What could Dāv Kaufman's UFO be? [Likely Solved - lights on the horizon]

Z.W. Wolf said:
Wow. Broken Arrow was an old TV show I watched as a kid. You never know what my stutter will bring up.
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Broken Arrow is the code name used for a missing nuclear weapon or accidental nuclear explosion by the US military as well and there was a John Woo movie based on that premise with the same name.
 
I was at work all day thinking about this, and I was going to come here and say I was leaning toward a localized cluster of ground lights. But I'm way behind the times.

What I was thinking about was this video. Very similar appearance.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/as...with-several-orb-like-uaps.14680/#post-360236

I've previously speculated that the strange lights in this video are lights on a distant ship, below the horizon, made visible by an atmospheric refraction effect.



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....disappeared before like one by one. The lights went off and now they're back on.

And they're just like hanging out, out there and that is pretty freaking big.
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That makes me suspect the lights are over the horizon and are visible only when the conditions are just right.



At this point the lights fade out. Then at 3:55 they come back again. Probably because there's stronger or weaker refraction, depending on the changing conditions.



They're getting like closer and there's more of them.
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Witness perceives increase in apparent brightness and apparent size as movement along his line of sight. Getting closer.
 
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jarlrmai said:
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There's a faint but visible in several portions light here that maintains distance and level with the main light cluster, which would seem to support a fixed location
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The nighttime satellite imagery confirms the mine is very bright. Here's the clearest image during the timeframe of Dav's trip.

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A few nights before, light cloud cover accentuates the brightness even more:
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https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?v=140.38177527283088,-33.13458549375089,141.82036342047493,-30.736938581010843&l=Reference_Labels_15m,Reference_Features_15m(hidden),Coastlines_15m(hidden),VIIRS_NOAA21_DayNightBand,OCI_PACE_True_Color(hidden),VIIRS_NOAA21_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),VIIRS_NOAA20_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),VIIRS_SNPP_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Aqua_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor&lg=true&s=140.6654,-31.7435&t=2026-03-23-T01:09:55Z

*edit: the city of Broken Hill to the south-east has a population of ~17,500. So the light pollution from the mine is certainly significant.
 
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fizzBuzz said:
could this be the location? This is facing West.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/enLPH4dpY8LtDx5Z8
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I think this location would fit.
The road in the lower night picture LOOKS like it is horizontal, but is actually sloping down, as you can see in the upper picture.
But the viewer at night cannot see where the HORIZON actually is because it is far away and the air is hazy/dusty.
So they estimate the horizon by where the road vanishes in the darkness.

Having lived in very flat areas the lights in the video look exactly like what I would expect a town/factory/building group seen at a great distance would look like at night in an area otherwise devoid of lights.
Through air that is not still but varies in density because of temperature differences.

Near a city like Tucson Arizona, where the lights go forever in every direction it is easy to see "horizontal" at night.
But out away from cities, where they are vast areas with no lights at all at night, isolated clusters of lights are hard to judge.
 
Thank you very much for looking into this, all of you!
(and for correcting my spelling :) )

I've commented on the video accordingly, let's see what they say.
I really like Bob Bledsoe, I've learned a ton about snakes from him, but he's a bit too credulous on weird stuff... I try just to enjoy the podcast as storytelling.
(His episode on Men in Black is good fun though, even for a skeptic)
 
Trailblazer said:
Looks exactly right - even this branch on the right just next to the marker pole is still present.

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It only took like 10 minutes maybe to find this location. If anyone is interested, this was my method:
  1. Zoomed into the town of Silverton
  2. After panning around for a few seconds I realized there is only one paved road in that area (this was the biggest clue)
  3. Next were the lines on the road. I noticed that the one paved road had two outer white lines on the East side of Silverton. But on the West side, the outer white lines were not present.
  4. Dropped into street view on the West side of Silverton and started biking West.
  5. The first thing I was looking for was the stepped terrain. You'll notice on the right side of the road the terrain goes up and on the left side of the road, the terrain goes down. As I was biking I noticed this was a rare occurrence in that area.
  6. My second queue was the combination of the mile markers and the one lone tree you see on the left side of the road.
  7. Found this spot and I verified with things like the branches next to the mile marker, the bush to the far right of the image, the tilt of the right side mile marker, and in my image you'll notice a couple trees in the background behind the right side mile marker - in the original image, you can very faintly see a couple trees behind that mile marker.
 
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Alytha said:
Thank you very much for looking into this, all of you!
(and for correcting my spelling :) )

I've commented on the video accordingly, let's see what they say.
I really like Bob Bledsoe, I've learned a ton about snakes from him, but he's a bit too credulous on weird stuff... I try just to enjoy the podcast as storytelling.
(His episode on Men in Black is good fun though, even for a skeptic)
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This comment would indicate Bob might not be convinced..

Of course leaving out the interesting part seems a very odd choice..

Also what is it with UFOs and the name Bob (and Bledsoe as well...)
 
So I reached out to Bob Bledsoe and sent him a link to this thread. This was his response. He has also shared the original videos that Dav sent him and has given me permission to share them here.

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One thing that bothered me during the investigation and it's highlighted more with this release is the the "Exactly the spot we were" video area doesn't seem to match the UFO video area.

We see almost a a 270 where he starts filming dead head then switches to a selfie view, but where is the road with the raised desert view? The culvert and the pipe structure seem to be absent/unlikely to be found in the actual geo located road area.

It's also describe as flat with no mountains, yet we know the video was filmed from a prominent rise above the desert.

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flarkey said:
So I reached out to Bob Bledsoe and sent him a link to this thread. This was his response. He has also shared the original videos that Dav sent him and has given me permission to share them here.

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Gonna guess no metadata, I downloaded them and they have none, but they also have different filenames from the view as attachments, so not sure if it is stripping the metadata here?
 
flarkey said:
So I reached out to Bob Bledsoe and sent him a link to this thread. This was his response. He has also shared the original videos that Dav sent him and has given me permission to share them here.

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Bob may find the autokinetic illusion useful for understanding the perception of motion in a dark desert environment. The effect is amplified unconsciously by social influence as well
The autokinetic effect (also referred to as autokinesisand the autokinetic illusion) is a phenomenon of visual perception in which a stationary, small point of light in an otherwise dark or featureless environment appears to move.[1]​ […] It is presumed to occur because motion perception is always relative to some reference point, and in darkness or in a featureless environment there is no reference point, so the position of the single point is undefined. The direction of the movements does not appear to be correlated with involuntary eye movements, but may be determined by errors between eye position and that specified by efference copy of the movement signals sent to the extraocular muscles. […]

The amplitude of the movements is also undefined. Individual observers set their own frames of reference to judge amplitude (and possibly direction). Because the phenomenon is labile, it has been used to show the effects of social influence or suggestion on judgements. For example, if an observer who would otherwise say the light is moving one foot overhears another observer say the light is moving one yard, then the first observer will report that the light moved one yard. Discovery of the influence of suggestion on the autokinetic effect is often attributed to Sherif (1935), but it was recorded by Adams (1912), if not others.[citation needed]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autokinetic_effect
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