Claim: "They're eating the dogs" - Trump / Harris Presidential Debate '24

Giddierone

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At last night's presidential debate, 10 September 2024, Republican candidate Donald Trump made a claim that immigrants to the US are eating people's pet dogs and cats in towns across the US.

Is there any evidence of this?

Transcript of the answer section which includes the claim (bold added):
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DAVID MUIR: We're going to turn now to immigration and border security. We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats, voters across the board in this country. Vice President Harris, you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America. We know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration. This past June, President Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions. We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly. But my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act and would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this?
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: First let me respond as to the rallies. She said people start leaving. People don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go. And the people that do go, she's busing them in and paying them to be there. And then showing them in a different light. So, she can't talk about that. People don't leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. That's because people want to take their country back. Our country is being lost. We're a failing nation. And it happened three and a half years ago. And what, what's going on here, you're going to end up in World War 3, just to go into another subject. What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country. And look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk -- not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country. And it's a shame. As far as rallies are concerned, as far -- the reason they go is they like what I say. They want to bring our country back. They want to make America great again. It's a very simple phrase. Make America great again. She's destroying this country. And if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success. Not only success. We'll end up being Venezuela on steroids.
Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542
 
Giddierone said:
At last night's presidential debate, 10 September 2024, Republican candidate Donald Trump made a claim that immigrants to the US are eating people's pet dogs and cats in towns across the US.

Is there any evidence of this?
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What do you think?
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In a statement on Tuesday, a Springfield police spokesperson said, "In response to recent rumors alleging criminal activity by the immigrant population in our city, we wish to clarify that there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community."

BODYCAM VIDEO

Some social media posts present bodycam footage of a woman's arrest in Canton, Ohio for killing and eating a cat to support the online narratives, but Canton, Ohio police spokesperson Dennis Garren said in an email: "The suspect in this case is not a Haitian immigrant," "She is a life long Canton resident."

The graphic video, viewable on YouTube, shows the Aug. 16 arrest of Allexis Telia Ferrell, who allegedly killed and ate a cat in Canton. Stark County Commons Pleas Court records for Ferrell shows she was charged with cruelty to companion animals.
Presumably Ms. Ferrell ate her own cat?

It's a dehumanizing propaganda tactic.
Truth is irrelevant to the propagandists. Their truth is whatever fits their agenda.
 
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I wonder why he didn't also mention the ducks?

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During the debate, Donald Trump repeated an unsubstantiated claim that immigrants are eating pets in an Ohio town, forcing the moderator to tell him that there is no proof of that.

"In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats," said Trump during the debate. "They're eating the pets of the people that live there."

As Alice Herman reports

Trump's claims about immigrants allegedly killing and eating the pets of US citizens originated, apparently, with a viral video of a resident of Springfield, Ohio, claiming before the town's council that immigrants in the community had killed ducks from a local park for food. The unsubstantiated and inflammatory video was shared widely on rightwing accounts, evolving quickly into a viral meme featuring AI-generated images of Trump surrounded by cats and dogs, appearing to protect them.
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As our Fact Check makes clear:

The story of migrants allegedly eating pets has circulated in rightwing media in recent days and been repeated by Trump's running mate JD Vance. These are false and unsubstantiated claims.

"You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," moderator David Muir told Trump.

The Springfield News-Sun reported on Monday that police have "received no reports related to pets being stolen and eaten".
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Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-us-presidential-debate-reaction-news-updates
 
Mendel said:
Article:
In a statement on Tuesday, a Springfield police spokesperson said, Some social media posts present bodycam footage of a woman's arrest in Canton, Ohio for killing and eating a cat to support the online narratives, but Canton, Ohio police spokesperson Dennis Garren said in an email: "The suspect in this case is not a Haitian immigrant," "She is a life long Canton resident."
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Won't someone in a position of power in Ohio do anything about this wonton[*] lawlessness!??!
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(*I'm presuming she made cat dumplings, no?)

It's a dehumanizing propaganda tactic.
Truth is irrelevant to the propagandists. Their truth is whatever fits their agenda.
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Indeed. This is just like the identification of the Southport, UK, stabbing perpetrator as a muslim in July. Facts don't matter, just make shit up to achieve your goals.

Also seen just in the last day or so, a Russian army recruitment poster showing a brave Russian soldier carrying a poor Russian child rescued from the horrors of Ukrainian aggression (IIRC with an implication it was recent and in Kursk). The factcheck almost immediately after that image was posted showed how it was a crop of an image of a Ukrainian soldier rescuing a Ukrainian kid after a Russian bombing in the south east back in 2022.

Bare faced lies are now just another acceptable tool in the toolkit, to some.
 
Looks likes Vance is prepared to get his teeth into the matter:

http://pic.twitter.com/S0NG02Ci2S
[EDIT - ^ that's a video link, not sure why the site hasn't embedded it automagically]

When challenged with the lack of evidence, the response is little better than "I know people who have reported seeing it"
That seems to be an oft-repeated pattern.

So as to not violate paraphrasing rules, here's my hasty transcript of most of the relevant parts:
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No-one has spread false claims. What they've said is that small migrant community [...] has led to a lot of problems. It's led to high rates of communicable diseases, that's a verifiable fact. It's led to animals disappearing, many of my constituents have said that's been happening. ...
And when probed further on immigrants eating animals, and how city officials have said that's not true:
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City officials have said that's not true. They s...that's not actually accurate. What they said is there's no evidence ... The city manager said there's no verifiable evidence. A lot of residents on the ground have said there is. That just says that the city manager isn't fully in touch with what's going on on the ground there. I've heard from many of my own constituents who have seen these things with their own eyes, who've seen these abductions with their own eyes, who've seen geese being taken out of local parks and slaughtered in front of their eyes. ...
 
Giddierone said:
I wonder why he didn't also mention the ducks?
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it's geese. a few years ago our towns asked residents to shoot the black head (Canadian) geese because there was some over population problem. so killing geese is probably ok. (plus geese arent other people's property)

besides the photo circulating on the internet was from Columbus, not Springfield.
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What's in the photo?
The man's photo depicts a person carrying a seemingly dead goose down Cleveland Avenue in Columbus. A Google Street View of the photo's background shows the photo was taken in Columbus, and not Springfield as some right-wing accounts have claimed.


There's a 911 call circulating on internet too, about 4 people carrying 4 geese, but that could be AI generated.

It is likely the people of Springfield are lying about their cats being strung up from trees like deer and migrants killing geese in the parks, as from the town hall meetings they sound very frustrated. apparently there have been alot of traffic accidents (allegedly by migrants) causing allegedly raised insurance rates, and allegedly a child was killed<by a car.
 
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I would be very surprised if any firm evidence emerges linking immigrant populations to eating pets.
In any large representative group of people, there will be some who are in extreme poverty, deeply disturbed or mentally ill (just as there will be some who commit crimes), but even if there were a proven instance of the behaviour described by candidate Trump, it wouldn't make sense to think everyone else of that nationality or ethnicity does/ wants to do the same.

However, nonsensical blaming of others, or attributing negative stereotypes, is a bias we all might be vulnerable to at times,
and it is sometimes exploited for political ends.

There might well be real cases of people taking ducks or geese from public ponds etc., but I think it has also become something of an urban myth (not normally connected to immigrants).
I've heard a few tales, usually set in London parks, of people tempting a duck towards them with bread and then, quick as a flash, grabbing the bird and shoving it into a bag. Strangely, the birdnapper is always either a generic "sweet little old lady" or a statuesque, well-dressed woman of dignified appearance and impassive expression (except during the lightning-fast grab).
To my surprise I couldn't find any supporting info for this being a myth after a quick search, but found this on Reddit:


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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/zmxdnt/a_fowl_tale_i_watched_a_lady_try_to_steal_a_duck/


Maybe these incidents really happened, but I was aware of the similar (and maybe apocryphal) London-based stories many years before these two (circa 2022).

And there's the old joke,
a man is being sentenced by the judge for poaching a swan.
The judge delivers his sentence, and then
"...But with this business done Mr Smith, I can't help wondering, what did it taste like?"

The offender replies,
"Funny you should ask that, Your Honour. It was somewhere between corgi and peacock."
 
yoshy said:
This "immigrants eating pets" lie is the most appalling, openly racist claim to be spread by a large amount of a mainstream political party. I can't believe it's not a massive, career ending scandal for anyone spreading it.
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It's an old trope. When the Vietnamese immigrants were coming over in the early '80s, they were accused of stealing and eating people's cats
"Save a dog, eat a refugee"
(Excerpt from The Choking Doberman via Google Books).
 
yoshy said:
This "immigrants eating pets" lie is the most appalling, openly racist claim to be spread by a large amount of a mainstream political party. I can't believe it's not a massive, career ending scandal for anyone spreading it.
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worse than calling them rapists, eh?
 
Todd Feinman said:
It's an old trope. When the Vietnamese immigrants were coming over in the early '80s, they were accused of stealing and eating people's cats
"Save a dog, eat a refugee"
(Excerpt from The Choking Doberman via Google Books).
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I'm aware that similar or even worse rumors (e.g. blood libel) have existed, but has anything this extreme been spread by a former president/current candidate and other high level party members (e.g. Ted Cruz)?

Edit: @Mendel answered my question already
 
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/09/10/haitian-immigrants-eat-less-kittens-billboards/
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cats-ducks-haitians-springfield/
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Since 2011, Haitian citizens residing in the United States have qualified for what immigration officials refer to as Temporary Protected Status. This designation allows qualified Haitians to remain in the United States and obtain employment authorizations. On July 1, 2024, the Biden Administration renewed this status until at least February 2026.

Because of this fact, it is broadly untrue that these Haitian immigrants are "illegal aliens" as Vance and others have alleged. Due to their Temporary Protected Status, their presence and employment in the country is generally legal. In general, Haitians sought out Springfield, via word of mouth, due to the perceived availability of jobs in the region, not because Biden "sent them there."
They're not even illegal aliens.
 
Well, in 2007 we had an infamous case in Sweden with a woman in her 60s who was caught having 11 swans in her 28 m2 ​apartment: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/6nqB13/hade-elva-svanar-i-lagenhet

Summary of the article: The neighbours had called the cops because of a strange smell and the cops went in thinking she was dead, but instead of her remains they found eleven swans. The woman had been seen feeding birds, especially swans, over the years, and had also been seen carrying swans. The swans were mostly in good health, but a few had to be euthanized.


In another article they made an interview with her and she had apparently run her own extremely unofficial (and under Swedish law, illegal) swan rehab for years. She claimed that she "usually didn't have that many swans at home" and that she did it out of love for swans and that she would not quit, in her words, "helping" them.


My opinion as a conservation biologist is that she did come close to having the proper know-how or facilities for rehabbing swans, and I suspect that most of the swans she helped weren't even in need of it in the first place.

We have also had a few rather high-profile cases of people killing lots of cats and putting out homemade buns/other food items with metal or glass in them in dog parks and even two cases of someone killing thousands of spruce trees.

People do weird and horrible stuff to other living things all the time. Very rarely does this kind av norm-breaking behaviour have to do with their country of origin. Blaming pet disappearances on a certain ethnic group eating them is just racist bullshit and a moral panic.
 
Mendel said:
They're not even illegal aliens.
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That's the point I was going to make. On reddit this morning there was a push to rationalize Trump's claims of mass pet-consumption by pointing to a single incident where the suspect was repeatedly identified as Haitian, to which people were posting this Gannett fact-check in response: https://www.aol.com/fact-check-ohio-woman-accused-184439362.html

In reality, there was no reason to assume the woman was an immigrant, let alone an illegal one. According to this story, the incident occured in Canton, not Springfield; and she'd first been arrested in Canton in 2011, ten years before Biden was even president, so she couldn't possibly have been "brought in" by Biden's policies; and police believed she was an American citizen.
 
Spring of 2016 was the last time I believed that DJT was 1/3 as intelligent as the media had portrayed him.

A thousand moments since have me completely convinced that he is a Forrest Gump IQ
(but w/ racism, business criminality, sexual criminality, militant narcissism & treason, none of which Gump had).

Yes, it was jaw dropping to hear a candidate for president utter something so
ridiculous--and already debunked--in a nationally televised debate.
And yes, it seems like he and his party are changing the rules, for how low you can play the political game.

But, as I watched it, I saw a Trump who (worse then just playing ugly, racist politics)
was actually dumb enough to believe (in part because he wants to believe) what he was saying.

"But the people on television say their dog was eaten by the people that went there," was his response
when Muir fact-checked him, and I think Trump thinks that an entirely unsubstantiated comment
he sees on TV actually is serious evidence that those dark people are doing evil things.
And, helpfully, it fits his world view that immigrants--aside, supposedly from the ones he keeps marrying--are to be feared and attacked.

Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542


In other words, while I think most normal people saw a moment of absurd, racist, low politicking,
I saw a a grown man, with the mind of a child, displaying his utter gullibility and lack of intelligence.
And I wish Harris had done more to prod America to consider if such a child should have the
nuclear codes.
 
jdog said:
To quote Trump from the ABC transcript: "In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there."
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if they were all eating cats and dogs, all the time, there'd be like 2 million missing animals by now.

the estimates are 15,000-20,000 Haitians in Springfield. even if half of them only ate 1 thats still 10,000 dogs and cats .
 
Giddierone said:
Is there any evidence of this?
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I'm very familiar with Springfield, as my mother lived there for about forty years before her death and I visited frequently.
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"The Haitians who are here are hardworking people," (Ohio Governor Mike) DeWine said. "They have families, and they care about their families and they care about their children. "They came to Springfield, Ohio, for work, and many, many, many of them are filling positions in Springfield."

Haitians who came to the U.S. arrived legally through a Biden administration program that aims to help migrants flee violence in certain countries. Springfield officials have said local businesses recruited Haitians to fill jobs that local residents wouldn't take.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2024/09/10/springfield-haitian-influx-prompts-action-from-ohio-gov-mike-dewine/75161183007/#:~:text=Haitians who came to the U.S. arrived legally,to fill jobs that local residents wouldn't take.

But some people are using an accident as an excuse to foment trouble, in which a child, Aiden Clark, was killed when an unlicensed Haitian driver hit his school bus. The parents of the child are vociferously protesting the politicization of his death.
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We felt it would be in our best interest to be here after recent comments.

You know, I wish that my son, Aiden Clark, was killed by a 60-year-old white man. I bet you never thought anyone would ever say something so blunt. But if that guy killed my 11-year-old son, the incessant group of hate-spewing people would leave us alone.

The last thing that we need is to have the worst day of our lives, violently and constantly shoved in our faces. But even that's not good enough for them. They take it one step further. They make it seem as though our wonderful Aiden appreciates your hate. That we should follow their hate.

And look what you've done to us. We have to get up here and beg them to stop. Using Aiden as a political tool is, to say the least, reprehensible for any political purpose. And speaking of morally bankrupt…politicians Bernie Marino, Chip Roy, JD Vance and Donald Trump then spoke in my son's name and used his death for political gain. This needs to stop now.

They can vomit all the hate they want about illegal immigrants. The border crisis, and even untrue claims about fluffy pets being ravaged and eaten by community members. However, they are not allowed, nor have they ever been allowed, to mention Aiden Clark from Springfield, Ohio. I will listen to them one more time to hear their apologies.

To clear the air, my son, Aiden Clark, was not murdered. He was accidentally killed by an immigrant from Haiti. This tragedy is felt all over this community, this state and even the nation. But don't spin this towards hate.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/aiden-clark-parents-condemn-son-162530316.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
 
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yoshy said:
This "immigrants eating pets" lie is the most appalling, openly racist claim to be spread by a large amount of a mainstream political party. I can't believe it's not a massive, career ending scandal for anyone spreading it.
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A little context might be in order. A number of videos have surfaced in recent days of Trump's VP candidate JD Vance criticizing women for voting for Democrats, to be specific, what he refers to as "childless cat ladies". It's been a PR disaster, as women were already voting overwhelmingly for democrats. My opinion (and this is just my opinion, but it fits what is known so far) is that the "they're eating your cats" nonsense was dreamed up as a talking point in an attempt to convert cat-lovers to vote Republican, throwing in the immigrant stuff for good measure.

Immediately after last night's debate, popular singer Taylor Swift came out with an endorsement of Kamala Harris, and signed it "Childless cat lady". The effect was huge, and immediate.

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Taylor Swift's post endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris for the White House on Tuesday drove at least 337,826 users to visit the site vote.gov, a sign of the potential effect her decision to speak out could have on November's election.

Vote.gov is run by a federal agency known as the General Services Administration, in partnership with the U.S. Election Assistance Commission. The site includes information about how to register to vote and cast a ballot, and directs users to state sites where they can register.

In an Instagram post after the presidential debate between Harris and former President Donald Trump, Swift wrote that she would be voting for Harris and Gov. Tim Walz, her Democratic running mate. She urged her fans to do their own research and make their voices heard in November.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taylor-swift-kamala-harris-endorsement-vote-gov/
 
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NoParty said:
And, of course, [Trump responded] "...she'll probably pay a price for it..."
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I am no fan of his at all, but to be fair, the quote continued for a few more words:

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...she'll probably pay a price for it in the marketplace.
That is a bit less sinister! He does enough, in my opinion more than enough, to stir up trouble and chaos -- there is no need to make this one sound worse than it is. He clearly meant that he thinks/hopes it will cost her in record sales and such. He has certainly said plenty of really strange, incoherent stuff in recent weeks
 
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JMartJr said:
I am no fan of his at all, but to be fair, the quote continued for a few more words:

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...she'll probably pay a price for it in the marketplace.
That is a bit less sinister! He does enough, in my opinion more than enough, to stir up trouble and chaos -- there is no need to make this one sound worse than it is. He clearly meant that he thinks/hopes it will cost her in record sales and such. He has certainly said plenty of really strange, incoherent stuff in recent weeks
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Well, yes, I agree that the "marketplace" makes it slightly less ominous.

But I think you might be giving him too much credit: Last night he stressed the one time on January 6 that he suggested his followers be peaceful, and left out the seventeen times he told them they needed to "fight."

In other words, he's used to hiding behind "the quiet part" to pretend that the other part wasn't so ugly.
Will MAGA followers remember the "marketplace" part...or just that Swift "will pay" ? I'd wager on the latter.

So, yeah, that's why I didn't add the marketplace part. The source didn't seem to think it was key, either:
"Donald Trump Says Taylor Swift Will 'Pay a Price' for Endorsing Kamala Harris"
 
NoParty said:
In other words, he's used to hiding behind "the quiet part" to pretend that the other part wasn't so ugly.
Will MAGA followers remember the "marketplace" part...or just that Swift "will pay" ? I'd wager on the latter.
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It's already happening.

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"It's like, Taylor Swift, you are a young, pretty girl. Do you know what the gang members from Venezuela do to young, pretty girls? It ain't pretty.

"We have to keep waking people up. It's the only chance we have in these last 50 days." – Homocon Dave Rubin, who is among the far-right podcasters named by the Justice Department as having been secretly paid by Kremlin propagandists.
https://www.joemygod.com/2024/09/ho...aped-by-venezuelan-gangs-if-trump-doesnt-win/


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yB1mODvEFw&t=3504s
 
I don't think it warrants another thread, but I was shocked that after weeks of arguing about
mics being on or off, the moderators just let Trump start (or continue) talking whenever he wanted.
I've always said that almost anyone can "win" a debate if they're allowed to constantly interrupt or
talk over their opponent. At one point DJT could be seen to be talking, but his mic was off, per the rules.
I thought: "Okay, well there's the downside of insisting that mics be off when it's not your turn!"
And then my jaw dropped as ABC turned his mic on so he could break the rules. :0

After Trump just rudely demanded the floor when it wasn't his 4 or 5 times, I began to wonder if
there would be any accountability...was anyone watching the clock to make sure speaking time was even?
Would Harris speak up? Interestingly, after watching ABC cave to Trump's demand to to speak, 4 or 5 times, whether or not it was his turn, Harris tried to do it once. She was immediately and emphatically shut down:

"VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS: The former president has said something twice and I need to respond too. I just need to respond one time to what he has said multiple times.

LINSEY DAVIS (ABC): I'm sorry, we're going to move on, Vice President Harris."

Turns out that NYT did take a stopwatch to the debate: Trump time: 43:03. Harris time 37:41.
So, for being rude and breaking the rules, ABC rewarded Trump with more than 5 minutes more time!
That's some nice privilege.
So why aren't the Dems the ones screaming that the moderators were unfair?
Well, because the consensus was that Harris won the debate by a large margin, implying that Trump
was hurting himself, the more he spoke. Thus Harris would be a fool to complain about the end result.

Still, it's not cool to spend weeks agreeing on rules, and then cave just because one person has
no respect for them, and little self control.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542
 

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NoParty said:
The source didn't seem to think it was key, either:
"Donald Trump Says Taylor Swift Will 'Pay a Price' for Endorsing Kamala Harris"
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That's an editorial decision reflecting the source's bias:
Article:
Overall, we rate People Magazine Left Biased based on editorial positions and political news reporting that favors the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact-check record.

Your point would be valid if you had selected a source with a neutral or Trump-friendly bias.

[Edit: correct source]
 
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Mendel said:
That's an editorial decision reflecting the source's bias:
Article:
Overall, we rate People Magazine Left Biased based on editorial positions and political news reporting that favors the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact-check record.

Your point would be valid if you had selected a source with a neutral or Trump-friendly bias.

[Edit: correct source]
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Hmmm...you're kind of reaching, here, yes?
I've never thought People Magazine was enough of anything to wonder about a possible political bias.
They were just the first ones in my Google search to have the quote.
I don't always agree with Media Bias/Fact Check, but yes, fwiw, they judge People as highly credible &
a little closer to left center than left.

The second source that Google gave me was The Economic Times, which, fwiw, Media Bias/Fact Check
judges to be "Right Center" though two levels (??) less credible, at "MIXED."
Their headline is "Donald Trump says Taylor Swift 'will pay the price' for backing Kamala Harris."

Of course, we may be in a position some day to ask someone who was very angry at Ms. Swift,
if he remembers the "marketplace" bit.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/people-magazine/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/
 
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Mendel said:
That's an editorial decision reflecting the source's bias:
Article:
Overall, we rate People Magazine Left Biased based on editorial positions and political news reporting that favors the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact-check record.

Your point would be valid if you had selected a source with a neutral or Trump-friendly bias.

[Edit: correct source]
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Google not working for you today?

Top page of search results, Sky News:
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Donald Trump says Taylor Swift will 'probably pay a price' for endorsing Kamala Harris after debate
-- https://news.sky.com/story/donald-t...endorsing-kamala-harris-after-debate-13212693
 
It works both ways, such is the joy of dog whistling.

All media says the messages the dog whistler wanted to purvey, but for different reasons.
 
NoParty said:
But I think you might be giving him too much credit: Last night he stressed the one time on January 6 that he suggested his followers be peaceful, and left out the seventeen times he told them they needed to "fight."
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I don't think I am giving him "too much credit." But I am aware of a strong bias against the man, on my part, and in the spirit of MetaBunk I am trying to be fair in spite of it! I contend that there is no need to truncate a quote, as was done in the headline, to make it look like he said some unhinged and unacceptable thing. He does so often enough and to a large enough extreme that there is no need to manufacture examples, such as People did in this case.

In this particular case, and unusually, I would tend to agree with him -- taking sides in a political fight where the populace is so closely and intensely divided might well cost her some sales. Fortunately for her, she can afford it! And who knows, it might increase sales among the half of the population she's aligning with.

Trump being Trump, he may well come back to that line again (and again and again) and he may drop the "marketplace" bit or otherwise make it more threatening. If he does, he should be called on it.
 
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