Trump's inadvertent hat-tip to Stalin

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Joseph Stalin — 'Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/02/us/politics/trump-nationalize-elections.html
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President Trump called in a new interview for the Republican Party to "nationalize" voting in the United States, an aggressive rhetorical step that was likely to raise new worries about his administration's efforts to involve itself in election matters.

During an extended monologue about immigration on a podcast released on Monday by Dan Bongino, his former deputy F.B.I. director, Mr. Trump called for Republican officials to "take over" voting procedures in 15 states, though he did not name them.

"The Republicans should say, 'We want to take over,'" he said. "We should take over the voting, the voting in at least many — 15 places. The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting."
Given what he's got away with so far, I can't rule it out, despite it being as out there as his third term rhetoric.
 
Unconstitutional and guaranteed to provoke a crisis. OTOH this is the sort of careless excess that could cause a major segment of his libertarian base to jump ship. Federal overreach has been a key motivator for them for generations generating multiple conspiracy theories themselves.
 
Unconstitutional and guaranteed to provoke a crisis. OTOH this is the sort of careless excess that could cause a major segment of his libertarian base to jump ship. Federal overreach has been a key motivator for them for generations generating multiple conspiracy theories themselves.
How many jumped ship over tariffs? How many jumped ship over Venezuela? How many jumped ship over Iran? How many jumped ship over NG deployments to US cities?

Any "Libertarian" who has supported the current Admin since 21 Jan 2025 is lying one way or the other.
 
How many jumped ship over tariffs? How many jumped ship over Venezuela? How many jumped ship over Iran? How many jumped ship over NG deployments to US cities?

Any "Libertarian" who has supported the current Admin since 21 Jan 2025 is lying one way or the other.
Mostly to themselves.
 
Joseph Stalin — 'Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.'
At risk of immediately pigeonholing myself: this sounded odd to me as a Stalin quote. Politifact says a similar quote was attributed to Stalin by Boris Bazhanov, his former secretary. Apparently, historians consider Bazhanov to be unreliable. Even if genuine, the vote being mentioned was an internal Party vote, not a general election. https://www.politifact.com/factchec...eph-stalin-didnt-say-statement-about-electio/

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Mark Kramer, director of the Cold War studies program at Harvard University, pointed us to something close. In memoirs written after his retirement, Boris Bazhanov, Stalin's former personal secretary, claimed that Stalin said: "Я считаю, что совершенно неважно, кто и как будет в партии голосовать; но вот что чрезвычайно важно, это кто и как будет считать голоса." It translates to: "I regard it as completely unimportant who in the party will vote and how, but it is extremely important who will count the votes and how."

Bazhanov said Stalin was talking about the voting procedures for higher organs of the Communist Party, according to Kramer.

"There is no way to know for sure whether he is accurately recounting Stalin's words, if Stalin in fact said such a thing," Kramer said. "Hence, I regard this as a statement attributed to Stalin by his former secretary Boris Bazhanov."

David Brandenberger, an associate history professor at the University of Richmond, said Bazhanov fled the Soviet Union in 1928 and then published his "rather unreliable muckraking memoir in 1930."

"Most experts consider Bazhanov's Stalin quotation to be apocryphal," he said.
 
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At risk of immediately pigeonholing myself: this sounded odd to me as a Stalin quote.
You've pigeonholed yourself as someone who has a keen nose and likes digging to get details, and that I very much approve of. However, the association stands, even if it's apocryphal.
 
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