Debunked: Agenda 21, ICLEI, Sovereignty, UN, Depopulation

[NoParty]

The UN have been caught lying, therefore it would be foolish to take everything they say or write at face value. Although I would like to believe every move they make for the World is for the greater good, (which is what it appears if I read the Agenda 21 bullet points).

So you've never "been caught lying?" Seriously. And once you admit you have, we shouldn't listen to you?

But seriously, I made it through 7 and a half minutes of that video and didn't hear anything that was
even good fodder for a conspiracy theorist.

And, although I have no idea what "lie' you are claiming the U.N. got "caught" in, you aren't seriously
going to argue that InfoWars has a decent (never mind 'good') track record with the truth, are you?

I have my issues with the U.N., but I can hardly imagine a world in which InfoWars is the preferred bastion
of truth compared to anyone…

 

[Jeremy Janson]

"In reality the actual effects of Agenda 21 in the US over the last 22 years seem to have been almost zero"

I'm sorry but that is basically complete nonsense. The effect of Agenda 21 on West Coast states in particular has been nearly suffocating, and led to the near extinction of California's middle class. Any truth in the statement is of a meaningless technical kind stemming from the fact that documents like Agenda 21 were already in existence. The following links are all great examples of REAL EFFECTS of Agenda 21. Many of them are laws, projects or actions now in place, mostly as actions of State or Local Governments as per A21's own instructions, others discussion of the overall effect of policy:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=36.70A
http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/
https://beltline.org/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/09/30/2679151/coal-exports-washington/

 

[WeedWhacker]

"In reality the actual effects of Agenda 21 in the US over the last 22 years seem to have been almost zero"

I'm sorry but that is basically complete nonsense. The effect of Agenda 21 on West Coast states in particular has been nearly suffocating, and led to the near extinction of California's middle class. Any truth in the statement is of a meaningless technical kind stemming from the fact that documents like Agenda 21 were already in existence. The following links are all great examples of REAL EFFECTS of Agenda 21. Many of them are laws, projects or actions now in place, mostly as actions of State or Local Governments as per A21's own instructions, others discussion of the overall effect of policy:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=36.70A
http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/
https://beltline.org/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/09/30/2679151/coal-exports-washington/

None of those four links have anything at all to do with the debunked nonsense of "Agenda 21" as it is presented by conspiracy theorists.

HERE is the actual description of "Agenda 21":

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development. It is a product of the UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels. The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st Century. It has been affirmed and modified at subsequent UN conferences.

Source

Structure and Contents:

Agenda 21 is a 300-page document divided into 40 chapters that have been grouped into 4 sections:

• Section I: Social and Economic Dimensions is directed toward combating poverty, especially in developing countries, changing consumption patterns, promoting health, achieving a more sustainable population, and sustainable settlement in decision making.

• Section II: Conservation and Management of Resources for Development Includes atmospheric protection, combating deforestation, protecting fragile environments, conservation of biological diversity (biodiversity), control of pollution and the management of biotechnology, and radioactive wastes.

• Section III: Strengthening the Role of Major Groups includes the roles of children and youth, women, NGOs, local authorities, business and industry, and workers; and strengthening the role of indigenous peoples, their communities, and farmers.

• Section IV: Means of Implementation: implementation includes science, technology transfer, education, international institutions and financial mechanisms.

That's it.....non-binding, really just a "wish-list" for (hopefully) making a better World for everyone, going forward.

NO "conspiracy"....it's not a conspiracy when the reality, the goals, and every detail is made completely public, is it?

 

[Trigger Hippie]

What exactly is wrong with the Agenda 21 guidelines?

People have been discussing sustainability prior to 1992. Agenda 21 seems to be a framework that encapsulates and summarizes what governing bodies and private organizations have been talking about all along. We simply can't keep expanding and consuming at current rates. Period.

Is every act of environmental conservation now an Agenda 21 plot? Is teaching school children about deforestation a UN conspiracy to control their minds?

@Jeremy Janson , Please read the posting guidelines. Specifically the parts about focused discussions on claims of evidence. Claiming Agenda 21 caused the eradication of the middle class just seems to be a topic that is too broad in scope.

 

[Joe]

"In reality the actual effects of Agenda 21 in the US over the last 22 years seem to have been almost zero"

I'm sorry but that is basically complete nonsense. The effect of Agenda 21 on West Coast states in particular has been nearly suffocating, and led to the near extinction of California's middle class. Any truth in the statement is of a meaningless technical kind stemming from the fact that documents like Agenda 21 were already in existence. The following links are all great examples of REAL EFFECTS of Agenda 21. Many of them are laws, projects or actions now in place, mostly as actions of State or Local Governments as per A21's own instructions, others discussion of the overall effect of policy:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=36.70A
http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/
https://beltline.org/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/09/30/2679151/coal-exports-washington/

It is nonsense . Its part of a long term plan . Sure non binding . So is the Torah , Bible or the Koran but many live by it and follow it . Its called Seven50 around here . We defeated it but they are still implementing everything anyway . http://seven50.org/

 

[WeedWhacker]

Its called Seven50 around here .

Wow! A hope for perhaps a better community and living conditions for everyone, in the future. Just by working cooperatively together!

How vile! And "evil"!

 

[Joe]

Wow! A hope for perhaps a better community and living conditions for everyone, in the future. Just by working cooperatively together!

How vile! And "evil"!

cooperatively together? Sure its going to change people so we all get along and work together in the fantasy world of the liberal mind UTOPIA

 

[WeedWhacker]

cooperatively together? Sure its going to change people so we all get along and work together in the fantasy world of the liberal mind UTOPIA

Sorry, but I still cannot understand the problem, here? Exactly what is "liberal mind UTOPIA"?

Isn't "Libertarianism" a form of Liberalism, after all? Honest question.

Also....I try to imagine a future when Humanity have no petty conflicts, and evolve above such needs for passive-aggressiveness and personal greed. A society where each individual is appreciated equally, without pre-conceived biases.

 

[SR1419]

cooperatively together? Sure its going to change people so we all get along and work together in the fantasy world of the liberal mind UTOPIA

You have a point, Joe...some people are so curmudgeonly stubborn that they can't see the forest through the trees...they just kneejerk into old paradigms of "everybody out to get me" and "change is bad" and if it helps the environment it must be bad for people. They just want to stake their claim to their patch and tell everyone else to eff-off.... and the rest of the World will suffer for their limited perspective.

 

[Joe]

You have a point, Joe...some people are so curmudgeonly stubborn that they can't see the forest through the trees...they just kneejerk into old paradigms of "everybody out to get me" and "change is bad" and if it helps the environment it must be bad for people. They just want to stake their claim to their patch and tell everyone else to eff-off.... and the rest of the World will suffer for their limited perspective.

Sounds like most of the people on the Planet . "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose " ( the more things change, the more they stay the same)

 

[WeedWhacker]

"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose " ( the more things change, the more they stay the same)

But, it doesn't have to be that way. There is less and less room (in future) for such egotism and selfishness.

(And yes, I have a passable knowledge of French. High School level, seulement en peu).

 

[David Fraser]

cooperatively together? Sure its going to change people so we all get along and work together in the fantasy world of the liberal mind UTOPIA

I don't understand your point or issue Joe. Is not a World were we work together for the betterment of "mankind" a good thing?

To cut to the chase your posts often have a very anti-Socialist feel. I am a Socialist, always have been always will be, but true Socialism does not inflict your views on others. Ironically I am in the UK and we constantly complain about the French been on strike ;-)

End of the day, should we not work together?

 

[WeedWhacker]

End of the day, should we not work together?

Which, from my reading of "Agenda 21", is its basic premise.

I dunno....maybe as a long-time 'Star Trek' fan (back from TOS, in 1966), some may laugh at me and call me "naive" (or a "nerd"), but...
Gene ("The Great Bird of the Galaxy") Roddenberry's idyllic vision is something, I think, that Humans should aspire towards.

BTW, "working together" is how ancient hominids who eventually evolved into we Homo Sapien Sapien managed to survive, for all those thousands of generations.

 

[Joe]

I don't understand your point or issue Joe. Is not a World were we work together for the betterment of "mankind" a good thing?

To cut to the chase your posts often have a very anti-Socialist feel. I am a Socialist, always have been always will be, but true Socialism does not inflict your views on others. Ironically I am in the UK and we constantly complain about the French been on strike ;-)

End of the day, should we not work together?

Sure but If you take a look around you The world is in chaos . The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money . Plus is doesnt really exist , There are still are rich and powerful in the UK like the welfare Royal Family . Your still all just serfs to them . I am very anti socialist . Nothing personal . Socialism would only work if everyone had the same drive and productivity

 

[Joe]

Which, from my reading of "Agenda 21", is its basic premise.

I dunno....maybe as a long-time 'Star Trek' fan (back from TOS, in 1966), some may laugh at me and call me "naive" (or a "nerd"), but...
Gene ("The Great Bird of the Galaxy") Roddenberry's idyllic vision is something, I think, that Humans should aspire towards.

BTW, "working together" is how ancient hominids who eventually evolved into we Homo Sapien Sapien managed to survive, for all those thousands of generations.

well there wasnt billions of people either multiple religions and non religion . There wasnt a divide and conquer mentality either . Yes Id love to live in a Utopian Paradise but it aint coming anytime soon .

 

[cosmic]

None of those four links have anything at all to do with the debunked nonsense of "Agenda 21" as it is presented by conspiracy theorists.

That's an ongoing problem in this thread. People keep posting vague assertions or political ideology rather than focusing on specific claims, or claims of evidence.

I'm actually surprised it's remained open this long.

 

[Joe]

That's an ongoing problem in this thread. People keep posting vague assertions or political ideology rather than focusing on specific claims, or claims of evidence.

I'm actually surprised it's remained open this long.

Well Agenda 21 is all about socialism . A political ideology . So whats the problem ?

 

[WeedWhacker]

Well Agenda 21 is all about socialism .

I really must disagree with you there....politely, of course.

But first, I guess, we must both ("Universally"?) agree on the definition of "Socialism"? That would at least provide a baseline standard.

AND edit: This veers way off-topic. The thread Title is about "Agenda 21" as a means to "de-populate" the planet Earth.

it's been debunked.

New topic(s), new thread(s)?

 

[cosmic]

Well Agenda 21 is all about socialism . A political ideology . So whats the problem ?

As has been stated repeatedly, this isn't a political discussion forum. Claims of evidence were actually covered on the first page and a bit on the second. Since then the discussion has lacked focus, and people critical of the subject matter or those regurgitating conspiratorial notions consistently 1) do not provide evidence to substantiate their ideas, and 2) do not explain how and why those ideas are connected to or part of "Agenda 21".

(Remember the exchange in #131? Apparently nothing has changed.)

 

[Joe]

As has been stated repeatedly, this isn't a political discussion forum. Claims of evidence were actually covered on the first page and a bit on the second. Since then the discussion has lacked focus, and people critical of the subject matter or those regurgitating conspiratorial notions consistently 1) do not provide evidence to substantiate their ideas, and 2) do not explain how and why those ideas are connected to or part of "Agenda 21".

(Remember the exchange in #131? Apparently nothing has changed.)

Well it says Debunked ? What is debunked ? Agenda 21 ? ICLE ? They exist as a framework that is being followed . Youd have to be a naive to believe otherwise . They say Seven50 is in no way Agenda 21 or new Urbanism but its all the same . You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig . I call Bullshit on this whole Thread Being debunked . Im so glad all the Senior Members on Metabunk agree its debunked because us in the minority say its not . If you dont think that New Urbanism isnt Political it is just Socialism in sheeps clothing .

 

[cosmic]

Again, please post substance rather than speculation.

 

[Joe]

I really must disagree with you there....politely, of course.

But first, I guess, we must both ("Universally"?) agree on the definition of "Socialism"? That would at least provide a baseline standard.

AND edit: This veers way off-topic. The thread Title is about "Agenda 21" as a means to "de-populate" the planet Earth.

it's been debunked.

New topic(s), new thread(s)?

No it does not . This is from Micks first post

Through the less extreme conspiracy theories of the Tea Party:

http://myteapartychronicle.blogspot.com/2011/06/tea-party-onto-agenda-21.html

has nothing to do with the depopulation . Yet he calls it a conspiracy

Agenda 21. It is a political ideology being infused into every level of government in America. In short, it's a Marxist plan for global control of everything.. with the United Nations at the head of central planning.


Agenda 21 is comprised of 8 program topics. These are:

Agriculture

Biodiversity and Ecosystem Management

Education

Energy and Housing

Population

Public Health

Resources and Recycling

Transportation and Sustainable Economic Development

 

[Landru]

Well it says Debunked ? What is debunked ? Agenda 21 ? ICLE ? They exist as a framework that is being followed . Youd have to be a naive to believe otherwise . They say Seven50 is in no way Agenda 21 or new Urbanism but its all the same . You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig . I call Bullshit on this whole Thread Being debunked . Im so glad all the Senior Members on Metabunk agree its debunked because us in the minority say its not . If you dont think that New Urbanism isnt Political it is just Socialism in sheeps clothing .

What is debunked is clearly stated in the opening post. It exists but is not calling for depopulation, etc.

 

[Landru]

No it does not . This is from Micks first post

Through the less extreme conspiracy theories of the Tea Party:

http://myteapartychronicle.blogspot.com/2011/06/tea-party-onto-agenda-21.html

has nothing to do with the depopulation . Yet he calls it a conspiracy

Agenda 21. It is a political ideology being infused into every level of government in America. In short, it's a Marxist plan for global control of everything.. with the United Nations at the head of central planning.


Agenda 21 is comprised of 8 program topics. These are:

Agriculture

Biodiversity and Ecosystem Management

Education

Energy and Housing

Population

Public Health

Resources and Recycling

Transportation and Sustainable Economic Development

All of which are nonbinding.

 

[WeedWhacker]

No it does not . This is from Micks first post

Through the less extreme conspiracy theories of the Tea Party:

http://myteapartychronicle.blogspot.com/2011/06/tea-party-onto-agenda-21.html

has nothing to do with the depopulation . Yet he calls it a conspiracy

OK...firstly....(and my political side is showing) when I see "Tea Party", I immediately have a bias. Sorry, but I think even the Republican Party in the USA is beginning to notice.

Secondly, the link above is, again....just a bunch of hysteria over nothing....sorry. Doesn't really matter whether it came from a Democratic Party website, a Republican Party website, or a Tea Party website...the disinformation remains the same.

 

[Joe]

What is debunked is clearly stated in the opening post. It exists but is not calling for depopulation, etc.

Read above

 

[Joe]

All of which are nonbinding.

Again with the non binding crap that seems to mirror many cities in the US . It exist it is being implemented throughout the United States . Population control Is Planned Parenthood . http://www.america2050.org/

 

[Landru]

Again with the non binding crap that seems to mirror many cities in the US . It exist it is being implemented throughout the United States . Population control Is Planned Parenthood .

You're going to need some evidence to support this. Try to stay on topic.

 

[Joe]

OK...firstly....(and my political side is showing) when I see "Tea Party", I immediately have a bias. Sorry, but I think even the Republican Party in the USA is beginning to notice.

Secondly, the link above is, again....just a bunch of hysteria over nothing....sorry. Doesn't really matter whether it came from a Democratic Party website, a Republican Party website, or a Tea Party website...the disinformation remains the same.

Which is disinformation ? point that out ? The republican party is going to be eaten by the tea pary in the same way the democrats already have been consumed by the socialist . Its called Balance

 

[WeedWhacker]

The republican party is going to be eaten by the tea pary in the same way the democrats already have been consumed by the socialist . Its called Balance

Well OK. Strong conviction, and prediction.

Still, I completely disagree with your assessment. However, setting aside this convo.....it isn't really the topic, is it?

"Agenda 21" as a means to "de-populate" the Earth is thorougly debunked. This has been mis-used in ways to "rile up" people who only read headlines, and not the full text.

 

[Joe]

Well OK. Strong conviction, and prediction.

Still, I completely disagree with your assessment. However, setting aside this convo.....it isn't really the topic, is it?

"Agenda 21" as a means to "de-populate" the Earth is thorougly debunked. This has been mis-used in ways to "rile up" people who only read headlines, and not the full text.

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/one-world-one-vision-2050.html Its not the depopulation thing that most fear its the CONTROL ! Depopulation is as easy as WW3

 

[WeedWhacker]

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/one-world-one-vision-2050.html Its not the depopulation thing that most fear its the CONTROL ! Depopulation is as easy as WW3

Sorry again, but your link is....well, to a fear-mongering website.

No substance, at all.

 

[Joe]

Sorry again, but your link is....well, to a fear-mongering website.

No substance, at all.

Oh but she is a democrat try this then http://www.america2050.org/

 

[WeedWhacker]

Oh but she is a democrat try this then http://www.america2050.org/

Again, so what?

Anyone can find examples of ANY "party" who has made mistakes in his/her career as a politician.

I mean....sheesh!

 

[cosmic]

Oh but she is a democrat

Do you honestly think readers will be swayed by Rosa Koire's chosen political affiliation alone? What's truly important is whether or not her claims are properly substantiated by appropriate evidence. Facts are established by objectively examining available evidence, not viewing them through a filter of what you deem politically acceptable.

So, what steps have you taken to fact-check the content of the websites you've linked? What in particular do you consider compelling, relevant to the thread, and why?

Please reply with specifics.

 

[Robin Vanderpool]

I hesitate to participate here for several reasons .. First of all (pardon my shooting from the hip) Due to whats appears to be a mixture of normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance this so called 'debunking' site seeks to literally debunk everything ... for what could be the administrators and his friends purpose of debunking everything and convincing us that 'everything is okay, it's a false alarm' ... EVERYTHING IS NOT OKAY !. The United Nations has a Socialist agenda ... Gro Brutland and Maury Strong (names maybe misspelled) are hardcore socialist . Though I don't like the facts that the 1% is acquiring more of the wealth and the globalists are debasing the currency and an economic collapse ...when you really start to put the pieces (and believe me I debunk then debunk that) together ... on things like the Sandy Hook Hoax and the fact that Newtown Connecticut is an Agenda 21 (plaques all over town) and the Fake Boston Bombing and other farces ...in conjunction with the UN disRMAMENT treaties etc... The domestic army FEMA camps etc... It makes you wonder.
My point here .... do you just want to debunk everything ....9/11 for instance ....?? In my studies it is not a conspiracy theory ...it is so frakking obvious ...
Do you want to prove everything to be a stupid conspiracy to 1. Make yourself feel smart that you can debunk things regardless of the gravity of a situation .. 2. Are you a shadow government schill who is debunking as disinformation ... Do you value truth and warn Americans of real danger ...

I examine all angles as an interest and hobby ...yet have no fucking idea whats going on .... if you follow the $ trails and phenomena like the granite GEORGIA GUIDESTONES ($$$$) .... YOU HAVE A CRAZY PICTURE3 OF THE AMERICAN NIGHTMARE UNFOLDING.

Don't bother trying to debunk me ... I'm am an unbiased observer of it all ... this site seems to smear things in one direction ....everybody is a crazy conspiracy nut ...and you are the cognoscenti of sane and "forget those crazy theories" everything is fine. once again ...THINGS ARE NOT WELL .... THINGS ARE FALLING APART AND OUR LIBERTIES ARE A THING OF THE PAST ....

In all fairness: I need to search more subjects on this site ...and I will probably debunk what I just accused you of ...in which case ...I'll apologize ahead of time ...or be back in a bit to tell you ...this site is bunk .. Later ....

 

[Pete Tar]

My point here .... do you just want to debunk everything ....9/11 for instance ....?? In my studies it is not a conspiracy theory ...it is so frakking obvious ...
Do you want to prove everything to be a stupid conspiracy to 1. Make yourself feel smart that you can debunk things regardless of the gravity of a situation .. 2. Are you a shadow government schill who is debunking as disinformation ... Do you value truth and warn Americans of real danger ...

Mick's personal motivations (which many here share) can be found here
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/about-metabunk.1966/
and here
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/a-guide-to-debunking.1886/

...or be back in a bit to tell you ...this site is bunk .

You are encouraged to correct any facts that are in error here. Note 'facts' means provable concrete things, not general suspicions or interpretations of events.

 

[WeedWhacker]

I hesitate to participate here for several reasons .. First of all (pardon my shooting from the hip) Due to whats appears to be a mixture of normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance this so called 'debunking' site seeks to literally debunk everything ... for what could be the administrators and his friends purpose of debunking everything and convincing us that 'everything is okay, it's a false alarm' ... EVERYTHING IS NOT OKAY !. The United Nations has a Socialist agenda ... Gro Brutland and Maury Strong (names maybe misspelled) are hardcore socialist . Though I don't like the facts that the 1% is acquiring more of the wealth and the globalists are debasing the currency and an economic collapse ...when you really start to put the pieces (and believe me I debunk then debunk that) together ... on things like the Sandy Hook Hoax and the fact that Newtown Connecticut is an Agenda 21 (plaques all over town) and the Fake Boston Bombing and other farces ...in conjunction with the UN disRMAMENT treaties etc... The domestic army FEMA camps etc... It makes you wonder.
My point here .... do you just want to debunk everything ....9/11 for instance ....?? In my studies it is not a conspiracy theory ...it is so frakking obvious ...
Do you want to prove everything to be a stupid conspiracy to 1. Make yourself feel smart that you can debunk things regardless of the gravity of a situation .. 2. Are you a shadow government schill who is debunking as disinformation ... Do you value truth and warn Americans of real danger ...

I examine all angles as an interest and hobby ...yet have no fucking idea whats going on .... if you follow the $ trails and phenomena like the granite GEORGIA GUIDESTONES ($$$$) .... YOU HAVE A CRAZY PICTURE3 OF THE AMERICAN NIGHTMARE UNFOLDING.

Don't bother trying to debunk me ... I'm am an unbiased observer of it all ... this site seems to smear things in one direction ....everybody is a crazy conspiracy nut ...and you are the cognoscenti of sane and "forget those crazy theories" everything is fine. once again ...THINGS ARE NOT WELL .... THINGS ARE FALLING APART AND OUR LIBERTIES ARE A THING OF THE PAST ....

In all fairness: I need to search more subjects on this site ...and I will probably debunk what I just accused you of ...in which case ...I'll apologize ahead of time ...or be back in a bit to tell you ...this site is bunk .. Later ....

I'd suggest from this opening (?) post that you take a while to peruse, here, and (hopefully) realize that just within that block of sentences that I fully 'quoted' are a huge number of misconceptions. I do not need to address them individually (which would be a morass, and against the Posting Guidelines anyways).

Suffice to say, you seem to have been "taken up" in many of the current and modern "conspiracy theories" that exist via the Internet....and, it would behoove you to really slow down, and examine them more critically, rather than simply believing everything you read on-line.

 

[Jason]

My point here .... do you just want to debunk everything ....9/11 for instance ....?? In my studies it is not a conspiracy theory ...it is so frakking obvious ...

First off, its probably better if you didn't discuss every topic in one thread. It's easier to discuss one topic at a time. For instance; 9/11. What have you studied that makes you declare its blatantly obvious?

Do you want to prove everything to be a stupid conspiracy to 1

No one on this site, from what I can tell, is here to "prove" something is a conspiracy theory, quite the contrary actually. People associated with the site only want to discuss the facts, not speculation. It's in disecting the facts that either validates a theory or disproves a theory.

 

[Cbrian]

I try to look at things in terms of Constitutionality. For me the question is not is there a conspiracy, but rather is the proposal and its result Constitutional? If the U.N. is simply outlining what they believe to be a sound plan for sustainability, and is a purely voluntary proposition then there is no infringement of the Laws. However if the proposition in any way gives power over our Government, or our Government gives it power over our States, then it is unconstitutional.

I do find it ironic that some of these countries who participate in the U.N. demand something be done in the name of climate change, and they have yet to adopt pollution controls in their country.

Many people relate environmental causes to "hippy liberals", to win the war on pollution you have to convince them of the money savings, forcing them with laws that stop the sell of their light bulbs will only make them want to cut down trees in frustration. Explain to them the benefits of LED over Edison Style bulbs, cheaper electric bill, less changing of light bulbs, very little to no heat, and multiple light spectrum's and they will be more apt to listen. It takes time to educate, but resistance will take more time when you force the issue.