Debunked: Boston Marathon Bombing: Karen Brassards "Lack of injuries"

[UNdebunkable]

Your calf is not just the rear of your leg. It's a large muscle which has exposure on the sides and front.

Bend down. Feel the shin bone on your right leg. There's a ridge in the middle of the leg, then a flat surface to the left. To the right of the ridge is calf muscle. Technically the anterior calf. See here:

LOOK AGAIN.......Front AND back view of the left leg. How can look yourself in the mirror and claim that leg is damaged???

 

[Mick West]

And if you are going to make claims about her injuries, please quote them, and supply a link to the original quote.

 

[Mick West]

View attachment 5554 LOOK AGAIN.......Front AND back view of the left leg. How can look yourself in the mirror and claim that leg is damaged???

The front view just shows a dark region. Her leg is bleeding. What more evidence would you expect?

Again, quote the description of her wounds.

 

[Mick West]

 

[Josh Heuer]

Are her injuries consistent with those of someone who requires crutches 86 days later? I've always wondered that...she seems to be walking fine after the attacks, even minutes later.

 

[Mick West]

Are her injuries consistent with those of someone who requires crutches 86 days later? I've always wondered that...she seems to be walking fine after the attacks, even minutes later.

Where is she seen walking?

And surgery can take a lot of time to heal. You can rip your ACL, and be able to walk fairly normally, but then need six weeks with crutches after surgery to repair your ACL. Obviously it varies a lot.

 

[UNdebunkable]

***from Mick West****
"The blast sent a pipe-like piece of the bomb into her ankle. "It was nickel-sized, hollow, and it was protruding about an inch out," Karen says. After doctors removed it at Boston Medical Center, an FBI agent dropped it into an evidence bag. She also had a three-inch piece of the device embedded in her right shin; doctors sliced both sides of her leg to extract it. They removed a section of a healthy tendon to repair a damaged one. There have been complications, and she was back in the hospital twice last week.
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Doctors have sewn up a quarter-size hole in Karen Brassard's left ankle, where the shrapnel went in. "The ankle's very swollen and painful. My right leg, the shrapnel went in, and the muscles are all just inflamed, everything's inflamed, and swollen, and I have now those, I have the original hole from the shrapnel and I have now the two incisions."

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Again. If you want to make a claim about an injury, then quote the description of the injury.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...thon-outing/Iv5n9XtPutxcAyYySa9KHO/story.html



http://www.gofundme.com/Brassard-Fund

Are her injuries consistent with those of someone who requires crutches 86 days later? I've always wondered that...she seems to be walking fine after the attacks, even minutes later.

Where is she seen walking?

And surgery can take a lot of time to heal. You can rip your ACL, and be able to walk fairly normally, but then need six weeks with crutches after surgery to repair your ACL. Obviously it varies a lot.

At 7:27 of this video you see Karen Brassard on the far right walking just fine, and if you keep watching you will see her JOGGING towards the white tented area (7:53 center of screen). She speed walks over 100 yards in this video....Why no wheelchair? why no Gurney? She has no problems speed walking with a supposed 1 inch pipe jammed in her ankle. No limp, no pain, no display of any discomfort what so ever.

 

[Buildy]

Are her injuries consistent with those of someone who requires crutches 86 days later? I've always wondered that...she seems to be walking fine after the attacks, even minutes later.

When I blew my MCL 8 years ago, I could walk pain free most of that afternoon, mostly running on adrenaline, in my opinion. Pain set in that evening, and I was unable to walk or even put weight on my leg that night and the following days.

 

[Mick West]

And how again are the photos inconsistent with the description.

She has a badly bleeding wound in her right front calf.

You can't see the left ankle.

And again, crutches are used for recovery from operations.

 

[hemi]

Are her injuries consistent with those of someone who requires crutches 86 days later? I've always wondered that...she seems to be walking fine after the attacks, even minutes later.

As the article points out...

They removed a section of a healthy tendon to repair a damaged one. There have been complications, and she was back in the hospital twice last week.

So, the operation may have actually made things worse, in the short term, at least.

And as @Buildy points out above, people can often function fine in the immediate aftermath of an injury. I strained a calf muscle a couple of days ago playing football. Managed to finish playing the game, walked back to work, and then, four hours later when I went to stand up, could not even unbend my leg to walk. Still hobbling now.

 

[MikeC]

Now you're just making things up. An overhead shot of nothing.

Only "now"??

 

[deirdre]

not to mention in post #44 closeup theres blood in her left shoe as well. so she got some shrapnel in her legs, big deal. her husband is bleeding to death and the adrenaline is pumping.

 

[Bruno D.]

OMG.

Look at that guy shoes!! Who uses something like that? I'm sure he is reptilian, he's not even trying to hide!

 

[David Fraser]

This thread is not about some man you saw. I see lots of people too. This about the lack of blood on a fat calf that is pressed into jeans. Do not distract and attempt to avoid. Address whats at hand. How do you get 2 wounds in both calves and not bleed? or leave ANY damage to the jeans themselves???

You seem to be answering your own questions. No one can make a definitive call on no damage to the jeans based on these photos. What sort of hole are you expecting? Surely that is dependant on the shape and angle of the shrapnel, so iit could be a small, almost surgical, tear or a big hole. Get some jeans and experiment. Also penetration wounds can occur without ripping clothing as skin tends to be weaker than many fabrics. Again try some experimentation.

As to the bleeding issue I think you have solved it yourself with "fat calf that is pressed into jeans". The lady certainly has an ample behind which may be restricting blood flow. Also as a generalisation blood flow through the legs is relatively poor when stood up and is very reliant on muscular action e.g. walking. Have you ever seen an amusing video of a soldier passing out while stood to attention for a prolonged length? Its due to poor circulation. Take into account those 2 factors in conjunction with the fact that the edges of a penetrating wound will constrict it may definitely be a while before blood will flow. Again experiment is the key..

 

[deirdre]

The lady certainly has an ample behind which may be restricting blood flow.

 

[Soulfly]

Where in any of these pictures do you see a 1 inch pipe protruding an inch below her left calf? Please post a pic of this injury as I have not found one. Also, where do you see a shrapnel wound in the left Calf? her jeans are untouched. The blood spot you have no choice but to cling to, is easily explained. She spilled it on her. Look at her right hand. She just dumpe a handfull on the ground next her husbands head. REGARDLESS, the lack of damage in the calves, you cannot ignore that

So she has blood on her hands and there is blood on there ground therefore she spilled the blood on the ground?

 

[Soulfly]

How do you hold onto a hand full of blood?

 

[Melbury's Brick]

View attachment 5554 LOOK AGAIN.......Front AND back view of the left leg. How can look yourself in the mirror and claim that leg is damaged???

The left picture is corrupted by movement and and shadow. it's impossible to say that the darkened area on the left leg is not blood. the right picture is of the rear of the legs and therefore irrelevant.

so your attemtping to say she rolled up her jeans before the blast so the shrapnel and pipe wouldnt tear her clothes? Or do you believe shrapnel was "teleported" into her legs?

What position was her leg in when the blast happened?
How do we know the legs of her jeans were rolled down to the top of her shoes at the moment of detonation?

As usual the video creator has concocted a scenario in his head that suits his agenda, which assumes that she was standing with both legs on the ground. If Karen's foot was raised in a walking position the shrapnel could travel up the leg rather than through the fabric especially if it had ricocheted. Likewise if she was in the act of hitching up her jeans or scratching her leg or had one leg raised up on something the flesh could be exposed. And even then you provide no evidence that the jeans are not damaged, anyway. Furthermore puncture wounds may not bleed much and if a foreign oblect is present it may take some movement to promote bleeding.

http://www.healthcommunities.com/common-injuries/types-of-injury.shtml

some puncture wounds may bleed only slightly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_injury

At times the propelled object may become embedded in the body, obstructing the loss of blood to the outside

 

[Melbury's Brick]

Where in any of these pictures do you see a 1 inch pipe protruding an inch below her left calf? Please post a pic of this injury as I have not found one. Also, where do you see a shrapnel wound in the left Calf? her jeans are untouched. The blood spot you have no choice but to cling to, is easily explained. She spilled it on her. Look at her right hand. She just dumpe a handfull on the ground next her husbands head. REGARDLESS, the lack of damage in the calves, you cannot ignore that

It's already been pointed out that the calf can be damaged from front or back.

Is there any evidence in the original video that she "dumped" blood? Do you believe that this collection of non time stamped still photographs categorically show that the blood did not come from another source other than some imaginary bag in her hand?

This video is nonsense. A poorly constructed attempt to support a ridiculous theory.

 

[Soulfly]

Why are her jeans not torn? not covered in blood?

I see blood clearly on the right picture, right calf. As pointed out high velocity projectiles don't need to tear/rip clothing to penetrate it. Bullets don't. This should be marked as debunked and then moved to Rambles.

 

[Mick West]

I'm marking this as debunked. The blood is consistent with the description of the injuries.

Edited to the OP to reflect material in the thread.

 

[Bruno D.]

View attachment 5554 LOOK AGAIN.......Front AND back view of the left leg. How can look yourself in the mirror and claim that leg is damaged???

Do you know two-faces? From batman?

If you saw a photo from his right side, you would never say that he had so much skin damage from an acid accident.

And if you had a dark, blurry picture of his left side, you still wouldn't be able to see the skin damage.

That's what you have here: a two-faces leg.

What you are doing here (and the guy at the video) is:
- I can't see blood in some pictures: she's an actress
- Now I can see blood: she's an actress who spilled blood at herself
- She is not limping: she's an actress, a bad one, who doesn't even know how to limp
- I can't see holes at the jeans: she's an actress and the costume design department did a poor job
- I see X-rays proving her wounds: she's an actress and so are the X-rays technicians, the nurses and the doctors.

Maybe, just maybe, the explanation is a little simpler, don't you think?

 

[Mick West]

James Costello, Ripped Clothes, discussion moved to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...n-bombing-james-costello-ripped-clothes.2959/

 

[qed]

This is an important debunk, since it goes a long way to debunking the entire conspiracy theory.

In the photo I see jeans soaked in blood in distinct areas. To my eye it looks like the blood soaked clothes I have experienced. Further, as @Mick West demonstrated, the position of the blood coincides with the reported injuries and xray.

• It is going to be hard to argue that some injuries were fake but others real.

 

[ColtCabana]

This is an important debunk, since it goes a long way to debunking the entire conspiracy theory.

It hasn't been thoroughly debunked already?

 

[David Fraser]

It hasn't been thoroughly debunked already?

of course it hasn't. People have been to the movies and they know how someone is supposed to act when injured or dying.

 

[Trailblazer]

I watch quite a bit of ski racing. At Beaver Creek last month Bode Miller had a nasty crash and the razor-sharp edge of his ski sliced a very deep gash into his calf. He skied down to the finish and you can clearly see here that there has been minimal blood loss. This screenshot is taken from the live broadcast I was watching.

Link here:

Here is a photo of the injured leg bandaged up. Again, for a cut of this size there is surprisingly little blood on his ski suit.

 

[Mick West]

Semtex-H digression split to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/se...ut-i-wont-tell-you-why-do-some-research.5909/

(The Skier with a cut leg post is duplicated in both threads as it's relevant here)

 

[BombDr]

of course it hasn't. People have been to the movies and they know how someone is supposed to act when injured or dying.

David makes a good point here - I find it a bit tedious when people make claims about injuries based upon photo analysis and viewing of movies. I have been shot and stabbed and have several shrapnel wounds and none of them were Hollywood-esque.

The shrapnel in my shoulder and chest weeped blood to start with like a shaving cut and only opened up with more vigorous movement on my part. The shrapnel plugged two of the wounds and I was running on adrenaline and as my ears were ringing I didn't really pay too much attention at first.

Also, there were people that were horrifically wounded at the same event, and my injuries were trivial by comparison, which is why I was ignored by the medics.

I'm not familiar with this woman's story other than what I read here, but I see nothing remotely suspicious and it is reasonable that she ignored her injuries out of concern for her husband and, in comparison to others, did not warrant immediate attention.

 

[RickSOG]

Brassard's x-ray

http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...thon-outing/Iv5n9XtPutxcAyYySa9KHO/story.html

The blast sent a pipe-like piece of the bomb into her ankle. "It was nickel-sized, hollow, and it was protruding about an inch out," Karen says. After doctors removed it at Boston Medical Center, an FBI agent dropped it into an evidence bag. She also had a three-inch piece of the device embedded in her right shin; doctors sliced both sides of her leg to extract it. They removed a section of a healthy tendon to repair a damaged one. There have been complications, and she was back in the hospital twice last week.

Doctors have sewn up a quarter-size hole in Karen Brassard's left ankle, where the shrapnel went in. "The ankle's very swollen and painful. My right leg, the shrapnel went in, and the muscles are all just inflamed, everything's inflamed, and swollen, and I have now those, I have the original hole from the shrapnel and I have now the two incisions."

There is 2 problems with the x ray, first there is no name on it to identify who the x ray belongs to, second there is no date on the x ray to say when it was taken or where it was taken? Correct or wrong? All my x rays have my name, date and place they were taken and a write up of the injury.

 

[Mick West]

There is 2 problems with the x ray, first there is no name on it to identify who the x ray belongs to, second there is no date on the x ray to say when it was taken or where it was taken? Correct or wrong?

It's quite clearly not the original image, it's a photo of part of the xray taken from a computer screen, if you zoom in, you can see the screen colored pixels, and a mouse cursor

It's probably this one, presumably taken with the iPhone off a computer screen, while she was in hospital.

http://nhpr.org/post/nh-family-injured-marathon-blasts-recovering-know-lives-are-changed

 

[RickSOG]

Where is the gore in this picture? That is ridiculous, I thought was going to join a sensible debate on this subject but you delete a picture with no gore a few leave the skier with gore picture? That's a bit hypocritical don't you think?

 

[Mick West]

This thread is about Brassards injuries, which is a large enough topic alone. Other people's injuries are off-topic

General discussion of standing with an injury moved to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/people-who-walk-and-stand-after-a-traumatic-leg-injury.5912/

Blood Discussion moved to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/how-much-blood-should-there-be.5913/