TTSA's Metamaterials

igoddard

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TTSA just announced...

https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/b...akes-groundbreaking-metamaterials-acquisition and http://archive.is/VxZtZ

Huh, so... "The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application," and also, "We currently have multiple material samples being analyzed by contracted laboratories." So we know they are extraordinary materials and we're having them analyzed to see if they are.
 

Mechanik

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I like the “varying levels of chain-of-custody documentation”. Let me predict that this topic is never brought up again.
 

igoddard

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I like the “varying levels of chain-of-custody documentation”. Let me predict that this topic is never brought up again.
Right! Lol. And despite promises, they never provided chain-of-custody documentation for the videos. The closest we got was the DD-1910 form Elizondo filed, but that was provided by the Las Vegas Now I-Team, not TTSA.

John Greenewald noticed that the photo they used with this press release is a stock image of malachite. Like why on earth would you use a photo of something ordinary as a stand-in for something allegedly extraordinary? But TTSA may have posted a photo of the actual alleged extraordinary material...


It's obviously not a material machined to be the surface of an aircraft. It's shape looks very irregular and random. It's probably an industrial waste byproduct as has been suggested before, see for example a link below that tweet.
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/a...-of-the-alien-metal-promoted-by-to-the-stars#
 
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Mick West

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It's obviously not a material machined to be the surface of an aircraft. It's shape looks very irregular and random.
I think in one of the TTSA videos it was suggested that it had been in a crash. However the internal structure does not look like it's simply been bent. It looks like that's the way it was created.
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Reminds me very much of layers of paint, although much more regular.

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I'm not sure about how the Betterton-Krohl Process explanation is supposed to work. The Betterton-Krohl Process
https://www.britannica.com/technology/Betterton-Kroll-process
Perhaps it might be during the seperation stage using chlorine? It would seem you'd need it in liquid or vapor form to get layers like that.
 

Mick West

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Sputter deposition has also been suggested. This is an interesting comment from Vikto Golubic:
https://silvarecord.com/2019/01/26/metamaterials-not-from-earth/#comment-1035
"Arts Parts" refers to a collection of objects that was supposedly anonymously sent to Art Bell.
https://web.archive.org/web/20010614020521/http://www.artbell.com/roscrash.html
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A sputtering target looks like:


Quite the coincidence! Although it's a bit a stretch to say this IS a sputtering target, as it just looks like a machined disc, with rather more irregular machining than the disks. I can find examples of machined disks in my office:
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The "vent" material is very interesting:
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That's a much more specific look. Very similar to air-conditiong vents, but on a dollhouse scale.
 
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qed

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I am not quite understanding what the TTSA are claiming: ""The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application."

Are they saying these materials were produced by some method currently unknown to humans?
Where do they say they sourced them from?
 

Mick West

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I am not quite understanding what the TTSA are claiming: ""The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application."

Are they saying these materials were produced by some method currently unknown to humans?
Where do they say they sourced them from?
They are saying they have not figured out what they are.

They sourced them from Art Bell, who got them from an anonymous source who send them to him in the 1990s.
 

qed

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Surely every object except for the layered-thing can clearly be manufactured with 90's tech? Ie., there is nothing mysterious about any of these objects except possible for the layered-thing?
 

Mick West

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Surely every object except for the layered-thing can clearly be manufactured with 90's tech? Ie., there is nothing mysterious about any of these objects except possible for the layered-thing?
Sure, but it seems more likely they were found objects than deliberately hoaxed objects. So finding out what mundane objects they actually are would settle it more conclusively than saying "someone could have made that"
 

igoddard

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Here's another photo TTSA posted, this to their facebook...



https://www.facebook.com/TTSAcademy/photos/a.1972178403050077/2371187703149143/
 
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igoddard

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DeLong posted another photo of the so-called Exotic Material "with advanced capabilities." LOL big time!



That last one is priceless, closing with: "INVEST NOW"

Replies to them (methinks he doesn't know how to thread tweets) are hilarious, not only is almost nobody buying this, but people who they've been stringing along are clearly getting an uneasy feeling due to these tweets. They are comically ill-conceived and nicely reflect the quality of all TTSA output to date.
 

Gerard

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It really makes you wonder what their game is. Is there really enough money in selling discredited UFO theories to the public to entice well-respected people with good paying jobs to do something like this ?
 

igoddard

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It really makes you wonder what their game is. Is there really enough money in selling discredited UFO theories to the public to entice well-respected people with good paying jobs to do something like this ?
The exotic-material story is so unsustainable. Unlike mystery over grainy footage or witness accounts of wild events, this has a logical end point and harsh expiration date of the objects they posses fail to perform as promised. DeLong is saying the material has "advanced capabilities," that it acts as "Wave Guides" and allows "mass reduction." They can't be saying that in 10 years and not have proved it by then and expect to sustain support from respected people. So it's practically a suicide mission on their part. So ya, that raises the question as to why they'd do it.

And think about it... What would people do who have materials with revolutionary capabilities like mass reduction? They would not be panhandling for money. That would be the last thing they'd be doing. This has all the indications of a scam.

Here are archive links for DeLong's tweets above: (1/2) http://archive.is/AlhDw (2/2) http://archive.is/p1JoY
 

Getoffthisplanet

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The exotic-material story is so unsustainable.
Doesn't seem to bother TTSA and others.

Elizondo was was pushing the metamaterials on Tucker Carlson's show last night:


Also, TTSA filed a few documents with the SEC on 9/27/2019. One includes an Asset Purchase Agreement beteen TTSA and Delonge:

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igoddard

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Doesn't seem to bother TTSA and others.

Elizondo was was pushing the metamaterials on Tucker Carlson's show last night:
Interesting closing there. Tucker asks him if the materials came from people who found them at the site of a UFO incident, and Elizondo replies, yes, in some cases, but that he can't say more due to non-disclosure agreements (NDAs). So almost anytime he happens to get a question that seeks to probe deeper than his surface claims, he pulls an NDA. He's previously rebuffed questions by citing his being bound by military-secrecy requirements. Extraordinary claims backed not by extraordinary evidence, but by appeals to secrecy. How unbelievably unbelievable!

Notice also he's saying there are numerous cases from which materials are derived, some from private citizens and some from governmental sources. Yet they only keep showing photos of one piece of a layered material. I guess because some sources are hidden under NDAs, there's no verifiable chain of custody.

Another Fox News report says:
@ https://www.foxnews.com/media/suspected-ufo-material-pentagon-official

Ya right, I'll believe that when I see their extraordinary claims verified in a top-tier peer-reviewed physics journal.
 
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Getoffthisplanet

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Some people just have the gift to be able to talk endlessly without actually saying anything.

Hadn't see this presentation image before:

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Also, Whitely Strieber's writing again about TTSA's metamaterials, AKA Art's Parts, just yesterday. This is not new information, I think it's the exact same thing he said 20 years ago:


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Has it really been over 2 decades and this is still the only "scientific" analysis ever presented on UFO metamaterials?
 

Nth

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Urgh, some days I really wish that DeLonge would just stick to music. He's actually quite good at that. :p

The exotic-material story is so unsustainable. Unlike mystery over grainy footage or witness accounts of wild events, this has a logical end point and harsh expiration date of the objects they posses fail to perform as promised. DeLong is saying the material has "advanced capabilities," that it acts as "Wave Guides" and allows "mass reduction." They can't be saying that in 10 years and not have proved it by then and expect to sustain support from respected people. So it's practically a suicide mission on their part. So ya, that raises the question as to why they'd do it.

And think about it... What would people do who have materials with revolutionary capabilities like mass reduction? They would not be panhandling for money. That would be the last thing they'd be doing. This has all the indications of a scam.

Here are archive links for DeLong's tweets above: (1/2) http://archive.is/AlhDw (2/2) http://archive.is/p1JoY
This isn't to say that what DeLonge is claiming is legit, but I can't grasp why somebody who's well-liked, has a pretty substantial fanbase (myself included, Angels and Airwaves are a great band), and by all accounts isn't having money troubles would be knowingly scamming people. Is it just wishful thinking and wanting something to be true?
 

deirdre

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Yum. The emphasis on "EXACT", though? What's wrong with just layers?

I'm clearly not a materials science guy, is that supposed to imply there's no "glue" holding the 3 elements together?
I don't know. But don't forget DeLong is a layman. (and a boy band musician). I would probably call them 'exact layers' too, as opposed to say layers you see in rock cliffs showing different years. I would mean 'no glue' kinda, but no idea what Delong means. I think he means like shale foliated layers in rock. (or slag layers, which I think others think it is manufacturing slag layers).
 

Getoffthisplanet

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Of course, this is assuming TTSA talking about Art's Parts:

Apparently Streiber wasn't the only one who got some tests done.

There was some sort of "anonymous" university professor testing stuff at the behest of Linda Mouton Howe:

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There are a bunch of fancy images on her page.

There's also this Youtube video where you can see someone performing a highly sophisticated scientific analysis on one of these bismuth magnesium pieces, basically zapping it with a lot of electricity until it starts bouncing around...or something.

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Because, as we know. all the world's great scientific analyses happen on the couch.

They also stuck the pieces in water for 40 days or something for some reason...I didn't have the patience to watch and just scrolled through the video so maybe I missed something really important.
 

Getoffthisplanet

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So, barring the immediate insertion of a brain knowledge chip in applied physics and chemistry, as well as chemical, mechanical, civil and electrical engineering, I'm left to trawl the Twitter comments to Delonge's tweet to glean some understanding.

Recent Tales from the Rabbit Hole interviewee "UFO Jesus" tweets out the logical question about the materials and gets some replies:






Seems over my head enough to be acceptable, but is there someone here who can speak to the validity of these statements?

Also, there's this little tidbit:


I don't know, maybe I should stick to pushing pixels...
 

Mick West

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Seems over my head enough to be acceptable, but is there someone here who can speak to the validity of these statements?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the claim:

is just nonsense. What we have here has not been demonstrated to be anything other than alternating thin layers of magnesium and bismuth (if that). Physical vapor deposition would do that just fine.
 

NESurf

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the claim:

is just nonsense. What we have here has not been demonstrated to be anything other than alternating thin layers of magnesium and bismuth (if that). Physical vapor deposition would do that just fine.
All evidence sure points to this stuff just being industrial slag, my own remaining question is: If I recall correctly, TTSA has made a point of noting that the thinness of the bismuth (1-4 microns) is exceptional. Would the Betterton-Kroll or vapor deposition process be able to produce such thin layers??
 

Mick West

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All evidence sure points to this stuff just being industrial slag, my own remaining question is: If I recall correctly, TTSA has made a point of noting that the thinness of the bismuth (1-4 microns) is exceptional. Would the Betterton-Kroll or vapor deposition process be able to produce such thin layers??
Vapor deposition is on the order of nanometers. Normal gold electroplating is around 2 microns.
 

Getoffthisplanet

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Again, assuming this stuff that TTSA keeps going on about is just Art's Parts, there was, apparently, additional seemingly legitimate scientific analysis done( I don't know why LHM can't put together a comprehensive page about her investigations into this stuff, it's just a slipshod and broken presentation).

In 1996 she had Erik Hauri from the Department of Terrestrial Magnetism at Carnegie Institution of Washington use a ion microprobe to analyze the isotopes of the material. Which sounds pretty neat, but way over my head.

He didn't seem to discover anything special about it the material, except for one "anomaly":



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Unfortunately, Mr. Hauri passed about about a year ago. But, very cool that someone with his knowledge and position actually took the time to analyze and go on record with his results, especially 20 years ago.

Typical of how LMH operates though, she has not made Hauri's entire report available.
 

Getoffthisplanet

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Mick West

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The only thing ground vehicle related is “active camouflage”. That’s the projection advertising company they signed a deal with. TTSA probably tacked the rest on.
 

Getoffthisplanet

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That’s the projection advertising company they signed a deal with.
Ah, right: TruClear.

Ok, so I can understand entering into this CRADA with the Army to work on some sort of projection camo via TruClear, but the heck did they convince the Army to announce and agree to study the metamaterials, research quantum communication and research beamed energy propulsion?
 

Mick West

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Ah, right: TruClear.

Ok, so I can understand entering into this CRADA with the Army to work on some sort of projection camo via TruClear, but the heck did they convince the Army to announce and agree to study the metamaterials, research quantum communication and research beamed energy propulsion?
I suspect they just tacked those on.
 

Getoffthisplanet

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tacked those on.
What if they tacked on "research the potential that certain African giraffe species and their subspecies are extraterrestrial interstellar vehicles"?

This is apparently an official Army document, wouldn't there be some sort of oversight, "Hey, you can't put that nonsense in there!".
 

Mick West

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What if they tacked on "research the potential that certain African giraffe species and their subspecies are extraterrestrial interstellar vehicles"?

This is apparently an official Army document, wouldn't there be some sort of oversight, "Hey, you can't put that nonsense in there!".
"metamaterials, quantum communication, and beamed energy propulsion" are all valid areas of research. Lots of people are actually researching them.
 

Minimalists 56

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DeLong posted another photo of the so-called Exotic Material "with advanced capabilities." LOL big time!



That last one is priceless, closing with: "INVEST NOW"

Replies to them (methinks he doesn't know how to thread tweets) are hilarious, not only is almost nobody buying this, but people who they've been stringing along are clearly getting an uneasy feeling due to these tweets. They are comically ill-conceived and nicely reflect the quality of all TTSA output to date.
That last one is priceless, closing with: "INVEST NOW"
If everyone has not realized this by now TTSA is all about the money....They probably dug this stuff out of the desert some where or at a local landfill and then proceed to claim alien material...I do not buy anything they say as truth its only about dollar signs.
 
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