Debunked: Agenda 21, ICLEI, Sovereignty, UN, Depopulation

[jvnk08]

Wasnt Hilters eugenics it was the American progressives that started eugenics . After the eugenics movement was well established in the United States, it was spread to Germany. California eugenicists began producing literature promoting eugenics and sterilization and sending it overseas to German scientists and medical professionals. By 1933, California had subjected more people to forceful sterilization than all other U.S. states combined. The forced sterilization program engineered by the Nazis was partly inspired by California's].
The Rockefeller Foundation helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz. They say we can fit all the people in the world comfortably in Texas

You need to correct your links as they are broken.

There is no doubt that a few counties within the US have had forced sterilization programs a long, long time ago, but they're just that - in the past. VA just recently had hearings regarding reparation payments for them. Do you live in the US currently? Do you honestly think there is eugenics taking place today at the behest of UN Agenda 21?

 

[Mick West]

Overpopulationisamyth.com moved to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/1144-Debunked-OverpopulationIsAMyth-com-(Overpopulation-is-a-Myth)

 

[Joe]

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You need to correct your links as they are broken.

There is no doubt that a few counties within the US have had forced sterilization programs a long, long time ago, but they're just that - in the past. VA just recently had hearings regarding reparation payments for them. Do you live in the US currently? Do you honestly think there is eugenics taking place today at the behest of UN Agenda 21?

That was fromn wiki . Oregon is the only state where some sterlization is underway .Not forced of course but . Sure they are pushing abortions in many countries in africa and of course birth conrol . Which with the problems in Africa would seem to make sense . but who has the right ? There is a new form of eugenics coming called Transhumanization coming . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism . ​

 

[Oxymoron]

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That was fromn wiki . Oregon is the only state where some sterlization is underway .Not forced of course but . Sure they are pushing abortions in many countries in africa and of course birth conrol . Which with the problems in Africa would seem to make sense . but who has the right ? There is a new form of eugenics coming called Transhumanization coming . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism . ​

LOL... long term unemployment as grounds for sterilization. 'They', Banksters/politicians, (who create no wealth), create a world where they have 90% of the wealth, by stealing it from the workers, (who create wealth), and then get to demonise those who have been worst affected by their corruption and thefts.... Sounds about right mmmmm?

 

[Grieves]

It's true, forced sterilization hasn't occurred in the US since 1981, ancient days by the current pace of history. Convincing those suffering from addiction issues to get themselves sterilized for a couple of hundred bucks is alive and well, though.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1981916,00.html

 

[jvnk08]

It's true, forced sterilization hasn't occurred in the US since 1981, ancient days by the current pace of history. Convincing those suffering from addiction issues to get themselves sterilized for a couple of hundred bucks is alive and well, though.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1981916,00.html

Chavarria had the procedure done after meeting with Project Prevention, a North Carolina–based charity that gives drug addicts $300 if they go on long-term birth control or undergo sterilization. The aim of Barbara Harris, 57, the organization's controversial founder, is to prevent addicts from having children they can't care for and reduce the number of babies who are born exposed to drugs.

That doesn't sound that sinister to me. It's worth pointing out that they also seem to be offering contraception instead of sterilization. Regarding compulsory sterilization in the US, at last there are some reparation initiatives proposed/underway unlike some other countries where it is still a practice today.

LOL... long term unemployment as grounds for sterilization. 'They', Banksters/politicians, (who create no wealth), create a world where they have 90% of the wealth, by stealing it from the workers, (who create wealth), and then get to demonise those who have been worst affected by their corruption and thefts.... Sounds about right mmmmm?

That is a heavily glossed and uninformed generalization, but I get where you're coming from.

 

[Unregistered]

you might be interested to see this regarding Agenda 21

http://youtu.be/YyYNneRU2VM

 

[Mick West]

you might be interested to see this regarding Agenda 21

http://youtu.be/YyYNneRU2VM

Or we might not, seeing as it looks like a 13 minute informercial set to music? Is there a bullet-point summary somewhere?

 

[Soulfly]

This video is being claimed as proof that Agenda 21 is in progress. Please help me debunk this. Sorry if it has already been debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wESxr_jt9fs

 

[BlueCollarCritic]

This video is being claimed as proof that Agenda 21 is in progress. Please help me debunk this. Sorry if it has already been debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wESxr_jt9fs

@Soulfly

What are you trying to debunk exactly?

A) That the concerns expressed by the citizens of Danville CA in the referenced video are based on conspiracy theories and therefore bunk?

B) That the concerns expressed by the citizensof Danville CA in the referenced video are real but they are not in any way related to the UNs Agenda 21 program?

c) Something else altogether and if so please expain?


Thanks

 

[Soulfly]

@Soulfly

What are you trying to debunk exactly?

A) That the concerns expressed by the citizens of Danville CA in the referenced video are based on conspiracy theories and therefore bunk?

B) That the concerns expressed by the citizensof Danville CA in the referenced video are real but they are not in any way related to the UNs Agenda 21 program?

c) Something else altogether and if so please expain?


Thanks

Pretty sure B.

 

[Soulfly]

Sorry, it is probably something that cannot be debunked, simply because the person who believes it has a complete lack of the understanding of geoengineering or even what cloud seeding is. I invited him to the forum but I don't hold out, I was called a liberal in the first comment he directed to me, simply for using snopes to help my friend be aware of the fake Facebook memes telling people to change this or set your privacy to this so you can't be whatever. After I explained to him about the Facebook thing, he simply called me names and ranted about how I was drinking the fluoride and sucking on chemtrails. I hope he shows up.

I did warn him that he would need to be polite here!

 

[Pete Tar]

Ah, the old "go back to sleep and drink your fluoride and watch American Idol and believe everything the government tells you" debate tactic. It's a winner every time.

 

[Soulfly]

Ah, the old "go back to sleep and drink your fluoride and watch American Idol and believe everything the government tells you" debate tactic. It's a winner every time.

I just read his response to me inviting him to Metabunk on my friends FB. He said he is banned and doesn't want to post anon. LOL Sorry for the slight derail of the thread.

 

[Mick West]

I just read his response to me inviting him to Metabunk on my friends FB. He said he is banned and doesn't want to post anon. LOL Sorry for the slight derail of the thread.

Who is he? I'll unban him if he wants to come back and politely discuss things. There only five people on permanent ban (not bad for two years).

 

[Soulfly]

Who is he? I'll unban him if he wants to come back and politely discuss things. There only five people on permanent ban (not bad for two years).

His name is Tim Morrow, that is all I can give you since he is not my friend directly.



I'll ask him for the s/n

 

[Joe]

So its OK to teach Liberalism in School but not Conservatism when it comes to Agenda21 ? [h=1]Ohio School District Considers Adding Agenda 21 Conspiracy Theory, Creationism To Curriculum http://www.opposingviews.com/i/reli...-considers-adding-agenda-21-conspiracy-theory[/h]

 

[Lost World]

Or we might not, seeing as it looks like a 13 minute informercial set to music? Is there a bullet-point summary somewhere?

That's what gets me about a lot of these Youtube clips posted by conspiracy [enthusiasts]. There isn't really much to say. Very little evidence to present to back up their rather vague claims, so instead they just make videos of vaguely related news clips against a backdrop of hip hop or heavy metal and the ocassional image of a pyramid or the 'all seeing eye' another trait of these film makers is to add some commentary which is drowned out by the deafening and extremely annoying music.


I can't watch this particluar clip at work, but is it out of that mould? I've seen thousands of these short films and their purpose appears to be to get impressionable young people scared, angry or both.

 

[David Fraser]

I just noticed a link that Cloudspotter put up and it refers to a site that rabbits on about Agenda 21 and the NWO and population control. It has only been the past few months that I have noticed it been claimed as a conspiracy and one that I was shocked at. I first was introduced to the document around 2002 as part of a module for a masters degree. It really is quite innocuous and holds very little detail. As a framework it is a good piece of kit as it can be adopted at local to international level. As you say Mick it is voluntary and non binding, although some authorities share support and information. I feel sorry for the poor bugger that authored the thing (it is tedious and obvious in parts) as he must be Public Enemy Number One in some circles.

I find it sad that the chemtrail mob have jumped on it as to me this sort of work is what the UN is all about and ironically if every nation were to adopt the principles the prospect of geoengineering may never have to be an option. People like Max Bliss are on this particular bandwagon at the moment and that feeds into some of the anti-EU rhetoric at the moment in the UK. There are apparently going to be a few awareness meetings in August and I am hoping to attend with a shed load of stuff on aluminium but also my annotated copy of Agenda 21. I think Max will be in London which may be to far for me but I am hoping to get to Burnley, that centre of discord and dissent

 

[Dean Page]

From your first post on this thread Mick

Quote:"Agenda 21 is a big action plan by the world elite to usher in the technological grid. It is the implementation of "the beast" system. It is an artificial intelligence platform where all of our actions are being tracked in real-time by super computers in Belgium and in the U.S. These super computers are controlled by the National Security Agency (NSA).
They want to track all of our movements through "the chip." The chip is real."

Hmmm NSA now there's a thing

 

[Mick West]

So is Belgium. It does not make the claim any more real.

 

[Cairenn]

What "chip' are your referring to?

 

[Mick West]

The Obamacare chip:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-obamacare-rfid-chip-implant-law-hoax.497/

 

[Alhazred The Sane]

What "chip' are your referring to?

Or it could be the RFID tracking chip that everyone on the planet will end up having implanted under their skin by those evil sods in The Illuminuti. That was one of the big conspiracy chattering points less than a decade ago, although it seems to have gone a bit quiet now.

 

[dan theman]

Melissa Melton from Infowars did some research and interviews on Agenda 21.

 

[David Fraser]

Melissa Melton from Infowars did some research and interviews on Agenda 21.

Can you just bullet point Agenda 21 for me?

I am more interested in the insidious way the UN thinks it's a good idea to empower women in decision making. Or the awful way they wish indigenous peoples have more control over their native lands. Worse still is the sick ambition to allow children a voice and an education and to eliminate their poverty of expectation.

 

[dan theman]

The UN have been caught lying, therefore it would be foolish to take everything they say or write at face value. Although I would like to believe every move they make for the World is for the greater good, (which is what it appears if I read the Agenda 21 bullet points).

 

[David Fraser]

The UN have been caught lying, therefore it would be foolish to take everything they say or write at face value. Although I would like to believe every move they make for the World is for the greater good, (which is what it appears if I read the Agenda 21 bullet points).

Where have they been caught lying? Please clarify that for me.

 

[cosmic]

Melissa Melton from Infowars did some research and interviews on Agenda 21.

Did you spend any time fact-checking the claims made? As someone that's spent twenty years living in central Texas, the misrepresentations served up in the video are numerous and rather amusing.

 

[Solastalgia]

Thanks for covering this Mick, and great job on the JRE podcast! I've had quite a few debates with people that are utterly convinced that Agenda 21 is a potential threat to America... Interestingly, one of the people that I've gotten into it with about this is Jan Irvin. He was a friend of Joe Rogan and actually went onto the podcast once, which can be found here. He runs a site called GnosticMedia.com which consists of his podcast, a re-publishing of John Allegro's Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, and in general covers his own research which frequently features psychedelic history & counterculture conspiracy. Now, he has found some interesting stuff on figures like R. Gordon Wasson who brought the magic mushroom to america in a famous Life Magazine feature. But, while some of Jan's research may be true, he always seems to draw a conclusion that all of his findings point towards an UN Agenda 21/Fourth World Wilderness world... Maybe you could cover the World Wilderness Conference fear mongering in this thread as well, Mick, since it's often connected to Agenda 21 conspiracy hustling.

Thanks again.

 

[solrey]

Thanks for covering this Mick, and great job on the JRE podcast! I've had quite a few debates with people that are utterly convinced that Agenda 21 is a potential threat to America... Interestingly, one of the people that I've gotten into it with about this is Jan Irvin. He was a friend of Joe Rogan and actually went onto the podcast once, which can be found here. He runs a site called GnosticMedia.com which consists of his podcast, a re-publishing of John Allegro's Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, and in general covers his own research which frequently features psychedelic history & counterculture conspiracy. Now, he has found some interesting stuff on figures like R. Gordon Wasson who brought the magic mushroom to america in a famous Life Magazine feature. But, while some of Jan's research may be true, he always seems to draw a conclusion that all of his findings point towards an UN Agenda 21/Fourth World Wilderness world... Maybe you could cover the World Wilderness Conference fear mongering in this thread as well, Mick, since it's often connected to Agenda 21 conspiracy hustling.

Thanks again.

When I first read the statement about Wasson "who brought the magic mushroom to America" it took me a minute to figure out what you meant because there are a lot of Psilocybe species native to North America. The result of Wasson's article, "Seeking the Magic Mushroom", being published in Life Magazine was to bring awareness of magic mushrooms to a wider mainstream audience. Is that what you meant?

 

[dan theman]

Where have they been caught lying? Please clarify that for me.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/afri...ikileaks_Exposes_UN_Eritrean_sanction_lies-0/

 

[dan theman]

Did you spend any time fact-checking the claims made? As someone that's spent twenty years living in central Texas, the misrepresentations served up in the video are numerous and rather amusing.

Which is particular did you find most amusing? Please clarify?

I don't have time to fact check it all, there's too much information there, but I like the fact that they went to an actual meeting and spoke with some key people, (I'm also not from Texas so I don't have great information about things going on in Texas).

 

[David Fraser]

http://english.pravda.ru/world/afri...ikileaks_Exposes_UN_Eritrean_sanction_lies-0/

you must have provided the wrong link, I can't see anything in Agenda 21

 

[dan theman]

I said: the UN have been caught lying, therefore it would be foolish to take everything they say or write at face value.

To trust a liar at face value is foolish.

I hope I don't have to repeat this again...

 

[David Fraser]

I said: the UN have been caught lying, therefore it would be foolish to take everything they say or write at face value.

To trust a liar at face value is foolish.

I hope I don't have to repeat this again...

Well I work in a sector were trust is implicit and I have yet to meet anyone who has never lied.

So let's break it down. What in Agenda 21 do you not trust or suspect , especially given that it has no mandate and is unenforceable.

 

[dan theman]

If someone could shed light on some proof of bunk in that video I posted, that would prove that they lie so I'll wait on cosmic's reply.

Thanks in advance.

 

[cosmic]

Which is particular did you find most amusing? Please clarify?

Austin in particular is a progressive city with an environmentally-conscious population; it's the land of solar-powered parking meters and electric car charging stations. The insinuation that the area has been "taken over" by some shadowy United Nations plot inflicting unwanted developmental restrictions on residents is not only unsupported -- it's ridiculous. There are many environmental restrictions in place to protect natural resources (e.g. the Lower Colorado River/Lake Travis, Edwards Aquifer) which have nothing to do with (and pre-date) "Agenda 21", and those of course received no mention.

Do you honestly believe these heavily-edited clips of public hearings and interviews somehow constitute evidence supporting the reporters' claims? Do you have any idea what the Hutto Thoroughfare is, let alone reason to think it's the product of some nefarious plot? Or the new Texas toll roads for that matter?

We're encouraged to believe by the video's producers that this is part of "an agenda to destroy humanity"... and that guy from the University of Texas has Democratic Socialist leanings (oh no!), and his dad worked for the CIA! Scaremonger much?

Are we really to believe that ordinary cases of urban planning and development (in high-tech areas with double-digit long term population growth) can't be explained by anything but a vast conspiracy?

I don't have time to fact check it all, there's too much information there, but I like the fact that they went to an actual meeting and spoke with some key people, (I'm also not from Texas so I don't have great information things going on in Texas).

Do you think their presentation is objective? If so, why? Is there any reason you accept its content at face value?

 

[David Fraser]

Austin in particular is a progressive city with an environmentally-conscious population; it's the land of solar-powered parking meters and electric car charging stations. The insinuation that the area has been "taken over" by some shadowy United Nations plot inflicting unwanted developmental restrictions on residents is not only unsupported -- it's ridiculous. There are many environmental restrictions in place to protect natural resources (e.g. the Lower Colorado River/Lake Travis, Edwards Aquifer) which have nothing to do with (and pre-date) "Agenda 21", and those of course received no mention.

Do you honestly believe these heavily-edited clips of public hearings and interviews somehow constitute evidence supporting the reporters' claims? Do you have any idea what the Hutto Thoroughfare is, let alone reason to think it's the product of some nefarious plot? Or the new Texas toll roads for that matter?

We're encouraged to believe by the video's producers that this is part of "an agenda to destroy humanity"... and that guy from the University of Texas has Democratic Socialist leanings (oh no!), and his dad worked for the CIA! Scaremonger much?

Are we really to believe that ordinary cases of urban planning and development (in high-tech areas with double-digit long term population growth) can't be explained by anything but a vast conspiracy?



Do you think their presentation is objective? If so, why? Is there any reason you accept its content at face value?

Do you think the issue with some commentators is that Agenda 21 has some socialist and egalitarian ideals?

 

[cosmic]

Do you think the issue with some commentators is that Agenda 21 has some socialist and egalitarian ideals?

That, or anything that could remotely be perceived as "European", which is horrible and terrifying by default to many American conservative elements (example).