Debunked: Sandy Hook Hoax (OP includes quick links )

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My thought is it is another government mind control.


Is there any chance that perhaps you are slightly biased considering your "experience" with the Federal government and the fact that you have been "documenting" "how Feds murder people" for over 10 years?

My American nightmare

New high tech weapons such like radiation material, microwave kill people without trace, leaving death look like heart attack, blood cancer, etc.

In 1991, because an acquaintance was arrested for drug smuggling, I was under surveillance by law enforcement agent. They used isotope money as tracer which hurt my health badly. After I complained this I found I was frequently under microwave radiation which cooked my blood, solidified them to form clog, caused severe chest pain. As pressure intensified,I could not bear the torture of EM wave, I went abroad in 1999. There I still was under surveillance of local police. On Mar. 22 2000, attempts of frame me up to a drug case forced me seeking political asylum in Thailand.

What made an U.S. citizen drift abroad and ask for political asylum? The black box practice covered criminal activities of U.S. law enforcement agency. New high tech weapons enable them to murder people without being aware of. To prevent U.S. become a fascist country, an independent organization which can check the conduct of law enforcement agency is necessary.

It was a big case ten years ago.
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And why is that suspicious? This shot matches the live shots from that day, and it's facing towards the school.

You miss the point. In such a big case with a lot of casulty, the first thing should be to call ambulance to save lives. There is none but a fire engine. Or did they know in advance that none survived?
 
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You miss the point. In such a big case with a lot of casulty, the first thing should be to call ambulance to save lives. There is none but a fire engine. Or did they know in advance that none survived?

The first thing they call in an active shooter situation is the police. Notice all the cop cars in the photo above (mostly gray, state police).

Fire departments are also the first responders to many medical emergencies, simply because they can get there quickest. In that case the fire department was just a few hundred yards away.

And there were lots of ambulances, they were just staged at the fire house, with it being a shooter situation. I count nine here:

 
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Ambulances and Fire stage in any situation where there might be a danger to the paramedics, prior to the police arriving and securing the scene. I listen to the police scanner and daily I hear "Fire and Ambulance are staging at ______", typically for any situation where the police have not secured the scene and verified that the paramedics are not in any danger. I would say that paramedic response times (in my area) are generally better (in most cases) than the police which cause a lot more staging as the police work to get on scene and verify. Sometimes, the ambulance will stage for 1 minute, and the police will say "all clear have LFD (Lansing fire department) move in." Generally they also stage close by.

I will verify that the police are called first in a shooting situation, but at least in my area the Ambulance companies are quicker to respond than the police; and generally already know before-hand where they will be staging (with the Fire Department truck) as the police are on-scene. The dispatcher will notify the responding officers where ambulance services are staging; however sometimes this gets held up from happening if the dispatcher or command happen to call "Hold the air for normal traffic" as officers respond and check the scene.
 
The first thing they call in an active shooter situation is the police. Notice all the cop cars in the photo above (mostly gray, state police).

Fire departments are also the first responders to many medical emergencies, simply because they can get there quickest. In that case the fire department was just a few hundred yards away.

And there were lots of ambulances, they were just staged at the fire house, with it being a shooter situation. I count nine here:


That doesn't make sense. When you saw a bloody scenes, the first thing is to save the lives as soon as possible. And ambulance should be the first be called. Unless they definitely knew all were dead in advance, then they send ambulance to somewhere else. Look at these ambulance, all were in a position being blocked, couldn't move even there was an emergent call. The two pictures you gave looks more like a drill.

We Were Having A Drill”: Sandy Hook 3rd Grader Spills The Beans – From TheMouths Of Babes Comes The Truth
Saturday, February 9, 2013

One very recent comment from the video on YouTube:

Wow. If you watch carefully, you will see that after the kid says"When we were having a drill, we were hiding under, like...," hismother (the woman sitting next to him in the black sweater) nudges him with herarm, his body moves slightly in response, and his eyes quickly dart towardsher, then back again. Then, Dr. Oz immediately taps him on the shoulder andquickly changes the subject, so the kid doesn't say anything more about itbeing a drill. From the mouths of babes comes the truth

http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/02/we-were-having-a-drill-sandy-hook-3rd-grader-spills-the-beans-from-the-mouths-of-babes-comes-the-truth-2445398.html
 
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That doesn't make sense. When you saw a bloody scenes, the first thing is to save the lives as soon as possible. And ambulance should be the first be called. Unless they definitely knew all were dead in advance, then they send ambulance to somewhere else. Look at these ambulance, all were in a position being blocked, couldn't move even there was an emergent call. The two pictures you gave looks more like a drill.

But you don't send ambulances into a shooter situation, do you? You know what the word "stage" means here?

The kid in the video is saying "like when we were having a drill". He does not say it was a drill.
 
The police are sent FIRST to make sure your paramedics aren't shot. A dead or injured paramedic can't save lives.

One of the reasons for having drills is so that if there is an emergency, folks will respond like it is a drill. They won't PANIC, since most likely it's just a drill.

Really everything a third grader says is correct?
 
That doesn't make sense. When you saw a bloody scenes, the first thing is to save the lives as soon as possible. And ambulance should be the first be called. Unless they definitely knew all were dead in advance, then they send ambulance to somewhere else. Look at these ambulance, all were in a position being blocked, couldn't move even there was an emergent call. The two pictures you gave looks more like a drill.

In an active shooter situation, the paramedics and firemen would remain (stage) at a safe distance, until the scene was declared safe and cleared by LEOs. In a building the size of a school, this can take time. Especially when there is a possibility of more than one shooter. They would have cleared the school room by room, checking every area where some one could hide. They do this slowly and methodically, taking great care to not get killed in the process. Even once the building was cleared, they would clear the woods to make sure no one was waiting to snipe the paramedics. Once the LEOs are sure the area is clear, they will allow in paramedics and fire. I know it seems heartless and cruel, but it is better for one person to bleed to death, than for two others to die trying to save them.

Those ambulances are probably blocked in. Most likely, there was a surplus of ambulances that showed up and once all the injured were transported to the hospital, the paramedics became crowd control or grief counselors.
 
That doesn't make sense. When you saw a bloody scenes, the first thing is to save the lives as soon as possible. And ambulance should be the first be called. ...

Then you should be writing to your local representative with suggestions to change the protocol since the way it is done seems inadequate to you.
 
erthis whole thing shows why conspiracy theorists generally hold no water. first of all, they never supply any evidence to back up their claims. they just throw out far fetched possibilities without ever providing a shred of evidence, and then they demand evidence to refute their claim.

second of all, in the case of sandy hook, it would have required the cooperation of thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people to pull off a hoax of this magnitude. consider the number of emergency responders, the number of student/staff survivors in the school, their families, the number of fatalities, all of their families and friends, as well as the local community in general. so far, not 1 single person that i am aware of that was actually involved, or that knows anybody involved in anyway, has made any claim that this was a hoax.
 
erthis whole thing shows why conspiracy theorists generally hold no water. first of all, they never supply any evidence to back up their claims. they just throw out far fetched possibilities without ever providing a shred of evidence, and then they demand evidence to refute their claim.

second of all, in the case of sandy hook, it would have required the cooperation of thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people to pull off a hoax of this magnitude. consider the number of emergency responders, the number of student/staff survivors in the school, their families, the number of fatalities, all of their families and friends, as well as the local community in general. so far, not 1 single person that i am aware of that was actually involved, or that knows anybody involved in anyway, has made any claim that this was a hoax.

. . . and clearly they are so SLOPPY, anyone can pick holes in it.
 
Anyone wonder why they used a crowbar to open the shed then move on as if someone locked themselves in there from the outside? I never saw footage of anyone bringing anything out of the school. Everyone must of grabbed their keys on the way out and parked at the fire station.
 
Anyone wonder why they used a crowbar to open the shed then move on as if someone locked themselves in there from the outside? I never saw footage of anyone bringing anything out of the school. Everyone must of grabbed their keys on the way out and parked at the fire station.

I think you need to be a bit more specific in what you are referring to.
 
That doesn't make sense. When you saw a bloody scenes, the first thing is to save the lives as soon as possible. And ambulance should be the first be called. Unless they definitely knew all were dead in advance, then they send ambulance to somewhere else.


When the photo of the children evacuating the scene was taken has been determined to be at 10:10 by shadow analysis and was stated to have been taken at 10:09 by Hicks herself. This would put the time of the photo as just over 30 minutes after the first 911 call. Here is a link to her story.

http://lightbox.time.com/2012/12/20/the-story-behind-the-iconic-photograph-from-sandy-hook/#1

At that time the first two ambulances with wounded children were already on their way to Danbury Hospital. You can listen to the audio of the radio traffic from that day with the following link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ETkrxfYoQtc

More ambulances were called and at approximately 10:04 you can hear them dropping the tones to call additional ambulances, they would not yet have arrived when the photo was snapped. The staging area for the ambulances is designated as at the fire station and you can hear that on the audio of the radio traffic as well. The truth about why there were no additional ambulances parked at the school later in the day is that sadly by the time they arrived at the staging area at the fire station they were not needed as the children had already expired. One of the criteria for not performing CPR on individuals is exsanguination which in layman's terms means that they bled to death. EMT personnel on the scene, and you can hear them in the audio being instructed to set up triage areas, would have been able to quickly determine that the children had bled to death. I have listened all the way through the audio and I am working on constructing a timeline for the day using it and other sources.
 
At the 9:09 minute mark, you could see what appears to be a dummy. Thanks for this video man. Let's keep the evidence coming.


You did see the "dummy" move right. Or it is chucky from child's play movies or it was shooting vitim we see in the new 8 video being loaded into the ambulance at 11 am.
 
  • What was the motivation? Couldn't be gun control, because that would imply that the same people who orchestrated a false flag attack involving 20 dead children didn't do the slightest bit of research beforehand. Are there any other possible motivations you can think of?
  • If eliciting support for gun control was the aim, why wasn't it much worse in order to ensure that outcome? It easily could have been.
  • Why wasn't there a consistent media narrative from the start which would have avoided all of this suspicion in the first place?
  • If this was indeed a botched operation, it is well within the government's capabilities to selectively censor any and all discussion of the hoax online. Most conspiracy folk haven't even heard of encryption, much less grok it enough to use it effectively. There are various trivial things the government could do to cut off access to conspiracy information for >99% of people. Why wouldn't they have headed off all discussion of the subject by doing so from the start

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How about the motive to promote gun sales. Look at all the guns that have been sold since this happened. I don't believe any of this was setup but any organization government or otherwise. But the argument that the Fed had the only possible motive to do this for gun control is not true considering that failed but gun sales were a roaring success. Also if the govnemnt was behind this why would they have not video the shooter walking around the school. Really how hard would that have been if they were going to go through all the trouble to set this up then just not do the biggest thing that could prove it happened and not do it. Come on have some sense people.
 
How about the motive to promote gun sales. Look at all the guns that have been sold since this happened....
What's funny, and sad, is the self-perpetuated ammo shortage by all that frenzied panic buying that is being pointed to as a government plot, and they can't even see how they've created the situation themselves.
 
That is so true, Pete. I guess it is easier to blame the 'government', than to look at their own actions.
 
Time and again the CTs reject common sense. For now I will be Mr. Lucifer's advocate. IF the MAN did this, what is the cogent story. Who were the other shooter/s? What weapons were used? How was it planned or funded? Particularly where is there any paper trail to support this?

Here is something to consider...
Watergate was a relatively small conspiracy involving the President. Even still Nixon was taken down by a whistleblower who anonymously informed the press, because he knew Nixon was committing crimes that would have removed him from office.

Now please tell me if this is a wide ranging conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands why is there no physical evidence linking this? Also how could all the conspirators be OK with murdering children and not one gained a conscience and sounded the alarm?

The answer is that the "official story" is correct. Life is chaotic and often cannot be easily shaped into a neat narrative. That is the problem with our minds. We as humans strive to make sense out of the jumbled mass of info we take in. Hence why so many see Jesus in toast or faces on objects. It it perception. While the "official story" has flaws and anomalies, it by far holds more water than any conspiracy story. Until the CTs can develop a narrative with fewer flaws AND explains the flaws in the currently accepted narrative, they are just fearmongering and ranting about their version of the US government.

Lastly do not blame the MSM. Don't you think Fox or other conservative media sources would have had an interest in taking down Obama for this, or are they too subsumed in an epic plot that involves everyone except the CTs...
 
It's like when some were claiming that 'thousands of folks were sick and dying' from the BP blow out. The claimed that ALL the doctors and hospitals were 'gagged'. I pointed out that if they were being overwhelmed, that nurses and staff would be working a lot of overtime and such. Folks that have teens. Teens that chat on FB and twitter. Innocent remarks like, 'mom had me order pizza again, since she is working overtime' can't be gagged. And folks have family in other areas.

To be applying REASON is enough to debunk most of the CT stories
 
It's like when some were claiming that 'thousands of folks were sick and dying' from the BP blow out. The claimed that ALL the doctors and hospitals were 'gagged'. I pointed out that if they were being overwhelmed, that nurses and staff would be working a lot of overtime and such. Folks that have teens. Teens that chat on FB and twitter. Innocent remarks like, 'mom had me order pizza again, since she is working overtime' can't be gagged. And folks have family in other areas.

To be applying REASON is enough to debunk most of the CT stories

I still keep reading about the thousands getting sick from Chemtrails "in the Portland area" or "here in AZ". I wonder if these people who claim they can smell chemtrails as they happen and have trouble breathing DO go to doctors and tell them that. Of course I'm sure doctors have heard crazier things than that and probably suggest they see a specialist ( whose credentials begin with "psy")
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What showed up along the Gulf was a handful of doctors that would blame the spill. Of course they were a mixed bag of non specialists. One is an Eye, ear, nose and throat doctor, he was treating folks for 'seizures' and stomach pain and toxins. Another is a 'life extension specialist'. They were referring folks to a lab that is listed on Quackwatch. One doctor, in Texas that is doing 'detox' has lost his license in at least 2 states and has been censored in others. Always for unneeded treatments, ie, 'detox' programs.

NONE of them ever seem to go to teaching hospital or a major medical center.
 
there were four people outside that school..one was a dad , one guy in camo pants he was a volunteer fireman from another town (who was first thought to be an off duty cop from some other town) and two are unknown to us at this time (the two gunmen in the woods seen from the chopper video) QUESTION: who were they? and if you cannot answer please don't unless you can cite a source other than media guesstimation hearsay which is all I've seen quoted in any of this "debunking" thus far, you see the problem is the state has not closed this case and no police report has yet been completed and further? the state police claim this crime is still undergoing an investigation..which of course means that it's not an open and shut case..if sandy hook is NOT an open and shut case (and it obviously isn't) then why are we passing laws on it's back. any ideas? my contention is as follows "this crime cannot be debunked at this time as the investigation has not been closed and according to ct state police the final police report will not be available till june this year. so all that ANYONE has is media chatter and hearsay at best a guesstimation since the case was not "open and shut" why? because once again? the case is still "under investigation" which means to me that we simply do not have all or dare I say ANY facts at all, we def. do NOT have an official accounting because the report hasn't been released or more accurately hasn't even been finished case still open investigation is ongoing.
 
there were four people outside that school..one was a dad , one guy in camo pants he was a volunteer fireman from another town (who was first thought to be an off duty cop from some other town) and two are unknown to us at this time (the two gunmen in the woods seen from the chopper video) QUESTION: who were they? and if you cannot answer please don't unless you can cite a source other than media guesstimation hearsay<<SNIP!>>

So you tell us. Who were they? (And don't forget to cite a source!)
 
the state police claim this crime is still undergoing an investigation..which of course means that it's not an open and shut case..if sandy hook is NOT an open and shut case (and it obviously isn't) then why are we passing laws on it's back. any ideas?
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Could it have anything to do with the 26 funerals ?
 
The first thing they call in an active shooter situation is the police. Notice all the cop cars in the photo above (mostly gray, state police).

Fire departments are also the first responders to many medical emergencies, simply because they can get there quickest. In that case the fire department was just a few hundred yards away.

And there were lots of ambulances, they were just staged at the fire house, with it being a shooter situation. I count nine here:


So what if there were ambulance in firehouse? It only prove they didn't care for casualties. They determined no one could leave alive.

The later coming ambulance parks at the center of the road. Paramedics takeeasy steps with no hurry. Are they exhausted by repeated drills or just know inadvance there is no survivors? Compare that red coat running woman.

 
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I would suggest you go there and interview some of the locals at the firehouse and point these things out to them. I'm sure they would explain the context to you calmly.
 
I'm new here, and I've watched every piece of media on Sandy Hook I could find, including conspiracy videos as well as people debunking these theories or attempting to. The one thing I can't rap my brain around is the connection between the car, 872-YEO, and Christopher Rodia. He fits the perfect profile of someone for this crime, having a past filled with crime and connections to at least one arms dealer. Why is he not even mentioned at all? Shouldn't he have at least been a suspect? I mean, his car is at the scene, how are they sure he wasn't involved? I haven't been able to get a good answer on that one. And why is Adam Lanza's gun in his trunk? Rodia claims he was pulled over very far away (pulled over, for being illegally parked. Ok, we'll let that slide). Either way, how come nobody bats an eye at the fact that it was his car at the scene? And we have a police recording of a cop running that plate. That could NOT have been from Rodia's alleged pullover, as he was in his mother's car, which would have another plate and would come up as his mother's name.

i'm not saying the shooting didn't happen; I'm almost certain now deaths occurred, despite the laughable lack of evidence. But to brush this guy off who is obviously connected to the crime scene, AND is a known criminal? Really?
 
http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Police-No-Newtown-conspiracy-4162391.php

Is there any evidence about Lanza's gun being found in his car? It seems that he is innocent of any connection to this.

The car confiscated at the scene, the black Honda with that license plate, belongs to a relative of Lanza's and not to Rodia, he said.

Greenwich Detective Vincent O'Banner remembers pulling Rodia over in that city around the time of the Newtown shootings. "I do remember that," he said. "I gave him a verbal warning."

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There is no 'lack of evidence' in this case. The bodies of those killed to start with.
 
http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Police-No-Newtown-conspiracy-4162391.php

Is there any evidence about Lanza's gun being found in his car? It seems that he is innocent of any connection to this.

The car confiscated at the scene, the black Honda with that license plate, belongs to a relative of Lanza's and not to Rodia, he said.

Greenwich Detective Vincent O'Banner remembers pulling Rodia over in that city around the time of the Newtown shootings. "I do remember that," he said. "I gave him a verbal warning."

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There is no 'lack of evidence' in this case. The bodies of those killed to start with.

Bodies? What bodies? I've seen no bodies. I've heard the families were shown pictures initially for identification purposes (how would someone identify a child who was shot in the face?)

the only person backing up Rodia is a crooked cop (look him up, he appears to have a criminal past including stalking charges). Why am I to believe his story? Because he's law enforcement?
And again, why exactly was the audio recording of an officer running the plate clearly stating the car belonged to Rodia? Did he sell his car or give it to someone in the Lanza family?
 
Hitheycallmejosh;47697] His car is at the scene, how are they sure he wasn't involved? I haven't been able to get a good answer on that one. And why is Adam Lanza's gun in his trunk? Rodia claims he was pulled over very far away (pulled over, for being illegally parked. Ok, we'll let that slide). Either way, how come nobody bats an eye at the fact that it was his car at the scene? And we have a police recording of a cop running that plate. That could NOT have been from Rodia's alleged pullover, as he was in his mother's car, which would have another plate and would come up as his mother's name.

What evidence is there for Rodia's car being at the scene? What evidence is there for suggesting that he was in his mother's vehicle? Why would he be a suspect, if, as you ascertain, he was being "pulled over" elsewhere in his mother's car, and therefore not at the school?


He fits the perfect profile of someone for this crime.

In that case every petty criminal in the world fits the profile for this crime! In fact most school shooters seem to be teenagers (or close to it) who are students or ex students.
 
What evidence is there for Rodia's car being at the scene? What evidence is there for suggesting that he was in his mother's vehicle? Why would he be a suspect, if, as you ascertain, he was being "pulled over" elsewhere in his mother's car, and therefore not at the school?




In that case every petty criminal in the world fits the profile for this crime! In fact most school shooters seem to be teenagers (or close to it) who are students or ex students.


I have no evidence Chris Rodia is at the scene of the crime. I have the same amount of evidence that Adam Lanza was there. The only problem is, the car at the scene of the crime is REGiSTERED to Chris Rodia. There's no getting around this fact. We can speculate all we want on how Adam Lanza got this car, but the fact is, Chris' car was there, he should be a suspect at the least. But he's cleared immediately by the story that he's getting pulled over in his mom's car (with pending felony charges? I guess I'm not sure how that works) and is let go from that without even a written warning. Why is that not in the least bit suspicious? Seeing as how Rodia's car was there, 100% video evidence to back it up, and Adam Lanza was not shown in any way, I believe it's more rational to consider that Rodia is more of a suspect than Adam Lanza.

And in the case of 'every petty criminal fitting the profile of the crime', the only difference is Rodia has direct evidence linking him to the crime! His car!
 
I have no evidence Chris Rodia is at the scene of the crime. I have the same amount of evidence that Adam Lanza was there. The only problem is, the car at the scene of the crime is REGiSTERED to Chris Rodia.

It's not though. He was being pulled over that the same time for an unrelated traffic stop, and there was just cross-traffic one the radio. 872-YEO was registed to Lanza's mother.

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http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-conspiracy-theorists-cant-think-2535800.html (http://archive.is/05DZL)
 
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It's not though. He was being pulled over that the same time for an unrelated traffic stop, and there was just cross-traffic one the radio. 872-YEO was registed to Lanza's mother.

Details:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-conspiracy-theorists-cant-think-2535800.html (http://archive.is/05DZL)


Well, I guess that clears that up, Apart from that strange mix up, it all seems legit. I've been on the fence with this one for a while because of all the weird things like this but it all makes sense.
 
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Bodies? What bodies? I've seen no bodies.

You have to personally see bodies to believe someone died? I did not see my neighbor's sister's body when she died. I guess she may not be dead?


I've heard the families were shown pictures initially for identification purposes (how would someone identify a child who was shot in the face?)

By the clothing they were wearing that day? What do you think happened to their children? They showed the parents photos of different children who were shot in the face, after they put their deceased child's clothes on them?
 
Are you really saying that you think that they should have released pictures of the bullet ridden children's bodies, just so those that love conspiracies can be satisfied? I hope not.

Pictures of dead bodies are NOT released, especially when they are crime victims. One might get a distance view of someone in an open casket.
 
The only problem is, the car at the scene of the crime is REGiSTERED to Chris Rodia. There's no getting around this fact. We can speculate all we want on how Adam Lanza got this car, but the fact is, Chris' car was there, he should be a suspect at the least. But he's cleared immediately by the story that he's getting pulled over in his mom's car (with pending felony charges? I guess I'm not sure how that works) and is let go from that without even a written warning. Why is that not in the least bit suspicious? Seeing as how Rodia's car was there, 100% video evidence to back it up, and Adam Lanza was not shown in any way, I believe it's more rational to consider that Rodia is more of a suspect than Adam Lanza.

And in the case of 'every petty criminal fitting the profile of the crime', the only difference is Rodia has direct evidence linking him to the crime! His car!

There IS evidence Lanza was there. His mother's car was there and we know she didn't drive it because she was dead. The evidence is that Chris Rodia was not there. He was elswhere being questioned on a traffic offence. that's clear from the police scanner audio.

Do you have the source for the story that Rodia was in his mother's car?

Try to look a little closer before claiming "100% evidence". Examine as many avenues as you can. Don't accept that the first explanation is automatically the correct one. Do that which conspiracy theorists claim that they do........ ask questions.
 
Sheesh, if you bothered to read the next couple posts in this thread you would see that most of what I mentioned or asked was cleared up (I think entirely by Mick). No need to continue to try to dispute me at this point.
By the way, I'm not sayin they should release photos of dead kids. I would rather them release evidence of Adam Lanza being there. You know, maybe surveillance footage of him walking up to the front door? Is that too much to ask? I know I'm not entitled to this kind of evidence but the fact is they literally altered the freedom of information act so that we can't even see this tiny shred of evidence. The FOIA is exempt to personal privacy issues, so I can understand why not releasing photos of the children themselves wouldn't fly, but there's so much evidence swept under the rug that shouldn't be by law. It's basically as though they've made the unseen evidence itself 'classified,' is it not?
 
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