1. igoddard

    igoddard Active Member

    TTSA just announced...

    https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/b...akes-groundbreaking-metamaterials-acquisition and http://archive.is/VxZtZ

    Huh, so... "The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application," and also, "We currently have multiple material samples being analyzed by contracted laboratories." So we know they are extraordinary materials and we're having them analyzed to see if they are.
  2. Mechanik

    Mechanik Member

    I like the “varying levels of chain-of-custody documentation”. Let me predict that this topic is never brought up again.
  3. igoddard

    igoddard Active Member

    Right! Lol. And despite promises, they never provided chain-of-custody documentation for the videos. The closest we got was the DD-1910 form Elizondo filed, but that was provided by the Las Vegas Now I-Team, not TTSA.

    John Greenewald noticed that the photo they used with this press release is a stock image of malachite. Like why on earth would you use a photo of something ordinary as a stand-in for something allegedly extraordinary? But TTSA may have posted a photo of the actual alleged extraordinary material...

    It's obviously not a material machined to be the surface of an aircraft. It's shape looks very irregular and random. It's probably an industrial waste byproduct as has been suggested before, see for example a link below that tweet.
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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I think in one of the TTSA videos it was suggested that it had been in a crash. However the internal structure does not look like it's simply been bent. It looks like that's the way it was created.
    onstellar_875e7dec015036f74e2c37bb72e64b29. BismuthTopBottomQuarterByClewell.

    Reminds me very much of layers of paint, although much more regular.

    Metabunk 2019-07-30 07-47-40.

    I'm not sure about how the Betterton-Krohl Process explanation is supposed to work. The Betterton-Krohl Process
    Perhaps it might be during the seperation stage using chlorine? It would seem you'd need it in liquid or vapor form to get layers like that.
  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Sputter deposition has also been suggested. This is an interesting comment from Vikto Golubic:
    "Arts Parts" refers to a collection of objects that was supposedly anonymously sent to Art Bell.


    A sputtering target looks like:

    Quite the coincidence! Although it's a bit a stretch to say this IS a sputtering target, as it just looks like a machined disc, with rather more irregular machining than the disks. I can find examples of machined disks in my office:
    Metabunk 2019-07-30 08-17-31.

    The "vent" material is very interesting:

    That's a much more specific look. Very similar to air-conditiong vents, but on a dollhouse scale.
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  6. qed

    qed Senior Member

    I am not quite understanding what the TTSA are claiming: ""The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application."

    Are they saying these materials were produced by some method currently unknown to humans?
    Where do they say they sourced them from?
  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    They are saying they have not figured out what they are.

    They sourced them from Art Bell, who got them from an anonymous source who send them to him in the 1990s.
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  8. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    the vents are going in different directions. almost like you're supposed to cut them out individually and use them for something else.
  9. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's possible it is a dollhouse accessory, a version of this, intended to be cut into individual registers
    Seems unlikely, but not impossible.

    I've looked through lots of "aluminum perforated sheet" type image results, not seen anything similar
    Metabunk 2019-07-31 09-45-22.
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  10. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    or maybe even the 'louvres' are meant to be individual parts? you know like those gold things you hammer into picture frames? Not those of course as those have nail teeth and bell's 'vents' look super shoddily made.

    I think retro kitchens had wall vents. but seems like too many louvres for the size.
  11. qed

    qed Senior Member

    Surely every object except for the layered-thing can clearly be manufactured with 90's tech? Ie., there is nothing mysterious about any of these objects except possible for the layered-thing?
  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Sure, but it seems more likely they were found objects than deliberately hoaxed objects. So finding out what mundane objects they actually are would settle it more conclusively than saying "someone could have made that"
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  13. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    From Reddit:

    Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/ckaja9/sheet_of_tiny_vents_supposedly_ufo_related/evladsl/

    Some kind of thermal radiant barrier is interesting. There's some similar things if you look for "radiant barrier" in attics or greenhouses.
    Metabunk 2019-07-31 10-42-20.
  14. Clouds Givemethewillies

    Clouds Givemethewillies Active Member

    Not unlike a component part used for making miniature venetian-blind dynodes, used in photomultipliers.
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  15. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    they are the perfect size for 1/4 scale dollhouse shutters. (or maybe even cupola windows) but everything im seeing is wood.
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  16. igoddard

    igoddard Active Member

    Here's another photo TTSA posted, this to their facebook...


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  17. Clouds Givemethewillies

    Clouds Givemethewillies Active Member

    I missed out on dollhouses, but I had Bako. It ain't it.
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  18. itsthematrix

    itsthematrix New Member

    Interesting. I get a fossilized dinosaur eggshell vibe from it.
  19. Mick West

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  20. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    each vent is only like 3/8" or 1/4" long. (if they were bigger they would be super cute vents for birdhouses!)
  21. Mick West

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  22. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    they could possibly also be for salesmen's displays of some gizmo. I don't know if salesmen still use those types of things, but they used to have mini versions of whatever they were selling to carry around to companies.. or as point of purchase displays so the customer can see it small.
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  23. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's entirely possible it's something very obscure, used in fairly rare machines, like lab equipment or something. But given all the similar kinds of things, there nothing really to indicate it's of alien origin.
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  24. igoddard

    igoddard Active Member

    DeLong posted another photo of the so-called Exotic Material "with advanced capabilities." LOL big time!

    That last one is priceless, closing with: "INVEST NOW"

    Replies to them (methinks he doesn't know how to thread tweets) are hilarious, not only is almost nobody buying this, but people who they've been stringing along are clearly getting an uneasy feeling due to these tweets. They are comically ill-conceived and nicely reflect the quality of all TTSA output to date.
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  25. Gerard

    Gerard Member

    It really makes you wonder what their game is. Is there really enough money in selling discredited UFO theories to the public to entice well-respected people with good paying jobs to do something like this ?
  26. igoddard

    igoddard Active Member

    The exotic-material story is so unsustainable. Unlike mystery over grainy footage or witness accounts of wild events, this has a logical end point and harsh expiration date of the objects they posses fail to perform as promised. DeLong is saying the material has "advanced capabilities," that it acts as "Wave Guides" and allows "mass reduction." They can't be saying that in 10 years and not have proved it by then and expect to sustain support from respected people. So it's practically a suicide mission on their part. So ya, that raises the question as to why they'd do it.

    And think about it... What would people do who have materials with revolutionary capabilities like mass reduction? They would not be panhandling for money. That would be the last thing they'd be doing. This has all the indications of a scam.

    Here are archive links for DeLong's tweets above: (1/2) http://archive.is/AlhDw (2/2) http://archive.is/p1JoY
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  27. Doesn't seem to bother TTSA and others.

    Elizondo was was pushing the metamaterials on Tucker Carlson's show last night:

    Also, TTSA filed a few documents with the SEC on 9/27/2019. One includes an Asset Purchase Agreement beteen TTSA and Delonge:

  28. igoddard

    igoddard Active Member

    Interesting closing there. Tucker asks him if the materials came from people who found them at the site of a UFO incident, and Elizondo replies, yes, in some cases, but that he can't say more due to non-disclosure agreements (NDAs). So almost anytime he happens to get a question that seeks to probe deeper than his surface claims, he pulls an NDA. He's previously rebuffed questions by citing his being bound by military-secrecy requirements. Extraordinary claims backed not by extraordinary evidence, but by appeals to secrecy. How unbelievably unbelievable!

    Notice also he's saying there are numerous cases from which materials are derived, some from private citizens and some from governmental sources. Yet they only keep showing photos of one piece of a layered material. I guess because some sources are hidden under NDAs, there's no verifiable chain of custody.

    Another Fox News report says:
    @ https://www.foxnews.com/media/suspected-ufo-material-pentagon-official

    Ya right, I'll believe that when I see their extraordinary claims verified in a top-tier peer-reviewed physics journal.
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  29. Some people just have the gift to be able to talk endlessly without actually saying anything.

    Hadn't see this presentation image before:


    Also, Whitely Strieber's writing again about TTSA's metamaterials, AKA Art's Parts, just yesterday. This is not new information, I think it's the exact same thing he said 20 years ago:


    Has it really been over 2 decades and this is still the only "scientific" analysis ever presented on UFO metamaterials?
  30. And today we get a fresh new dangling carrot:

    What does that mean, an exact layer?
  31. Nth

    Nth Member

    Urgh, some days I really wish that DeLonge would just stick to music. He's actually quite good at that. :p

    This isn't to say that what DeLonge is claiming is legit, but I can't grasp why somebody who's well-liked, has a pretty substantial fanbase (myself included, Angels and Airwaves are a great band), and by all accounts isn't having money troubles would be knowingly scamming people. Is it just wishful thinking and wanting something to be true?
  32. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I think he means a layer like Philo dough and how the butter forms layers in the dough. It's also a thing rocks do.

  33. Yum. The emphasis on "EXACT", though? What's wrong with just layers?

    I'm clearly not a materials science guy, is that supposed to imply there's no "glue" holding the 3 elements together?
  34. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know. But don't forget DeLong is a layman. (and a boy band musician). I would probably call them 'exact layers' too, as opposed to say layers you see in rock cliffs showing different years. I would mean 'no glue' kinda, but no idea what Delong means. I think he means like shale foliated layers in rock. (or slag layers, which I think others think it is manufacturing slag layers).
  35. Of course, this is assuming TTSA talking about Art's Parts:

    Apparently Streiber wasn't the only one who got some tests done.

    There was some sort of "anonymous" university professor testing stuff at the behest of Linda Mouton Howe:


    There are a bunch of fancy images on her page.

    There's also this Youtube video where you can see someone performing a highly sophisticated scientific analysis on one of these bismuth magnesium pieces, basically zapping it with a lot of electricity until it starts bouncing around...or something.


    Because, as we know. all the world's great scientific analyses happen on the couch.

    They also stuck the pieces in water for 40 days or something for some reason...I didn't have the patience to watch and just scrolled through the video so maybe I missed something really important.
  36. So, as I'm sitting here finishing the second half of last night's movie, Rocketman, believe it or not, it suddenly occurred to me, this is kind of what actually happens around here.

    Just calling myself out. Carry on.
  37. So, barring the immediate insertion of a brain knowledge chip in applied physics and chemistry, as well as chemical, mechanical, civil and electrical engineering, I'm left to trawl the Twitter comments to Delonge's tweet to glean some understanding.

    Recent Tales from the Rabbit Hole interviewee "UFO Jesus" tweets out the logical question about the materials and gets some replies:

    Seems over my head enough to be acceptable, but is there someone here who can speak to the validity of these statements?

    Also, there's this little tidbit:

    I don't know, maybe I should stick to pushing pixels...
  38. And just like that, poof, tweet deleted.

    Here's the archive.org capture:

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  39. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the claim:

    is just nonsense. What we have here has not been demonstrated to be anything other than alternating thin layers of magnesium and bismuth (if that). Physical vapor deposition would do that just fine.