I wonder where they got these numbers from.
The average of all ten [fields owned by Brian Holmes -JBR] fields was 1247 ppm which is in the "Very High" range of the above published Aluminum Rating.
The typical range of aluminum in soils may be from 1 percent to 30 percent on a worldwide basis with naturally occurring concentrations varying greatly.
I wonder how you can judge that they were at the same altitude in the beginning, because that part of the flight is not in the video. They may have been on different levels and later adjusted their altitude to fly in formation.Chemzy McTrails said:Oh and use your damned eyes if you are wondering about physical proof. Two jets. Same altitide. Leaving different trails.
Foryou chemtrail believers out there, 1247 ppm equals .1247 %, that is a smidgen over one thent of one percent, so when Holmes says, "The typical range of aluminum may be from 1-30%", yet HIS OWN SOIL is less than one percent and he says it was "Very High"?
Ratings for % Aluminum
Good (G) 0-1%
Marginal (M) 1-2%
Moderately Phyto-Toxic (MT) 2-3%
Phyto-Toxic (T) 3-5%
Severely Phyto-Toxic (ST) 5+%
Aluminum toxicity (greater
than 400 ppm.) attacks the root cap reducing the secretion of mucilage and disrupting both the cytoplasmic
calcium and the calcium in the mucilage.
Common Range (ppm or mg/kg) 10,000 - 300,000
Average Concentration (ppm or mg/kg) 71,000
- [Broken External Image]:[URL]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/368986_1018731440_926026748_q.jpgKelli Antichemtrail Haarp[/URL] its always good to know the other side-it makes our learning, understanding and ability to discredit stronger. So is this a group or someone posting on here???11 hours ago
- Chemtrails Project Kelli Antichemtrail Haarp, they have a website for contrails science; they come to this board often in hidden Orwellian-esque personas. They do not come here to discuss, only discredit. But your right, it does help sharpen the angles!"
Wow, I know Mick and I used our "Orwellian-esque" real names when we discussed sampling methods. Not sure who else he is refering to.
How can a question discredit? Only the answer to the question can. Of course Chemtrails Project never actually answered the critical questions.
Where are the lab results?
What are your sampling methods?
Do you filter rainwater samples?
What is your result criterion?
How do you link your results to contrails left by planes?
no filter, not left out overnight, collected from uncovered area.
- [h=6]Chemtrails Project
[/h][h=6]New Rainwater Results from San Francisco:
Strontium: 8 ug/l
Barium: 4 ug/l
**Note: Low levels detected, much lower than other regions, but one thing remains constant: strontium / barium and no aluminum. This, once again, rules out "soil contamination" as aluminum is the most abundant metal in soil (so it would have to be detected as well, if this were soil contamination).**[/h]Share · 2 minutes ago ·
Chemtraills or High atmospheric geo-engineering IS ADMITTED MY MULTIPLE FORMS OF GOVERNMENT!
So they claim the wind wasn't right and the labs are crooked. Couldn't be that those planes were actually spraying nothing?
- Justin Laubscher Nice, normal rain results from SF!15 hours ago
- [Broken External Image]:[URL]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186463_1186401772_958020342_q.jpg[/URL]Kelly Daugherty I am amazed at these test results with all the spraying they do in San Francisco. They spray almost everyday14 hours ago · 1
- Lisa Schurman @kelly - me too. maybe the wind is blowing the 'chemicals' further inland. i'm visiting southern utah and they have been spraying here for 4 days straight! i'd like to see what the levels are here. the sacramento and san joaquin counties get a lot of spraying too.12 hours ago
- [Broken External Image]:[URL]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186463_1186401772_958020342_q.jpg[/URL]Kelly Daugherty I have read that some of the labs are not testing correctly or may be dishonest.12 hours ago
The problem with this is that it is clear from his original post that they never analyzed for aluminum because he never mentions the results. Here he is making a false conclusion (no dust contamination) based on the analysis of one element.
- Chemtrails Project
RE-POST: From 12/06....give you an idea of how high the strontium has tested (with no aluminum).
Rainwater "highlight" from Redding, CA: Strontium: 820 ug/l From our consulted retired USDA scientist: "Having strontium in the rain is....artificial absolutely". Seems our friends may have flipped from aluminum to strontium which is more reflective, and much more expensive. Your tax dollars, hard at work.
"To exchange one orthodoxy for another is not necessarily an advance. The enemy is the gramophone mind, whether or not one agrees with the record that is being played at the moment. [...] If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
Yes, we test aluminum for ALL samples (aluminum, barium and strontium).
Rainwater "highlight" from Redding, CA: Strontium: 820 ug/l. From our consulted retired USDA scientist: "Having strontium in the rain is....artificial absolutely".*
Strontium is widely distributed in the earth’s crust and oceans. Strontium is released into the atmosphere
primarily as a result of natural sources, such as entrainment of dust particles and resuspension of soil.
Strontium present in the atmosphere is in the form of wet or dry aerosols. The principal chemical species
in the air is strontium oxide (SrO). Strontium oxide will react rapidly in the presence of moisture to form
Sr+2 and SrOH+ ions. Strontium is dispersed by atmospheric cycling and is subsequently deposited by wet
deposition on the earth’s surface. In surface water and groundwater, strontium exists primarily as a
The mean concentration of strontium in U.S. surface water is <1 mg/L. Dissolved strontium has been detected in groundwater and surface water used for drinking water supplies with average concentrations of 0.81 and 1.1 mg/L, respectively
Presumably "Chemtrails Project" is reading this thread,
hey man. got a good sample that i will be sending out in the next few days. luckily it rained hard today. i used a couple of other jars too to get more water and swirled them nice and good before dumping them into the test jar. looking forward to seeing what we got.
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John Whyte Actually, try to only collect the mist rainfall, and only in the sample container, and then seal and ship! When it passes thru other "non-approved containers" it can get corrupted
10 hours ago
Mike Williams well crap, its too late for that, as i didnt have enough for the sample, as it wasnt 1/3 full. but, the other containers were glass and were cleaned well and air dried before i used them, and sealed until time for use.
about an hour ago
John Whyte That should be fine then, no worries!
38 minutes ago
Mike Williams ok, great, thanks!
27 minutes ago
- Diana Sunshine Wulf #1 Nebraska has no clouds unless CHEMTRAILS have been sprayed...2 years at least now11 hours ago · Like
- Diana Sunshine Wulf #2 MANY countries have used geo engineering of the weather for years11 hours ago · Like
- Diana Sunshine Wulf #3 Exposing Monsanto11 hours ago · Like
- Diana Sunshine Wulf what type of proof do you need...do your eyes not work?11 hours ago · Like
- Diana Sunshine Wulf http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v1/n1/full/nclimate1068.html11 hours ago · Like
- Andrea Smith Blocking the UV rays, causing low Vitamin D Levels which causes cancer...10 hours ago · Like
- [Broken External Image]:[URL]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41708_649115200_689545024_q.jpg[/URL]Desmond Oldershaw Diana, great paper you found there. http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v1/n1/full/nclimate1068.html
It really explains how jet contrails form and how long they can last. A couple points from the "Global radiative forcing from contrail cirrus" article.
"Contrail cirrus initially form behind cruising aircraft as line-shaped contrails and transform into cirrus-like clouds or cloud clusters in favourable meteorological conditions, occasionally covering large horizontal areas5, 6, 7. They have been tracked for up to 17h in satellite observations"Global radiative forcing from contrail cirrus : Nature Climate Change : Nature Publishing Group
www.nature.comAviation is known to affect climate by changing cloudiness, but the magnitude of...See More
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- [Broken External Image]:[URL]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41708_649115200_689545024_q.jpg[/URL]Desmond Oldershaw Another good part of the article.
""Contrail cirrus are composed of ice crystals that—similarly to natural cirrus—reflect solar short-wave radiation and trap outgoing long-wave radiation11. For fixed ambient conditions, their radiative effect is mainly determined by their coverage and optical depth12. Contrail cirrus form and persist in air that is ice-saturated13, 14, whereas natural cirrus often require high ice supersaturation to form15. This implies that in a substantial fraction of the upper troposphere, contrail cirrus can persist in supersaturated air that is cloud-free16, 17, thus increasing high cloud coverage1, 11, 18""2 seconds ago · Like
- [Broken External Image]:[URL]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41708_649115200_689545024_q.jpg[/URL]Desmond Oldershaw Did you even read this article Diana? While the formation of artificial cirrus clouds is a concern for global warming, it certainly is not a deliberate Geo-engineering plot. Great article though, thanks!2 seconds ago · Like
FYI to admin, "Paul Williams" is with Contrail Science and is taking screenshots of your conversations with him and mocking you on their board.
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1,000,000 Against ChemTrails do you have a link?
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1,000,000 Against ChemTrails ahahaha!!! thanks for the tip! caught you cagey little trolls and moles! time to ban some sneaky little idiots that would rather let their own kids die of respiratory illness, cancer of morgellons! fucking idiots!
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Kris Tal Silver-Nephthys Knutson What patriot, rebel, or activist doesn't get mocked? Let them mock One day they will go "damn they were right"
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John Whyte I just had to clean out my board, Chemtrails Project. You will notice the previous 40 messages on that thread are about us. They appreciated my message to them this AM, posted on my board and they put it on that thread too
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1,000,000 Against ChemTrails fucking dikheds!
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Todd Thompson Those guys just go from page to page for the purpose of mocking others. They are all pseudo scientists and wanna be pilots. Not a very impressive bunch.
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Todd Thompson I read that whole board yesterday....whew....they are busy at metaBS.....the cool thing is that it gave me a bunch of new stuff to look at that I hadn't seen before and I am more convinced than ever that geo-engineering IS a multi-national, co-operative program that IS being withheld from the public. If you haven't read the interview with "deep shield" you will definitely want to....keep in mind that this guy died of a mysterious suicide not long after doing the interviews.
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Todd Thompson http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/shieldproject.html
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John Whyte Todd, interesting read for sure. tks for the share!
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Some of the chemtrail believers have come to notice the correlation between trails/cirrus clouds and weather. That correlation being that over-running moisture ahead of an approaching storm system often results in natural cirrus clouds and persistent contrail formation. So weather does often follow contrail days. Unfortunately they conclude (as instructed by the HAARP hoaxers that pointed them to chemtrails and chemclouds in the first place) that the cirrus clouds and contrails that precede an approaching weather front are artificial and are causing the weather in concert with HAARP. I've been banned from numerous youtube channels for attempting to explain a bit of meteorology to people.#1 Nebraska has no clouds unless CHEMTRAILS have been sprayed...2 years at least now11 hours ago
John Whyte, giving advice about collection methods in the post above, is "Chemtrails Project".
John, if you read this (and I can't address you directly since you banned me for asking about your collection process), we really are just regular folk who like aviation and science. I think your project is a great attempt to bring some scientific rigor to the chemtrail theory - but it has some problems. All that people here are doing is pointing out the issues that will be raised if you ever want to use this study as evidence. I, and I presume the others here, would be happy to discuss this with you, so you can hammer your evidence into shape.
I'm sorry that you see it as mocking. It's not. It's pointing out scientific errors. Sometimes those errors seem so great that people are a little incredulous, even amused, at the magnitude of the errors. I'm sorry if that upset people. I know that can derail a conversation, and it's something I try to avoid.
Again, these are just issues of science that you will have to face eventually if you ever want to convince anyone other than people who already believe.
I invite you to join an open conversation.
But, they react to questions, in the same way the religiously devout do when their dogma is questioned. They think that questioning with an skeptical viewpoint, is mocking.
I think there is a posting of an actual test report at FB ChemPro.
The resolution is not good but with some effort it may be readable.
Strontium is a natural occurring white to yellow colored alkaline earth metal. It is the fifteenth most abundant element in the earth’s crust. Strontium was first discovered in 1787 in the lead mines of Scotland near a town called Strontian. Strontium compounds have been used in industry since its discovery for a variety of uses. Strontium alloys have been used in the automobile industry. Strontium has been combined with other compounds to give off a brilliant red color in fireworks. Strontium is a common element in certain magnets. Strontium has been added to commercial paints and is used a glaze in the pottery industry. Strontium has been used in several toothpaste brands. A ten percent strontium compound has been used for sensitive teeth.
A two gram dose of strontium ranelate liberates 680 milligrams of elemental ionic strontium.This is the most common dose used in the scientific studies used to show the improvements in bone density. Medical researchers believe that other forms of strontium compounds such as strontium citrate in the same dose are as effective as the prescription drug. Strontium citrate readily dissociates into ionic strontium in the digestive system and is absorbed into the bloodstream and made available to bones for uptake and utilization.
SrCl2 is useful in reducing tooth sensitivity by forming a barrier over microscopic tubules in the dentin containing nerve endings that have become exposed by gum recession. Known in the US as Elecol and Sensodyne, these products are called "strontium chloride toothpastes", although most now use potassium nitrate instead which works as a nerve calming agent rather than a barrier.