Yeah, that is interesting as a data point, but it has actually been known for a few years.
John Greenwald originally received an almost fully redacted list.
https://documents2.theblackvault.co...090624_Reid_to_DEPSECDEF_ref_AAITP_in_SAP.pdf
George Knapp released a version with Elizondo and Hal Puthoff unredacted.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/ind...eid,_then_US_Senate_Majority_Leader,_2009.pdf
Last year Steven Greenstreet released a copy of the full unredacted list.
x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1943347336278872149
It shows there was some kind of connection between Elizondo and AAWSAP, but really doesn't tell us any more than that. We already knew he was somehow related to AAWSAP from his mentions in
Skinwalkers at the Pentagon by James Lacatski, Colm Kelleher and George Knapp, where Stratton was bringing him to dinners and he was telling them about his alleged psychic abilities, and kept in touch with Stratton (p. 63).
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Further down the dinner table sat Luis Elizondo, who worked collaboratively with Axelrod and was at the office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (USDI). Elizondo looked dapper with jet black hair and was considered a brilliant Special Agent and analyst with a lot of expertise on counterintelligence investigations. Little did anyone at that dinner table realize that nine years later Lue Elizondo would become a media star and a household name in global UAP investigations.
As he enjoyed his steak tartare, Elizondo regaled those around him with some war stories, including one hair-raising exploit about how his advanced intuition and remote viewing capabilities had saved his life and the life of his men while on a covert combat mission in war-torn Afghanistan. Lue was one of that rare breed, an astute, detail-oriented analyst with an open mind. After that dinner meeting and the briefing the following day, he kept in close touch with Jonathan Axelrod as the project progressed.
The 2019 email you quote from the FOIA document (
https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/osd/20-F-0163.pdf) is from pages 83-84 and begins with the statement, "I don't have an accurate accounting of his employment history with AATIP. I have been provided this statement from OUSD(I)." AAWSAP/AATIP was a DIA program so it's understandable that OSD public affairs would not have an accurate picture of the program.
In an email from 2019 on pp. 263-264, Neill Tipton, Elizondo's former boss at OUSDI said:
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AATIP - "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program" - name of the program initially created by Senators Reid and Inouye in 2008.
AAWSAP - "Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Application Program" - name of the contract that DIA executed and managed in accordance with the AATIP legislation.
To the questions that are being asked about Elizondo's purported role in AATIP. As Tara has said for Garry and as 1have said, Elizondo had no assigned responsibilities for this program. Elizondo worked for me from 2010 to early 2012. He worked for Garry for some years prior to his resignation from the government.
Of note and in the interest of absolute clarity:
I have seen one document that associates Elizondo with AATIP. It is a letter from Senator Reid's office, dated 24 June 2009 that requested a security assessment. It had an attachment with a list of names of proposed 'bigoted list of government personnel'. That list included Elizondo. That document was marked by Sen Reid's office as containing information exempt from mandatory disclosure under FOIA citing exemptions 1 and 5.
That letter from Senator Reid's office pre-dates Elizondo being assigned to my office. At the time he was assigned to me, he brought with him no responsibilities for AATIP (and I was unaware of its existence).
That one document is the only written association of Elizondo with AATIP, it has nothing about who is 'in charge' of AATIP, and as we've said he had no responsibilities for the program while under my or Garry Reid's oversight.
This is again a confusion about the relationship of AAWSAP/AATIP, but that is clarified in the much earlier DIA and USD Clapper memos from the time the program was active, cited previously. But it does show his actual bosses had no knowledge of him working for AAWSAP/AATIP.
Per Lacatski in
Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, p. 145, AAWSAP/AATIP run for the duration of its contract and was shut down, leading them to look for other funding, leading them to DHS and the Kona Blue proposal.
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) ran for just over two years, including a three month no-cost-extension that concluded on December 21, 2010. Even as the program was shut down at DIA, AAWSAP principals began looking for alternative locations at which to house what had become both a highly successful program but also a political hot potato. Several attempts were made by members of AAWSAP in 2011 to secure a place at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) after the shutdown of the effort at DIA. They are described in this and the next chapter.
This agrees with the DIA memos:
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(U//FOUO) In November, 2009, Deputy Secretary of Defense Lynn and I met with Senator Reid to discuss this program. At that time, we determined the reports were of limited value to DIA. However, I did suggest they could be of merit to other organizations and that upon the completion of the DIA contract; the project could be transitioned to another agency or component better suited to oversee the project.
Source:
https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/dia/AAWSAP/U-10-2552CE-IM-ATL.pdf
And the DHS memos:
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(U) In a December 2009 meeting, LTG Burgess, Director of DIA and former DoD Deputy Sec. William Lynn communicated to Senator Reid that the DIA program could not be conducted by the Intelligence Community due to its potential growth. In addition, per an (undated) Info Memo, Subject: Advanced Aerospace Threat and Identification Program/U-10-2552/CE, from LTG Burgess to OoO U/S for AT&L, it was cited that the initial effort was insufficient to classify the program or establish a special access program and recommended that the program could be better suited for another agency or component.
Source:
https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/osd/konablue-release1.pdf (p. 45)
After the Kona Blue PSAP at DHS was rejected in December of 2011 (see pages 50-52 of the above document), the paper trail for AAWSAP/AATIP ends. I have not seen any primary sources that indicate Elizondo had any relationship with the actual AAWSAP program except his inclusion in Reid's proposed bigot list for the rejected AATIP SAP, or that AATIP was a separate program that was ever funded apart from the AAWSAP program. So I am inclined to believe Lacatski when he claims the Elizondo/Stratton "AATIP" was not a real program and was an informal effort they engaged in while keeping the nickname after AAWSAP ended.
Even in Elizondo's version of the story, it sounds like they had no funding for their version of "AATIP" after the AAWSAP contract ended and were just doing it on their own budget and time.
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Long story short, Jay ran point on pulling off miracle after miracle and succeeded in getting Senator Reid to give us new funding—$10 million! We rejoiced for all of ten minutes, until we learned that another DoD program had absconded the funds. Jay and I felt kicked in the teeth. This happened because the language on the funding bill was ambiguous enough for someone in a powerful position to justify kicking the money to another line item.
To make matters worse, the world's biggest catch-22 hung over our heads. We knew who had taken the money, and how he expected to use the funds. We just couldn't openly fight for our money. If we did, we would expose the program. If we didn't fight for the money, we would have no other funding source.
Neill Tipton urged me to speak to his boss, John Pede, who was no stranger to black budgets. When I bumped into Pede in the hallway and
explained the situation, he said, "Damn, Lue, wish I had known earlier. I know the money you're asking about; it's being used to pay for some
academic studies. Had I known earlier, I could have helped."
He was right. We had kept our "bigoted" list of AATIP's members and allies small. We were afraid to make some people aware of the effort. I guess we might have been overly protective of the topic, so protective that we lost the money we needed to continue.
"I wish I could tell you what we need it for, but I am not at liberty to discuss the details at this time," I told Pede.
He smiled. "Believe it or not, I think I know what you are working on," he said, winking. Pede always struck me as having a brilliant mind. I suspected maybe he really did know.
Officially, we were on the skids, but we knew we could make it work on a shoestring. I had my own modest budget, and we could probably request other small funding disbursements on a case-by-case basis through a government process called "Overguidance."
Source: Imminent, pp. 112-113.