Aurora James Holmes Batman shootings, Conspiracy Theories

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Pt Arthur was definitely a set up, In time you will work out this guy was a patsy as well. Actually most people already have. Witnesses that survived Pt Arthur positively identified that Bryant wasnt the shooter. No witnesses were ever called to identify him or were called for a court case. He never had a court case but was sentenced to life and the Govt put a 30 year ban on anyone looking at the evidence. On the day his car arrived in the carpark, probably with Bryant drugged and in the trunk. That was the signal for the actual shooter to get up from a seat outside the store and go inside and start shooting. 19 of the first 20 people were killed in the store with single headshots fired from the hip and from the right hand side. Bryant was left handed. With the accuracy and speed with which people were killed the shooter was rated as one of the top 20 special forces shooters in the Western World at the time. Not bad for a man with an IQ of 66. The first person shot was a member of Asio, Australia's version of the CIA. Instead of saying dont shoot or oh fark before he was shot, he yelled out, "not in here" when he was shot and killed, very strange. It was like he knew the shooting was meant to happen somewhere else at the site and he was an insider there to witnesses it. Another Asio member with him in the store was shot and killed. Several CIA agents were also on the scene that day. The massacre occurred in a state that is an Island with a small population yet just before the massacre a refrigerated hearse large enough to hold 22 people was bought which was considered strange. After the massacre it was disposed of.

I was personally involved because a friend of mine was one of the people killed during this massacre so I'm not just sticking up for a crazy man. I would just like the real truth to come out and the right people put away. Unfortunately history shows that Governments do these things and get away with them all the time.
 

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What a load of rubbish.

no witnesses were called because he changed his plea to guilty - he did have a court case, and he was recalled as complaining about almost being hit by a car when he drove through the toll booth. Plenty of survivors identified him - but apparently that doesn't count because they didn't have to testify in court! the media also published a photo of Bryant shortly after het massacre, and this has led to some sites saying that any eyewitness testimony can't be relied on anyway because it is tainted.

the claims of outstanding marksmanship delibverately only ever tell part of hte story - they invariably forget that most of hte first 20 people kileld were shot at a range of only a few INCHES!!! People were killed with shots to the head and torso - the first 3 people were killed with single shots 2 of them were seated at the same table as Bryant in a small cafe - it did not need wonderful marksmanship! the 3rd person shot there had a scalp graze and was not killed! the 4th person shot was killed with 1 bullet to the back of the head. the 5th person shot was hit in the spine and neck, not the head. 2 people weer killed by a singel bullet that passed through the bodies of both - NOT their heads. 3 more people were shot in the back of their heads without ralising the shooting was happening - thinking it was something going on outside - the range was, lieterally, just inches - no great marksmanship skills required at all - they were not taking any evasive action.

2 more people were shot in the head at a range of about 2 metres after standing up and realising something was going on. other people were then shot in the body and head - one person was killed by a 2nd shot to the head after first being shot in the neck.

that grisly count alone shows that the claim that 19 of hte 20 people kiled were shot with single bullets to the head is a lie.

It was only "now" that people actually started running away!

Bryant blocked the entrance to the Cafe, and the only other exit was locked - these shootings in the 1st cafe are estimated to have taken about 15 seconds, and left 12 people dead and 10 wounded - not actually aprticualrly great marksmanship at all.

In the gift shop it was a simlar sad story - people were trapped and trying to hide - Bryant was able to shoot them from close range without any great marksmanship required. nonetheless of the first 2 kileld 1 was shot in the head, the otehr in the chest and arm. 2 more people were shot in the head, one ins hte buttock, one person was shot twice - the first to hand, chest and neck, the 2nd to his head proving fatal.

He then walked back to the cafe and found people still hiding there - he WALKED UP TO THEM and shot 3 of them in the head.

In approx 90-120 seconds he had fired 29 rounds, and killed 20 people, wounding another 12 - several of them with bullet fragments.

afte these shootings - all at point blank range - he missed a site employee at a range of between 50-100m, shot a bus driver in the back who later succumbed to the wound, shot another peson in teh thigh (survived), another in the side (died), and so on - anothe 4 people were killed and 6 injured in the car park.

He got into his car and drove off - but stopped a woman and her children who were runnign away - forced the woman to her knees - with a hand on her shoulder - and then shot her in the temple, shot one child in the shoulder and hten to teh chest with a 2nd killing her, missed the 2nd child hiding behind a tree but then walked up to her, placed the gun at the base of her neck and killed her.

One person got into an argumetn with Bryant at the toll booth - not knowing what was going on. Bryant pulled a FN-FAL from his booth and shot him ant point blank. teh next person killed was shot in the chest, and htre next 2 were dragged from their car and shot at point blank also.

Bryant fired 3 shots to kill a woman at the service station.

the attendant there grabbed his gun but by the time he loaded it Bruyant had driven off.

Bryant shot at passing vehicles from his moving car, injuring more people.

3 more people died in the house Bryant stayed at over night - all of them shot, one of them also bludgeoned, but all of them being killed in the fire that followed.

I am sorry for your loss, but I do not see it as an excuse for spreading ongoing lies and disinformation like this.
 
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you could read the article and find out.

But in case that is too much to ask - yere you go:

It gave the graduate student a $26,000 stipend and paid his tuition for the highly competitive neuroscience program at the University of Colorado in Denver. Holmes was one of six neuroscience students at the school to get the grant money.
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Stipends are usually lower than what would be expected as a permanent salary for similar work. This is because the stipend is complemented by other benefits such as accreditation, instruction, food, and/or accommodation. Universities usually refer to money paid to graduate students as a stipend, rather than as wages, to reflect complimentary benefits.

Works out to under $550 per week. Doesn't say when he started, ergo how long he had been on that salary/stipend but doesn't seem enough to fund what he amassed. Not saying he is not a nutter or 'anyone' put him up to it.

However, Project Ultra was pretty advanced and was very much about brainwashing people to be assassins. This is nothing new, it has gone on throughout history and is very effective. Suicide bombers are often brainwashed in this way and there are plenty of those in the Middle East. Strange how they don't bother attacking mainland U.S when it would be so easy.
 
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Brainwashing people to be assassins? Can you give a few examples?

There are many instances of it, virtually all modern suicide bombers. It isalso well recorded at least a thousand years ago. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabbah


From this point on his community and its branches spread throughout Iran and Syria and came to be called Hashshashin or Assassins, known as the Fedayin (Meaning 'The Martyrs', or 'Men Who Accept Death'), a mystery cult.

Within Alamut, Hasan built the legendary "Garden of Earthly Delights", which would play an important role in the initiatic rites of the Hashishins (also called the "Assassins").

The garden lay in a beautiful valley nestled between two high mountains. Here he had imported exotic plants, birds, and animals from all over the world. Surrounding the garden were luxurious palaces of marble and gold, decorated with beautiful paintings and fine silk furniture. Streams of milk, wine, and honey flowed throughout this earthly paradise, while fountains gushed with wine and pure spring water.

The initiate, after being knocked out by a powerful potion mixed with hashish, would be carried into the garden. When he awoke from his slumber, he would be greeted by a host beautiful teenage girls (houris), who sang and danced and played lovely instruments for him. As he drifted into an ecstatic daze, the girls would go to work on the initiate, giving him a full-body tongue massage, while one girl performed oral sex on him. Eventually, the bedazzled young man would climax into the girl's mouth "as softly and slowly and blissfully as a single snowflake falling." (Robert Anton Wilson, from Prometheus Rising) No wonder Hasan could demand absolute loyalty from his followers, no questions asked . . .

This was only a small part of Hasan's system, which was divided into seven degrees. The Hashishins combined both the exoteric (communicated, "God's Law") and esoteric (subjective, mystical) doctrines of Islam. Sabbah was a noted alchemist, and a student of Sufism, so part of the initiatic curriculum for the future Hashishins involved mastering occult methods for reaching higher planes of consciousness. Of course, they were also taught how to properly kill a man using poison or a dagger. Initiates were trained to learn multiple languages, as well as the dress and manners of merchants, monks and soldiers. Moreover, they were taught to fake beliefs and devotion to every major religion of that era. In this way, an Assassin could pretend to be anyone from a well-to-do merchant to a Sufi mystic, a Christian, or a common soldier.

The Hashishin Order was set up much like your traditional bureaucratic organization. At the top of the hierarchy sat Hasan, the Old Man of the Mountain, who preached absolute devotion to a transcendental God. Below him were the grand priories (enlightened mystics), the propagandists, and finally the fidais, who were the lowest ranking Hashishins. The fidais were self-sacrificers (called "the destroying angels") who were willing to commit any atrocity their master demanded of them, including suicide. They dressed in white tunics with red sashes: colours that represented innocence and blood.

As the Hashishins gained power and influence, the sultan of Persia grew agitated. He decided to send troops to storm Alamut, which, like the similar attack attempted by his vizier, was a pathetic failure. Hasan had the sultan poisoned, and after his death the kingdom of Persia split into warring factions, which made the Assassins the most cohesive and powerful group in Persia for many years.
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Hasan died in 1124, at the age of 90. Having killed his only two potential heirs, he appointed two of his generals to succeed him. One took over the mystical elements of the order, while the other controlled the military and political affairs. During this time the Seljuq Dynasty once again took control in Persia. The new sultan made a pact with the Assassins, whereby the Assassins were given autonomy in exchange for reducing their military forces.

The Hashishins persisted for over 100 years after Sabbah's death, but Alamut was finally sieged and conquered in 1256 by Halaku Khan, son of Ghengis Khan. His chief minister was ordered to write a complete history of the Assassins (based on the records in the Alamut library) and this is where most of the historical data about the order comes from
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http://www.iranian.com/History/Aug97/Sabbah/index.html

August 1997
The Iranian

From "A Study of Assassination," a training manual written by the CIA and distributed to agents and operatives of the agency's 1954 covert coup in Guatemala, which ousted the country's democratically-elected president. The manual, which was among some 1,400 pages of files on the operation that the agency released in May, was obtained by the National Security Archive, a public-interest group in Washington, D.C. The CIA claims it has destroyed nearly all files concerning the 1953 coup against the Mossadeq government.
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Very interesting, but I was really looking for examples of:

However, Project Ultra was pretty advanced and was very much about brainwashing people to be assassins.

i.e. Modern American assassin brainwashing, not something from 900 years ago.
 
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Very interesting, but I was really looking for examples of:



i.e. Modern American assassin brainwashing, not something from 900 years ago.

No doubt you have read the Wikipedia account, which is appalling, but does not mention much about assassins, (I'll include link anyway), but it clearly states much of the paperwork was destroyed deliberately as soon as there was danger of it coming out.

However, it does postulate that Sirhan Sirhan was an MKUltra candidate.

Also there is the very strange case of dear old GW Bush and Henry Lee Lucas, (note the use of all three names lol), which makes very interesting reading.

http://www.konformist.com/2000/henry.htm


"A U.S. Navy psychologist, who claims that the Office of Naval Intelligence had taken convicted murderers from military prisons, used behavior modification techniques on them, and then relocated them in American embassies throughout the world ... The Navy psychologist was Lt. Commander Thomas Narut of the U.S. Regional Medical Center in Naples, Italy. The information was divulged at an Oslo NATO conference of 120 psychologists from the eleven nation alliance ... The Navy provided all the funding necessary, according To Narut.

"Dr. Narut, in a question and answer session with reporters from many nations, revealed how the Navy was secretly programming large numbers of assassins. He said that the men he had worked with for the Navy were being prepared for commando-type operations, as well as covert operations in U.S. embassies worldwide. He described the men who went through his program as 'hit men and assassins' who could kill on command.

"Careful screening of the subjects was accomplished by Navy psychologists through the military records ... and many were convicted murderers serving military prison sentences."

(Harry V. Martin and David Caul "Mind Control, Napa Valley Sentinel, August-November 1991.)

Anyone familiar with the intelligence community's long-standing obsession with the concept of mind control will immediately recognize what Dr. Narut was describing as an MK-ULTRA project. The existence of this particular manifestation of the project was first reported by British journalist Peter Watson of the Sunday Times, who attended the conference and interviewed Dr. Narut. Narut told him that they looked for candidates who had shown a proclivity for violence.

This was at a time when numerous pseudo investigations of the intelligence community were underway, including the Rockefeller, Pike, and Church Committees. Narut told Watson that he was revealing this highly classified information only because he assumed it was about to surface anyway.

Is this the type of thing you were looking for?
 
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I also posted some other CIA assassin stuff on Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis Fed Sting thread by mistake, is it possible to move it over?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie

The Butcher of Lyon

Historians estimate that Barbie was directly responsible for the deaths of up to 14,000 people.[4][5] He arrested Jean Moulin, one of the highest-ranking members of the French Resistance and his most prominent enemy figure.

In April 1944, Barbie ordered the deportation to Auschwitz of a group of 44 Jewish children from an orphanage at Izieu. After his operations in Lyon, he rejoined the SIPO-SD of Lyon in Bruyeres-in-Vosges, where he led an anti-partisan attack in Rehaupal in September 1944.
US intelligence and Bolivia

After the war had ended, he was recruited by the Western Allies and worked for the British until 1947. After that, in 1947, Barbie was recruited as an agent for the 66th Detachment of the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC).[6] In 1951, he fled to Juan Peron's Argentina with the help of a ratline organized by U.S. intelligence services[7] and the Croatian Roman Catholic priest Krunoslav Draganović. When asked by Barbie why he helped such escapes, Draganović said, "We have to maintain a sort of moral reserve on which we can draw in the future."[8]

Barbie emigrated to Bolivia, where he lived under the alias Klaus Altmann. Testimony of the Italian insurgent Stefano Delle Chiaie before the Italian Parliamentary Commission on Terrorism suggests that Barbie took part in the "Cocaine Coup" of Luis García Meza Tejada, when the regime forced its way to power in Bolivia in 1980.[9]

In 1965 Barbie was recruited by the West German foreign intelligence agency Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) under the codename "Adler" (Eagle) and the registration number V-43118. He had excellent relations with high-ranking Bolivian officials and was known for his nationalist and anti-communist stance.[10] His initial monthly salary of 500 Deutsche Mark was transferred in May 1966 to an account of the Chartered Bank of London in San Francisco. During his stint with the BND, Barbie made at least 35 reports to the BND headquarters in Pullach.[11]
Che Guevara
See also: Ñancahuazú Guerrilla

Reviews of the 2007 documentary My Enemy's Enemy, directed by the British director Kevin Macdonald, note that it suggests Barbie helped the United States' CIA orchestrate the 1967 capture and execution in Bolivia of Che Guevara, a Marxist revolutionary who was active in Cuba and South America.[12] In 1966 a disguised Guevara had arrived in Bolivia to organize the overthrow of its military dictatorship. According to the film, the CIA used Barbie for his knowledge of counter-guerrilla warfare.[12]

Alvaro de Castro, a longtime confidant of Barbie, was interviewed for the film. He reportedly said:

"He (Barbie) met Major Shelton, the commander of the unit from the US. (Barbie) no doubt gave him advice on how to fight this guerrilla war. He used the expertise gained doing this kind of work in World War Two. They made the most of the fact that he had this experience."[12]

De Castro adds that Barbie "had little respect for Che Guevara."[12] In the film, the journalist Kai Hermann says, "He (Barbie) always boasted – though I cannot prove it – that it was he who devised the strategy for murdering Che Guevara."[12][13]

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/hrsp/archives/1983/08-02-83barbie-rpt.pdf

Assistant A ttomey General
1'1eI'i'1orandum to the Attorney General
US. Department of Justice
Criminal Division
WCJhinI10r.. D.C. 20530
.August 2, 1983
As the investigation of Klaus Barbie "has sho ... 'l1, officers
of the United States goverl1.l"Tlent ""ere directly responsible
for protecting a person wanted by the gover~~ent of France
on criminal charges and in arranging his escape from the
law,. As a direct result of that action, Klaus Barbie did
not stand trial in France in 1950; he spent 33 years as a
free man and a fugitive from justice, and the fact that he
is awaiting trial today in France is due entirely to the
persistence of the government of France and the coo"peration
of the present government of Bolivia.
It is true that the obstruction of efforts to apprehend
and extradite Barbie were not condoned in any official sense
by the United States government. But neither caD this episode
be considered as merely the unfortunate ac£ion of
renegade officers. They were acting within the scope of
their official duties. Their actions were taken not for
personal gain, or to shield them personally from liability
or discipline, but to protect what they believed to be the
interests of the United States Army and the United States
gover~~ent. Under these circumstances, whatever may be their
personal culpability, the United States government cannot
disclaim responsibility for their actions.
 
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Very interesting, but I was really looking for examples of:



i.e. Modern American assassin brainwashing, not something from 900 years ago.

This type of misuse of Erickonian Hypnosis is not hidden in fact, such misapplications make for prime time tv viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC9J6O6soHA

.. I just looked at your site today for the first time and immediately had my IP blocked? I was astonished and am a loss as to why, I make this first post through a proxy. Is it possible to have be unblocked, please? I haven't made any rude posts and would like to participate.
 

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I just looked at your site today for the first time and immediately had my IP blocked? I was astonished and am a loss as to why, I make this first post through a proxy. Is it possible to have be unblocked, please? I haven't made any rude posts and would like to participate.

This site is protected with Cloudflare which might have flagged your IP address for some reason. If you contact me with the IP address I can whitelist it
Contact: https://www.metabunk.org/sendmessage.php

(And I would suggest a malware scan, as this might be why CloudFlare is blocking you)
 
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Holmes was obviously drugged in court:


He was so drugged, he had people answering for him (almost as soon as the question was asked)
this was the last time we were able to see him in court! (Because it was so obvious he was being doped.)

Police officers on scene within 1 minute to 1.5 minutes and had apprehended him? They were sure he had acted alone after such a short period of time, and didn't stop and question the rest of people in the theater?

He was somehow able to shoot more than 1 person a second, even with his main gun jamming?

The theater was FULL OF PEOPLE IN BLACK COSTUMES, yet they're sure they have the guy? Eye-witnesses on the scene claimed "he wasn't alone" yet the police chief insists he was.

Other witnesses claimed he received a phone call and then went to the exit door (another indication of collaboration) yet the police are sure "he acted alone"?

Many of the eye-witnesses said the first police on the scene were dressed exactly like Holmes was allegedly dressed- even down to the gas-mask.



The detective (A man who was in New York on 9/11) won't answer the question: Are there cameras in those theaters? (There are).. and he hasn't released ANY of the police dash-cam footage from any of the responding vehicles.

Holmes is supposedly so smart he gets a federal grant to study Neuroscience.. and then he suddenly snaps and becomes a super-killer?

He wants to kill as many people as possible, then tells officers his apartment is rigged? That doesn't make sense.

No video shown by police of his rigged apartment being de-rigged? Nothing?

More likely he was framed by his employers. This guy isn't a killer, he's a science geek. He hadn't even been to a rifle range to practice shooting, EVER! His "online submission" could have been sent by anyone- The owner of the rifle range supposedly called the number "he" provided, only to never speak to Holmes and hear a "Strange voicemail message"- The number given to him was obviously not Holmes actual number, or he would answer. Who creates a "strange voicemail message" anyway?

Holmes didn't show up to the shooting range, because Holmes never applied to the shooting range and was being framed.

 
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Have you considered he might be crazy?

Certainly something I considered and I expect its an aspect most other people have considered as well. Haven't personally reached a conclusion on evidence available but think it looks pretty suspicious to me.

Fact is, rational people do not stick up en mass for murderers. Seriously 1.5 minute response time, 200 fully kitted out police? Instant arrest and 'no further suspects sought'?

Have you actually considered the possibility he has been set up?

Could this have anything to do with it?

An interesting connection has emerged with the recent Colorado ’Batman’ shooting. Alleged gunman James Holmes’ father is/was set to testify regarding the LIBOR banking scandals.

http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=20936
and
http://www.empowernetwork.com/jlsdoran/blog/89/

Much more info http://www.realistnews.net/Thread-c...her-was-scheduled-to-testify-in-libor-scandal

LinkedIn page for Robert Holmes now shows "Profile Not Found"
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a
 
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1.5 minutes from when exactly?

Well I wouldn't like to put words in a Police Chief's mouth, so I wouldn't rightly know.
Police Chief says hesitantly: "from our first call to".
Reporter interrupts: "how long from final blast"
Police Chief: " Again, we were on scene within a minute to a minute and a half and we immediately arrested the subject from the back of the theater".

TPTB are not making it easy for you to 'debunk' are they Mick.
 

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Well I wouldn't like to put words in a Police Chief's mouth, so I wouldn't rightly know.
Police Chief says hesitantly: "from our first call to".
Reporter interrupts: "how long from final blast"
Police Chief: " Again, we were on scene within a minute to a minute and a half and we immediately arrested the subject from the back of the theater".

TPTB are not making it easy for you to 'debunk' are they Mick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting


About 30 minutes into the film, police say, around 12:38 a.m.,[6] he re-entered the theater through the exit door [and started shooting]

The first phone calls to emergency services via 9-1-1 were made at 12:39 a.m. Police arrived within 90 seconds[18]


About 12:45 a.m., police apprehended Holmes[5] behind the cinema, next to his car, without resistance.
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That seems a perfectly reasonable timeline for police response in a town center. Obviously there would be several cars within a minute's drive. Listen to the audio starting a few seconds after the first 911 call:



The location is also ideally suited for rapid police response. Just off a freeway. There's a police sub station IN THE MALL, and the main Aurora police station is just a 0.5 mile drive away. Wide suburban streets empty of traffic because it's nearly 1AM. And of course they did not ALL show up in 90 seconds. That was just when the first cops arrived.




Source: http://goo.gl/maps/4KFaF
 
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Holmes is supposedly so smart he gets a federal grant to study Neuroscience.. and then he suddenly snaps and becomes a super-killer?

He wants to kill as many people as possible, then tells officers his apartment is rigged? That doesn't make sense.

Have you ever personally dealt with a bipolar person? If not, they're often very decent persons on the surface. Until something crosses them, most of the times relating to their sense of self-worth and insecurities. According to reports, things didn't go so well for the killer. If I'm not mistaken, he failed a major interview in may or june.

It's always important we don't project ourselves onto other persons when trying to understand their motives. If we're talking about someone with severe emotional/mental issues acting out, it almost always boils down to ego issues. It can include a sense of superiority, wanting revenge, and very often a compelling urge for recognition and attention. I disagree that his purpose was to kill people as an end in itself. To me it was one of the means of achieving his ulterior goal of pulling the spotlight at him. When he got arrested, it's possible he was showing off when telling the police about his booby traps. If you're familar with serial killers, you must know that some have a habit of wittingly leaving clues, messages that could lead to their identification. As time goes by, they tend to got bolder or sloppier depending on how you see it, because they think they're too smart for investigators. Maybe something similar went through his head. It could be that he saw the warning as an extra challenge to his smarts and wanted to see if he'd still get them to blow up the place despite the headstart.

Another possibility is he went through some kind of PTSD shock after the slaughter. It's also very possible he was under influence so this adds a new layer of stuff likely not to make perfect sense.

As for him being smart and snapping. Do you remember the female astronaut who drove across half of america in diapers to attempt to kill a rival?

No video shown by police of his rigged apartment being de-rigged? Nothing?

No video of supporters of the conspiracy theory showing the police didn't approach the house either.

More likely he was framed by his employers. This guy isn't a killer, he's a science geek. He hadn't even been to a rifle range to practice shooting, EVER! His "online submission" could have been sent by anyone- The owner of the rifle range supposedly called the number "he" provided, only to never speak to Holmes and hear a "Strange voicemail message"- The number given to him was obviously not Holmes actual number, or he would answer. Who creates a "strange voicemail message" anyway?

It would help answer your question if you tell us what was so strange about the message.

TPTB are not making it easy for you to 'debunk' are they Mick.

From a TPTB's point of view, how would you explain they didn't find a way to kill him during or after his arrest. Don't you think a trial and further inquiry would cause a great risk of the killer unconsciously letting tibits slip about the TPTB's scheme?
 

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It would help answer your question if you tell us what was so strange about the message.

There's a bit of info here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-freaky-answering-message.html#ixzz21RZrPnnw

The 24-year-old who killed 12 people and injured scores more when he opened fire at a midnight screening of 'The Dark Knight Rises' on Friday, applied for membership to the Lead Valley Range in Byers on June 25 but owner Glenn Rotkovich banned the man from the club after being unnerved by his 'incoherent, rambling' message.
'I called to see if he could come down for an orientation and I got his answering machine and the message was just bizarre, freaky,' Mr Rotkovich told MailOnline.
'I thought it was weird and strange. I called a couple more times and then decided not to call again because of the nature of his answering message.
'I gave my staff his name - James Holmes - and told everyone here to get me if he shows up at the range. I wanted to know who he was before we considered doing anything with him, let alone make him a member. He was flagged.'
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Mr Rotkovich said he initially thought the gunman was drunk on the answering message because he was slurring his words, but on subsequent listens realised the creepy voice was deliberate.
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'The message was guttural, spoken with a deep voice, incoherent and rambling,' he said.

'I could make out that he said his name was James but not a lot else. On first listen I thought he might have been drunk but after I'd heard it a few more times I realised it was deliberate. He meant it to sound that way.'
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Who leaves a strange message? A crazy person.
 

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It boggles the mind to see how that would even work. I mean they are still going to testify aren't they. (and is there even any evidence they were actually going to testify in the first place).

Can you imagine the conversation:

"Hey, all these people testifying is a problem, what can we do? These two in particular might say something embarassing, shall we just whack them?"
"No, let's first kidnap their son, then brainwash and drug them, then fake a mass murder, then drop the son at the scene and frame them, that will fix all out problems"
"Sounds good".

It's an insane suggestion. Any two random people are going to have any number of tenuous coincidental links.

But of course, you can't prove it isn't so.
 

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Or can you:

http://occupycorporatism.com/no-viable-connection-between-peter-lanza-us-senate-libor-hearings/

It seems the alternative media has been caught in purveying disinformation concerning the recent shootings in Connecticut, the father of one of the shooters, Peter Lanza and the London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR) scandal. In fact, research proves that Lanza has no ties to the LIBOR debacle, nor is there documentative evidence that Lanza is scheduled to testify at an up-coming hearing regarding the technocratic scheme.One alternative media source claims that: “Peter Lanza was scheduled to testify in the ongoing global LIBOR scandal. In what could only be described an amazing coincidence, the father of Colorado Batman shooter James Holmes, Robert Holmes, was also a LIBOR witness in his position with FICO.”
No citation links are provided to corroborate this assertion – simply the illusory connection is made which seems to be enough to shift an entire social meme and cause distraction from the actual factual evidence emerging about the shooting; as well as the implications of this event with regard to the 2nd Amendment.
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Started a separate thread on this:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/1015-Debunked-Lanza-Holmes-and-the-LIBOR-hearings
 
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Chuck

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Mick, your comments sound eerily similar to those you constantly spoof. Listen, I can't speculate as to what the motives may have been. If you debunk the potential of a conspiracy based upon what you believe are implausible motives, that in no way discredits the facts that surround the case. No serious investigator begins at the end and works backwards. You provide "proof" that Peter Lanza was not subpoenaed to testify and I've heard just the opposite from many sources. If it turns out that you are correct and Lanza is disconnected to Libor, then we can move on. But in my view, the verdict is still out on that.

What I do know is that there are some very strange coincidences. Do coincidences prove anything? We'll have to see when more info comes to light. But the fact that both Aurora (shown as a building sign) and Sandy Hook (shown as location on the map with finger pointing to it) both appeared in the Dark Knight Rises. Coincidence? Possibly. And the fact that, according to police recordings and eye witness testimony, others were involved, should cause one pause.

Mick, your mocking scenario is not the only plausible possibility. Some conjecture that this was a false flag attempt to heighten gun control advocacy. I'm not convinced one way or the other. I'm trying to remain open to the possibilities. I don't immediately dismiss these things as the fabrications of kooks, nor do I embrace them. For those who might want to remain open, I have enclosed the following videos.


 

Mick West

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Mick, your comments sound eerily similar to those you constantly spoof. Listen, I can't speculate as to what the motives may have been. If you debunk the potential of a conspiracy based upon what you believe are implausible motives, that in no way discredits the facts that surround the case. No serious investigator begins at the end and works backwards. You provide "proof" that Peter Lanza was not subpoenaed to testify and I've heard just the opposite from many sources. If it turns out that you are correct and Lanza is disconnected to Libor, then we can move on. But in my view, the verdict is still out on that.

What I do know is that there are some very strange coincidences. Do coincidences prove anything? We'll have to see when more info comes to light. But the fact that both Aurora (shown as a building sign) and Sandy Hook (shown as location on the map with finger pointing to it) both appeared in the Dark Knight Rises. Coincidence? Possibly. And the fact that, according to police recordings and eye witness testimony, others were involved, should cause one pause.

Mick, your mocking scenario is not the only plausible possibility. Some conjecture that this was a false flag attempt to heighten gun control advocacy. I'm not convinced one way or the other. I'm trying to remain open to the possibilities. I don't immediately dismiss these things as the fabrications of kooks, nor do I embrace them. For those who might want to remain open, I have enclosed the following videos.

My incredulity is on top of what is needed for debunking: a lack of evidence.

No, coincidences do not prove anything, and nor are they evidence.

Look, I can't prove it did not happen. I CAN point out there's no evidence. And really, I can't pretend that I even think it plausible. You really have to consider exactly how much it would take to pull off, and if that's really more likely than a nut with a gun.

We know that nuts with guns go and shoot people sometimes. Right? Would you at least agree that happens?
 

HappyMonday

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Here's tonight's effort, related to the post subject and some of the discussion -

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Slightly different set of claims evolving I think.
 

Mick West

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Here's tonight's effort, related to the post subject and some of the discussion -

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Slightly different set of claims evolving I think.

I don't think that Vanderbeek is really the equivalent of the Prime Minister of Australia. Here's part of Vanderbeek's position statement:
http://ccnviap.org/vanderbeek/
7. Global Carbon Taxes. The elites define carbon as a toxic waste. International climate treaties overturn the Constitution and make us subject to world government and taxation. In contrast, we humans are carbon based. Elites think of humans as a pollution! The opposite is truth. The earth is carbon starved. The earth was once greener. The purpose of carbon taxes is to promote population control through world starvation which is unnecessary. It is a sick plan by sick people. Carbon taxes have nothing to do with good stewardship of nature. I am not toxic waste.

8. False Flag Terrorism. Our government kills our own people so they can blame other nations to justify US military invasions of other nations to steal their natural resources. 911 needs a real investigation. Oklahoma City needs a real investigation. I will not be terrorized.

9. Vaccines. Vaccines are poisonous. They are a major cause of the autism epidemic. They are also part of the eugenics program for population reduction. I will not be given cancer.

10. Fluoride. People wonder why the prisoners in Nazi concentration camps never revolted. It is largely because fluoride was added to the food. Fluoride eats and sedates the brain. It makes people docile. We need to stop putting it in city water. This is part of the reason the American people seem like zombies and don't react to corruption in government. They literally are sedated.

11. Chemtrails. Bioengineering of the environment is underway. Weather weapons and modification are real. They are destroying the farmland and causing health problems such as infertility.
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I want to share a word on secret elite societies that have laid the foundation of our destruction. I speak of the Bilderbergs, Bohemian Grove, Council on Foreign Relation, Trilateral Commission and all the Bloodlines of the illuminati. If they have dug a pit to hell for the American people, if they think they have covenanted with Satan as their god, then I covenant with the American people that I will go into the dark recesses of society and root out the satanist elites and bring them to justice. No more secret dark works. No more child trafficking. No more Franklin Sex Scandal-style devil worship and human sacrifice. We will expose all their secret works in the light of day in the only court of true justice, the court of the people, the court of public opinion. We will slay these "vampires" by bringing them into the light. And I promise you, they will be cast into the prison camps they have built for us to await execution for their high crimes against humanity and this nation. I say to these wicked that God will smite you with his sword that hangs over you now.
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Mick West

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That quote from Barry Unsworth seems a bit suspect as well. That quote is dated there as 1987. Other sources put it in Dec 1995. However the only actual sources are conspiracy books and web sites. Example of the 1987 claim:

http://www.itwillpass.com/nwo_port_arthur_massacre_CORONIAL_INQUIRY.shtml
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]14. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"There will never be uniform Gun Laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania" said Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier, December, 1987 at a conference in Hobart. Prophecy or Planning?[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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He was Premier from 1986 to 1988.
 

Chuck

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This fellow produces what I believe to be some fair-minded videos. He doesn't jump to conclusions but asks reasonable questions.
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
Martin Bryant was tried in Tasmania in November 1996. He pleaded guilty to all charges and was locked up for the rest of his life. Pro snipers are not "in awe of his accuracy". He walked into a cafe with a semi-automatic and shot most of his victims at point blank range. He chased people around a bus before shooting them at point blank range. He chased the Mikacs family, a mother and two children aged 3 and 6 into the bush and shot them at point blank range. He pulled cars over and shot the occupants at point blank range. He shot his final victims in a lodge after tying them up and shooting them at point blank range.

One of my best friends from school was a Tasmanian police officer who attended the scene. He has never recovered from what he saw that day, including the Mikacs family.
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
To unimportant for an own Thread but interesting enough to mention it

Fox-News manipulating readers with old News

Actually, after the Sally-Shooting there is a strong discussion about the legal status of weapons in the USA.

On January 10th a small incident on a school hurted 2 people.

On the same Day, FOx-News presented this article, dated with January 10th, 2013:

15-Year-Old Defends Home Against Burglars, Shoots One Of Them With Father's AR-15


The teenage son of a Harris County Precinct 1 deputy shot a home intruder Tuesday afternoon in the 2600 block of Royal Place in northwest Harris County, deputies said.

The 15-year-old boy and his 12-year-old sister had been home alone in the Mount Royal Village subdivision when around 2:30 p.m. a pair of burglars tried the front and back doors, then broke a back window.


The teenager grabbed his father's assault rifle and knew what to do with it.


“We don't try to hide things from our children in law enforcement,” Lt. Jeffrey Stauber said. “That young boy was protecting his sister. He was in fear for his life and her life.”


The home invaders fled, leaving a trail of blood.
http://nation.foxnews.com/crime/201...gainst-burglars-shoots-one-them-fathers-ar-15

under the article, there is a link named "More on Khou.com" to the Source.

And the Source is an Article from June 2010 - over two years before

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM

Updated Tuesday, Jun 29 at 10:29 PM





HOUSTON – The teenage son of a Harris County Precinct 1 deputy shot a home intruder Tuesday afternoon in the 2600 block of Royal Place in northwest Harris County, deputies said.


The 15-year-old boy and his 12-year-old sister had been home alone in the Mount Royal Village subdivision when around 2:30 p.m. a pair of burglars tried the front and back doors, then broke a back window.

The teenager grabbed his father's assault rifle and knew what to do with it.

“We don't try to hide things from our children in law enforcement,” Lt. Jeffrey Stauber said. “That young boy was protecting his sister. He was in fear for his life and her life.”

The home invaders fled, leaving a trail of blood.

Shortly afterwards, two suspects showed up at Tomball hospital. One was an adult and was hit at least three times. Lifeflight flew him to Memorial Hermann hospital in the Medical Center. The second suspect, a juvenile, was taken back to the crime scene, authorities said.

Neighbors said burglars had recently struck the two houses next door, including the deputy's home.

“They stole everything -- what they have inside. They already did it one time,” Rafael Cortez said.

Source: http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Burglary-suspect-shot-by-15-year-old-son-of-deputy-97430719.html

Fox-News mentioned the Time but not the Date in their article.

This is a real strange way to manipulate the readers.

This Article is "Burning" (Fox news seems to have a list about Articles mentioned/liked often) It was No. #2 on the "Burning" list as I´ve find it....

Regarding this, i can understand why the people in the US are getting more and more splitted into two unforging parts. Fox-News-Viewers seems to be kept in a Parallel-Universe created by this popular Newschannel.
 
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Joe

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To unimportant for an own Thread but interesting enough to mention it

Fox-News manipulating readers with old News

Actually, after the Sally-Shooting there is a strong discussion about the legal status of weapons in the USA.

On January 10th a small incident on a school hurted 2 people.

On the same Day, FOx-News presented this article, dated with January 10th, 2013:


http://nation.foxnews.com/crime/201...gainst-burglars-shoots-one-them-fathers-ar-15

under the article, there is a link named "More on Khou.com" to the Source.

And the Source is an Article from June 2010 - over two years before



Source: http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Burglary-suspect-shot-by-15-year-old-son-of-deputy-97430719.html

Fox-News mentioned the Time but not the Date in their article.

This is a real strange way to manipulate the readers.

This Article is "Burning" (Fox news seems to have a list about Articles mentioned/liked often) It was No. #2 on the "Burning" list as I´ve find it....

. What are we supposed to go to the Obama media like msnbc abc , cbs CNN ect ? I actually dont watch much news but if I had to say which is more fair and balanced I would say Its Fox only because I find it even to left for me . The other channels are quite like the Old Pravda in The Soviet Union . Did you happen to see that story on CNN or The other propaganda networks ?
 

Chuck

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"The Original Story of the Sandy Hooks Shooting is Riddled with Holes". I have found the skepticism regarding the official story at the linked website, to be rather typical of the mainstream responses to the Sandy Hooks massacre. This website is chocked full of similar videos to the following:

[video=youtube_share;eHv_RhVgfUQ]http://youtu.be/eHv_RhVgfUQ[/video]

[video=youtube_share;qhLe2i8uFwc]http://youtu.be/qhLe2i8uFwc[/video]

If you do a Google search for "Robbie Parker Sandy Hooks" the top results all refer to him as a poor actor not a bereaved father. Almost every blog about this massacre treats this tragedy as a hoax. And the Sandy Hooks was a Hoax FB page is more of the same. I can't seem to find any debunking sites dealing with this issue.

[video=youtube_share;cKWgCRBR5qE]http://youtu.be/cKWgCRBR5qE[/video]
 

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