Discussions with chemtrailers on facebook

[Tim TheToolman Coles]

Well, after a sunday of facebook debating, I got banned from "Chemtrails Kill" (Roxy Lopez) group. Russ Tanner was particularly insistent about banning me. He's also trying to get me banned from the "Chemtrails" group.

Here's his contributions to the conversation over a 30 minute period:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/40556352568/permalink/10151006914272569/

Russ Tanner Mick west is a shill and should be banned immediately. Do not tolerate disinformation in your groups.
Russ Tanner over $100 million has been allocated in the U.S. for people to create fake identities (or real ones) and spread disinformation: http://urlbam.com/ha/M003u
DON'T TOLERATE SHILLS.
Russ Tanner Coosfoos Coos is also a supporting shill. I do hope the admins of this group ban shills. They cause discord and confusion. Do not give shills a voice.
Russ Tanner I request that the people in this group contact the admins and ask them to ban all shills. Do not let them have a voice here or anywhere.
Russ Tanner Ban Mick West and Coosfoos Coos. Please don't let shills invade and have a voice in legitimate chemtrails forums.
Russ Tanner‎ Suzanne Holmes is exactly right. They are both shills. Don't feed them. Don't waste your time arguing with them. Simply ask the admins to ban them immediately.
Russ Tanner Click on "6328 members" in the upper right. Then click "All Members" In the list that drops down, select "Admins". Those 2 people are the admins. Message them and ask them to remove shills from their group.
Russ Tanner Thanks for making my point. Disinformation and discord. Slandering members. Raising arguments. Ban shills. Do not give them a voice.
Russ Tanner I just hope the people in this group wake up to the disinformation that is being spread here. It's not like TV because I am personally suffering from chemtrails and many other are along with me, and disinformationalists are trying to convince the public to accept the poisoning that is going on.
Disinformationalists are murderous liars and will be found out and lawfully prosecuted because under law, aiding and abetting crimes are the same as performing them. If you study history, you will learn that disinformationalists are among the first to fall out of favor with their employers because they are recognized as a liability... Shill would do well for themselves to learn this quickly and get out of the disinformation business.
Russ Tanner All plumes - long or short - are chemtrails. Contrails are a con to attempt to convince the public that they are harmless so the public will allow the illegal poisoning to continue. My account of the day I saw the trail changed from long to short: http://urlbam.com/ha/M003p

Unfortunately he ignored all the actual scientific discussion.

This is Classic Cult Like behavior in order to control thought within the group. Free thinking is not allowed. Any presentation that might get some of the Cult followers thinking on their own , against the collective must be tightly controlled. I have seen this often. Keep up the good work, all of you. I have been told by many that we are helping folks. We may not see it much, but some are thankful for helping them to wake up to the lies.....

I have been in many of these chemtrail groups. Many under different names, and almost all of them have nearly every single one of these traits. Almost all. These traits are common among cults.
Cult Traits:

1. The most basic feature of the thought reform environment, the psychological current upon which all else depends, is the control of human communication.

2. The control of human communication through environment control.

3. Potential convert is convinced of the higher purpose within the special group.

4. Everyone is manipulating everyone, under the belief that it advances the "ultimate purpose."

5. People mistakenly attribute their experiences to common causes when, in fact, they are concocted by human beings.

6. The experiential world is sharply divided into the pure and the impure, into the absolutely good and the absolutely evil. The good and the pure are of course those ideas, feelings, and actions which are consistent with the totalist ideology and policy; anything else is apt to be relegated to the bad and the impure. Nothing human is immune from the flood of stern moral judgements.

7. The cult advances the idea that the cult's laws, rules and regulations are absolute and, therefore, to be followed automatically.

8. The group's belief is that their dogma is absolutely scientific and morally true.

9. No alternative viewpoint is allowed.

10. No questioning of the dogma is permitted.

11. The cult invents a new vocabulary, giving well-known words special new meanings, making them into trite clichés. The clichés become "ultimate terms", either "god terms", representative of ultimate good, or "devil terms", representative of ultimate evil. Totalist language, then, is repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon, prematurely abstract, highly categorical, relentlessly judging, and to anyone but its most devoted advocate, deadly dull: the language of non-thought. "Chemtrails", "Chembows", "Shills", "Dis-Info Agents"etc..

12. Controlling words helps to control people's thoughts.

13. The group uses black-or-white thinking and thought-terminating clichés.

14. The special words constrict rather than expand human understanding.

15. Non-members cannot simply comprehend what cult members are talking about.

16. Doctrine over Person Another characteristic feature of ideological totalism: the subordination of human experience to the claims of doctrine.

17. Past experience and values are invalid if they conflict with the new cult morality.

18. Past historical events are retrospectively altered, wholly rewritten, or ignored to make them consistent with doctrinal logic.

19. No matter what a person experiences, it is belief in the dogma which is important.

20. Group belief supersedes individual conscience and integrity.

21. The group has an elitist world view — a sharp line is drawn by cult between those who have been saved, chosen, etc. (the cult members) and those who are lost, in the dark, etc. (the rest of the world). "The un-awakened"

22. Former members are seen as "weak, " "lost," "evil," and "the enemy". "Those who decided they do not believe by researching themselves"

23. The cult insists that there is no legitimate alternative to membership in the cult.


"There is only one truth" and the cults truth is it.

http://www.thenetteam.net/cult3.html

 

[PCWilliams]

... just the suggestion that something may be wrong or nefarious will cause some people to suddenly start noticing things that that they once were oblivious too. Even though it is perfectly normal. I have also run these experiments on folks that I assume like most of the population rarely if ever look up in the sky, and for most of their life have not. It is amazing to see how people are easily manipulated into believing things. Shockingly so at times.

This reminds me of an email i received recently from somebody i highly respect. He basically made the allegation we have been taught all our lives the moon is gray when, in fact, it has color - this is a conspiracy!!!

As evidence for his conspiracy he sent me to this youtube video. It's a long video, but i have the link set up to take you to the 30 second mark. This is where the overall theory is setup for the viewer. You need only watch a minute or two to get the gist:

http://youtu.be/O6ggirhnTm4?t=30s

It's all crazy talk. He says, "Astronomers say there's no color on the moon" (2:46),"People who don't like my video are astronomers. They don't like the color. They think the color doesn't exist." (3:00).

As you say, just the suggestion to some people that something may be wrong or different about something they haven't paid any attention to prior to the suggestion, can send them into a conspiratorial spiral. I guess it all hinges on whether the person is prone to such conspiratorial thinking.

Anyway, i showed him many moon photos taken in color and i showed him my open picture of the moon with the color saturation turned up a bit. Didn't mean to get off subject.

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[Gunguy45]

Well gosh PC...it's obvious from the pic that the northern hemisphere has lots of water and forests...maybe farmland....while the southern is pretty much like my yard...sand and dust.

 

[SR1419]

This reminds me of an email i received recently from somebody i highly respect. He basically made the allegation we have been taught all our lives the moon is gray when, in fact, it has color - this is a conspiracy!!!

Maybe he should read interviews and/or talk to people who have actually been there??

 

[GregMc]

A considerable focus of the Apollo 17 mission was the discovery of small patches of orange coloured soil in shorty crater by geologist Harrison Schmidt, caused by volcanic activity in the distant past. Quite a bit of the interest of the mission other than the racing moon-rover was the colour of soil found. Again the memory issue arises of the public not paying attention to things. Ask a almost anyone what were the names of those astronauts, what did they do there, what did they find and one would probably be met with blank stares. Ask anyone how many apollo astronauts walked on the moon and I suspect you will get blank stares too.
Nasa tried hard to make the mission interesting to the public jaded by the Vietnam war. Ironic that Schmidt and Nasa made an effort to get folks interested in the colours found yet someone can easily claim a conspiracy to keep colour a secret!
http://www.astronautix.com/flights/apollo17.htm

 

[Rawley]

I was posting on Roxy's page also, along with Tim the Toolman. I was banned from her page and a few other pages. I was also reported to Facebook, I presume, because I was informed by Facebook that my account was frozen and I would not be able to add any friends for 30 days. I have backed off from posting anything on any of their pages, I just get banned, and I don't want to be reported for posting porn or something. These people are truly sick.

 

[JRBids]

Help wanted!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PilotWanted/

Pilot wanted to obtain an Aerial Sample of what's known as a Chemtrail (by public description), which would allow for testing to prove or disprove the existence of Aluminum, Strontium and Barium is or isn't being sprayed upon the population Globally.

Chemtrail Geoengineering Lawsuit on Facebook has many test results of Hair, Blood, Urine, Air, Soil and Rainwater... However, for the Lawsuit to proceed as needed, the group needs an Aerial Sample to tie what's in the body and environment around us all, is a direct result of Aerial Spraying.

Are you a Pilot? Got Balls? Want to be the one whom would be known for either Officially Debunking or Officially Proving Geoengineering is at play? Now's your chance!

We seek not only Pilots, but also people who may be able and willing to fund, donate to and/or support this endeavor.

It's high time we join together and set the record straight once and for all. Do you have what it takes? Got Balls?

PILOTS: Your identity may be public or private... Totally up to you. Let's do this!!

 

[Unregistered]

Ah I wish I can help. I'm a pilot, though I'm not yet type rated for something that can breach 28,000 ft . There are also logistical problems to such endeavors, due to the fact that you have to fly in Class A controlled airspace and you have to trail a plane via instrument flight rules (though I'm sure when it comes down to it, prior arrangements with an associated aviation authority and ATC can be made?). An aircraft would also have to be modified to collect such samples.

I'd be game given the tools though

 

[Tim TheToolman Coles]

Help wanted!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PilotWanted/

Pilot wanted to obtain an Aerial Sample of what's known as a Chemtrail (by public description), which would allow for testing to prove or disprove the existence of Aluminum, Strontium and Barium is or isn't being sprayed upon the population Globally.

Chemtrail Geoengineering Lawsuit on Facebook has many test results of Hair, Blood, Urine, Air, Soil and Rainwater... However, for the Lawsuit to proceed as needed, the group needs an Aerial Sample to tie what's in the body and environment around us all, is a direct result of Aerial Spraying.

Are you a Pilot? Got Balls? Want to be the one whom would be known for either Officially Debunking or Officially Proving Geoengineering is at play? Now's your chance!

We seek not only Pilots, but also people who may be able and willing to fund, donate to and/or support this endeavor.

It's high time we join together and set the record straight once and for all. Do you have what it takes? Got Balls?

PILOTS: Your identity may be public or private... Totally up to you. Let's do this!!

These test have already been done many times in Atmospheric research. Including persistent contrails that lasted for hours just to examine the size and make up of the molecules. They are freely available on the internet and their results are fully explained in many scientific papers. So read them.
Oh, and the truth, and the facts, and the "record" will be set straight very soon.........Be ready to except it...... That will be the challenge.

 

[SR1419]

They do not need a pilot- just enough money to hire one...(if they want their "own" they also need a plane equipped with the proper instruments to take the samples)

why not just hire these folks:

http://www.weathermodification.com/aircraft.php

 

[JRBids]

They do not need a pilot- just enough money to hire one...(if they want their "own" they also need a plane equipped with the proper instruments to take the samples)

why not just hire these folks:

http://www.weathermodification.com/aircraft.php

I'm sure they want their pilots the way they want their attorneys: free.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

My friend Goldrush, whose husband owned a P-51 Mustang, offered to fly them for free a dozen years ago.
No takers.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000056.html

 

[scombrid]

Sample the cabin air from a commercial flight that passes through contrails. I flew from Chicago to Florida in the late afternoon on August 12. Flew through and over a clipper type system that was pin-wheeling around a big upper level low pressure system. We climbed through a thick layer of cirrus and contrail cirrus. The plane I was on was also laying a very thick trail. I photographed our shadow on clouds below us. Whatever is in those trails is going to get into the cabin.

First photo is facing forward. Didn't show well in picture but the silhouette of the plane was visible at the start of the trail. Second photo is looking aft as much as possible and the trail had to be quite thick to create such a shadow. Commercial flights create trails and intersect the trails from other planes quite commonly. In the last month I've flown round trip to San Francisco, Providence, and Chicago. Of six legs, only one did not encounter contrails at some point during the flight.

 

[GregMc]

I sent a personal message to the bloke who runs that page explaining he has easy access to approx 80,000 sampling runs per day from commercial passenger jets via the normal cabin pressurisation system.
He's a film/tv rigger so hopefully has a slight practical bent and might be able to think the issue through and come to his senses.

 

[JRBids]

"things are starting to take off here!" If having 8 members = "taking off". Dedicated to debunking the debunkers.

"Humanity against "constrailscience.com" propaganda"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/124538297648403/

 

[Mick West]

Ross was being ironic there. Seeing as he's a poster on ContrailScience.com

 

[Tim TheToolman Coles]

Hmmm, I find it very obvious that these people who are against scientific facts, and other very important, accurate empirical data have somehow lost the ability to use logical deduction and scientific reasoning all together. Or they never had the ability to begin with. Not sure which. Many of them arguably believe that they are the skeptics because of their mistrust of anyone or anything that challenges their beliefs in pseudo-science and myth. They would rather choose to believe information gleaned from charlatans, and other believers on You Tube and other places on the net, that offer no proof of anything. Only conjecture, uncorrelated coincidences and wild theories.

I would highly suggest that some of them at least try and gain a basic understanding of proper logical processes and what logical fallacies are. It would be very helpful to those who wish to actually find truth in any subject. Do they teach these in school anymore? They used to back in my day.

Read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

This one is even better:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

I would also highly recommend these very easy to understand audio pod cast for those that wish to learn how to properly, and by example how NOT to investigate anything. These two podcast are very good, and should be understood easily by most folks. Obviously some who are too far gone into the "Cult" atmosphere will discount immediately at their own peril, but I thought I would at least try and help those that need it.

A Magical Journey through the Land of Logical Fallacies - Part 1
http://ec.libsyn.com/p/f/d/c/fdc0c0...1ce3dae902ea1d01cc8131d4cd5cb703&c_id=1312238

A Magical Journey through the Land of Logical Fallacies - Part 2
http://llnw.libsyn.com/p/f/9/c/f9c2...id=1312220&h=bbe042f6553db9660ac31a986f279f5e

Anyhow, maybe a few will read and gain some actual knowledge of the correct investigative process, and what not to fall prey to. Hope a few take advantage of the opportunity to learn very important lessons in the difference between "empirical" worthy evidence, and anecdotal evidence, which is not normally important or relevant, unless it takes you to actual "evidentiary" proof.