The Telepathy Tapes

I'm curious about the anecdote and research experiment mentioned by Sheldrake in Ep.6 of TT. Where a "mentally disabled" boy separated from his mother in a different laboratory is able to get around 30% correct answers (yes, very different to the 100% accuracy claimed in TT) in a telepathy test. The test was apparently reviewed by three magicians who could not detect if there was a code used between the mother and son.

I wonder if Akhil and his mother would agree to a test under similar conditions?

Here's how Sheldrake describes it in his book The Sense of Being Stared At (2013):
When I was doing research in the Department of Biochemistry
at Cambridge University, I used to enjoy talking with Sir Rudolph
Peters
, a former professor of biochemistry at Oxford, who had retired
to Cambridge and worked in our lab, still doing experiments. He was
charming, his eyes sparkled, and he had more curiosity about the world
than most people half his age. One day we were talking in the laboratory
tearoom, and the subject of telepathy came up. I dismissed it with the
knee-jerk skepticism I had absorbed as part of my scientific education.
To my surprise, he told me that he had actually investigated a case of
apparent telepathy and concluded there was something to it. He gave me
a copy of his paper, summarizing the tests he and two colleagues had car-
ried out together. He also lent me tape recordings of the experiments so
that I could study the details for myself.
This case concerned a mother and her son with complex needs. The boy
was born with impaired vision, was partially paralyzed, and was also mentally
disabled. When an ophthalmologist tested him at regular intervals, starting
when the boy was five, he was surprised to find that the boy did much better
in standard eye tests than his very limited vision would have allowed: "I was
amazed when trying to estimate his visual acuity by his astonishing guess-
work when asked to identify letters, etc. It gradually dawned on me that this
guesswork was peculiarly interesting; and I came to the conclusion that he
must be working through his mother." The boy could read the letters only
when his mother was looking at them.
This discovery raised the possibility
that they were somehow communicating telepathically."
Peters and his colleagues did some preliminary experiments at the
family's home. The mother and son were separated by a screen, so no
visual clues were possible, and in any case the boy was almost blind. The
mother was shown a series of written numbers or words of one syllable,
and in many cases the boy guessed correctly what they were.
The next experiments were carried out over the telephone and were
tape recorded. The boy was nineteen years old at the time. The mother

was taken to a laboratory in Babraham, six miles from Cambridge, while
the boy remained at home. The experimenters prepared cards on which
numbers or letters were written, and these were piled-up, face down, in
a random sequence. One of the researchers turned up the first card and
showed it to the mother. The boy, six miles away, then guessed what it
was. The mother responded to his guess by saying "right" or "no." Then
he guessed the next card, and so on. Each test lasted only a few seconds.
Out of 58 tests with numbers, the boy guessed 20 correctly the first
time (34.5 percent) and 19 correctly on the second attempt (32.7 percent).
The numbers 1 through 10 were used, hence there was a 1-in-10 chance
of guessing correctly by chance (10 percent). The boy's actual result was
far above chance and was highly significant statistically, with odds against
chance of 50 million to one.*
In the tests with letters there were 45 trials, and the boy guessed right the
first time in 17 (37.8 percent) and the second time in 12 (26.7 percent). Here
the probability of guessing correctly by chance was only 1 in 26 (because
there are 26 letters in the alphabet), and the odds against this result being
due to chance are greater than 10'¢ (10 with 15 zeros after it) to 1!
Peters and his colleagues carried out further tests over the telephone
with similar results. In a total of 479 trials with numbers, the boy was
right 32 percent of the time on his first guess, with astronomical odds
against chance of 10°' to 1. Ina total of 163 tests with letters, on his first
guess he was again right 32 percent of the time; the odds were even more
astronomical, 10" to 1.
The telepathic communication between this mother and her son was
vastly superior to anything observed by parapsychologists in standard
laboratory experiments. In most of their tests, the senders and receivers
hardly knew each other, and the telepathic communication between them
served no biological or emotional needs, other than a desire to do well in
scientific tests. By contrast, this mother and son were very close emotion-
ally, and their communication served very practical needs on a day-to-day
basis. As Peters remarked, "In every respect the mother was emotionally
involved in trying to help her backward son."**
Of course, many parents are emotionally involved in helping their chil-
dren. The telepathy between this Cambridge woman and her son may dif-
fer only in degree from that between more ordinary parents and children.
Perhaps many parents influence their children telepathically, as well as com-
municating by facial expressions, body language, words, and other recognized
means. At the same time they may be entirely unaware of this telepathic con-
nection. We will return to a discussion of these ideas in chapter 13.
*In their published paper, Peters and his colleagues did not provide a statistical analysis.
At my request, Jan van Bolhuis, assistant professor of statistics at the Free University of
Amsterdam, has analyzed their results, using the binomial test, and the figures I quote
in the text are the result of his calculations.

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+The only problem with these remarkably successful tests was that the boy's mother
wanted to see the next card before she said "right" or "no" in response to the guess for
the previous card. This left open the remote possibility that she was somehow pass-
ing information by an unconscious code in the intonation with which she spoke these
words. Peters and his colleagues thought this was extremely unlikely, and they could
detect no trace of such a code in the tape recordings of the test sessions. Moreover, the
boy was severely retarded mentally, and the test took place so fast that the use of a code
seemed practically inconceivable. In addition, the tapes were listened to carefully by
three magicians, all members of the Magic Circle, and they, too, were unable to detect
any possible code. I also listened to them myself and could see no possibility of a code
in the mother's words, or in any other possible sounds.

I've not yet read the paper which the anecdote is based on:
Recordon, E. G., F. J. M. Stratton, and R. Peters. 1968. "Some trials in a case of alleged
telepathy." Journal of the Society for Psychical Research 44: 390-99.


But, have seen it referenced elsewhere as an example of deception—although I don't know the reasons put forward for why it was deception.
Maybe someone is familiar with it? I wonder if the same critique of it would apply to Akhil & his mother.


She is clearly moving the board between each trial (it is retracted then replaced each time)
There's more examples of this in the (even more saccharine than The Telepathy Tapes) film Spellers.
Source: https://youtu.be/8h1rcLyznK0?si=fWzPc6Jk8mpFu706

Which is given an critical review by Katherine Beals, that questions who is controlling the communication when hand-held letter boards are used.
https://www.facilitatedcommunicatio...ers-a-documercial-for-spelling-to-communicate
 
I'm pointing out your tendency to exaggerate. You do it again here:



Who are these "various camera people"? Specify them. Because the podcast doesn't claim any such thing.
I haven't exaggerated, episode 3, 30 minute time stamp they talk to production assistant sam who describes his experience as writing a word down in the garage, walking up to Houston back in the house and thinking his word towards Houston, at which point Houston immediate spells his word. Thanks for the accusations however.

Related, this reddit thread has summarizing several academic studies from reliable sources seeming to indicate the probability for psi vs randomness as summarized by "American psychologist" https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTelepathyTapes/s/FcBupqXKIm
 

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Which is given an critical review by Katherine Beals, that questions who is controlling the communication when hand-held letter boards are used.
https://www.facilitatedcommunicatio...ers-a-documercial-for-spelling-to-communicate
You reference to a video that is an hour and 22 minutes long. (A time stamp would be nice.) But I recall a TV presentation in which a "communicator" helps the non-verbal subject by supporting his-or-her arm while the subject jabs at words on a screen. They watched as the subject swiftly produced coherent sentences ...but the video clearly showed that the subject was gazing idly around the room and not even looking at the screen at all. It was a real "mic drop" moment, and if I recall correctly, the communicator looked appalled at the realization that SHE had produced the sentence, not the subject.

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+The only problem with these remarkably successful tests was that the boy's mother wanted to see the next card before she said "right" or "no" in response to the guess for the previous card. This left open the remote possibility that she was somehow passing information by an unconscious code in the intonation with which she spoke these words.
That's an enormous red flag for me, hidden in a footnote, because I see no conceivable reason for that demand EXCEPT "cheating", whether or not the researchers could determine the method. Certainly any kind of "ESP" should not need that viewing before she answered for the previous card.

The causes of physical or verbal impairment are many and varied. It would not be at all surprising that there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Stephen Hawking is sufficient evidence that intelligence CAN be trapped in a body that limits communication, but in many other cases there are simply responses to a stimulus of some sort.
 
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A time stamp would be nice.)
One particular example noted in Beals' review is at 03:55.

Your other recollection sounds like the video on the Skeptical Inquirer article mentioned above where the child is not even looking at the letter board while his father holds it (this also relates to the Frontline doc, mentioned above in post #8 where they have a professional typist try to one-finger type without looking at the letter board—she can't).
That's an enormous red flag for me, hidden in a footnote,
Exactly, that's why I included the footnotes. It sounds a little like a variation on the "second-sight" codes used by mentalists such as Washington Irving Bishop. (He published a guide to secret mnemonics in 1880 with lots of examples here: https://archive.org/details/secondsightexpla00wick/page/n11/mode/2up [For example see chp.4, and also p.36].
 
In a similar test, mom is showing a flashcard of a butterfly BUT the word written on the card is MARIPOSA (Spanish for butterfly). Akhil does not speak Spanish, that we're told. He spells MARIPOSA not BUTTERFLY. If he's "seeing" the card in mom's head, why not spell the picture he sees: BUTTERFLY?

IIRC, with facilitated communication one of the 'warning signs' was that people being assisted sometimes made the same repeated spelling mistakes as the facilitator.
Similarly, perhaps Akhil's mother is prompting him to spell "Mariposa" because that is the word on the card.
 
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I haven't exaggerated, episode 3, 30 minute time stamp they talk to production assistant sam who describes his experience as writing a word down in the garage, walking up to Houston back in the house and thinking his word towards Houston, at which point Houston immediate spells his word. Thanks for the accusations however.

You referred to "various camera people". Now you are saying just one, Sam. This by definition is an exaggeration unless you can come up with two or more camera people where kids read the words in their heads.

I outlined the incident with Sam (who incidentally is not a camera person) above and it appears to be nothing remarkable since Ky doesn't specify if mom knew the word while Houston spelled it.
 
One particular example noted in Beals' review is at 03:55.

Your other recollection sounds like the video on the Skeptical Inquirer article mentioned above where the child is not even looking at the letter board while his father holds it (this also relates to the Frontline doc, mentioned above in post #8 where they have a professional typist try to one-finger type without looking at the letter board—she can't).

Exactly, that's why I included the footnotes. It sounds a little like a variation on the "second-sight" codes used by mentalists such as Washington Irving Bishop. (He published a guide to secret mnemonics in 1880 with lots of examples here: https://archive.org/details/secondsightexpla00wick/page/n11/mode/2up [For example see chp.4, and also p.36].

A recording of these experiments would be useful. As a teenager I used to play a game with my sister to fool our friends: I would leave the room, our friends would come up with a word and tell my sister, then I'd return to the room and telepathically produce the word after my sister doodled randomly with a letter opener on a chess board. Our friends forbade us to speak to each other during the test, and couldn't fathom any patterns in the doodling (which was indeed random and just a distraction, other than 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 taps for vowels that went unnoticed).

We were 100% accurate. Our friends would swear to you that I didn't speak during the test... but I did.

Sis: So, are you ready?
[doodle doodle]
Sis: Can you guys keep quiet?
[doodle doodle] One tap.
[doodle doodle]
Sis: Mmm, did you get it?
Me: SCAM.

I wonder if mom was inserting little comments like that, which went unnoticed by the experimenters? When you listen to how Ky Dickens in T-Tapes describes some of these tests, and then watch how they actually happened on video, you quickly realize that she has a subjective interpretation/memory. These experimenters might've suffered from the same condition.
 
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ETA: Yes he calls out an answer describing a randomly generated image of a London phone booth: He calls syllables, "te-yeah-pumma" - mom repeats them more clearly "te-le", then he says "telephone" and "red".

Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but was any part of this captured on video where you can hear him calling out from another room? I didn't see it in the videos I watched. Most fans of The Telepathy Tapes immediately bring up this example, so if it turns out to just be an anecdote I'm gonna immediately toss that in the bin.

The one video that was really interesting to me is the one with Hailey. In it the facilitator is using a RPM stencil that Hailey points at with her right hand to select the number, but then uses her left hand to type the same number into a different device. Why is the stencil even necessary if she's perfectly capable of typing the number?

It's also a bit more difficult to figure out what is going on there. The facilitator is placing the stencil flat against the table each time so there's no vertical deviation between prompts. While there is some horizontal deviation between prompts, Hailey is perfectly capable of moving her wrist in all directions and is not always selecting the letter immediately in front of her hand She sometimes scans across an entire row of letters before selecting one. It's a far more intriguing case than any of the other videos, but I would still lean toward facilitator cueing given the apparent unnecessary use of the RPM stencil.

I had previously seen Hailey in some videos I found on Diane Hennacy Powell's Vimeo channel.



EDIT: I tried linking a second video but it was blocked by privacy settings. You can find it on Vimeo here - https://vimeo.com/user34108951

The editing on those videos is really weird, and keeps jumping back and forth through the same session for seemingly no reason. They could probably be reedited to show the session in order and uninterrupted.
 
Our friends forbade us to speak to each other during the test, and couldn't fathom any patterns in the doodling (which was indeed random and just a distraction, other than 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 taps for vowels that went unnoticed).
your sister guessed words with just vowels? hmmm..
 
curious what other explanations folks might have in mind.

Gosh....well it all seems very explainable indeed to me in the short video where the lady stands behind with the cards. I mean, the telepathy kid is wearing glasses and so could technically see the card behind him via reflection in the glasses. Also, there is the possibility that he can see the reflection in the black numbers board that is held up.

That particular example is about as poorly run an experiment as I can think of. I haven't watched the full documentary so I don't know if that is typical.

Incidentally, the main reason telepathy is considered impossible is not that any laws of physics are violated, as one is simply dealing with electromagnetic waves transferring information, but that the strength and range of brainwave electromagnetic waves is just too low and short range to be picked up outside the brain.

IF telepathy occurs then it would have to be demonstrated that brain waves can at least travel more than a few feet beyond the brain, AND still be strong enough to electromagnetically influence neurons in another brain. I'm not aware of any experiment ever having demonstrated that is possible, and I very much doubt that it is. I'd want that demonstrated as an a priori....before I ever look at any 'evidence' for telepathy.
 
IF telepathy occurs then it would have to be demonstrated that brain waves can at least travel more than a few feet beyond the brain, AND still be strong enough to electromagnetically influence neurons in another brain. I'm not aware of any experiment ever having demonstrated that is possible, and I very much doubt that it is. I'd want that demonstrated as an a priori....before I ever look at any 'evidence' for telepathy.
i don't think that will fly. just because equiptment isnt sensitive enough doesnt mean the human brain isnt sensitive enough. just saying... we didnt have equiptment capable of running dna until a short time ago for one example.
 
It's also a bit more difficult to figure out what is going on there. The facilitator is placing the stencil flat against the table each time so there's no vertical deviation between prompts. While there is some horizontal deviation between prompts, Hailey is perfectly capable of moving her wrist in all directions and is not always selecting the letter immediately in front of her hand She sometimes scans across an entire row of letters before selecting one. It's a far more intriguing case than any of the other videos, but I would still lean toward facilitator cueing given the apparent unnecessary use of the RPM stencil.

It's fascinating to watch...though I have to say that watching it carefully there are a few very subtle times when the researcher ( perhaps unconsciously ) moves the 'correct' letter or number a little closer to the pen.

I also noticed that every single number test started with 6, and I don't recall a single one with 4 in it. So the selection of numbers does not seem to be totally random.

It's also not clear, in the multiplication and division tests, if Hailey is on the spur of the moment 'choosing' random numbers to do the tests on. Also, the researcher should not be telling Hailey they got the first number wrong, as that is effectively allowing a 'restart' and is precisely what creates the well known 'drawer effect' in psychic studies.

I'm not clear what the pink electrical device is on the left, and why on one occasion Hailey presses that once before typing each letter onto the stencil device.
 
IF telepathy occurs then it would have to be demonstrated that brain waves can at least travel more than a few feet beyond the brain, AND still be strong enough to electromagnetically influence neurons in another brain. I'm not aware of any experiment ever having demonstrated that is possible, and I very much doubt that it is. I'd want that demonstrated as an a priori....before I ever look at any 'evidence' for telepathy.
Sort of agree.
Brain waves can be detected with electrodes on the scalp using an EEG, but they don't convey much information about healthy people- broadly they might indicate level of alertness or sleep stage.
Some people can volitionally switch between alpha and beta rhythms (albeit slowly, and in a relaxing environment) and manifest mu rhythms (usually by imagining motor use, e.g. hitting a tennis ball), enabling "direct" brain control of exterior systems (a "brain-computer interface"), however the dermal electrodes and associated electronics remain essential.

The brain clearly isn't a radio transmitter or receiver and (despite much woo) isn't particularly susceptible to exterior electromagnetic fields of the types encountered in day-to-day life.

So telepathy via identified physical means seems unlikely, but like the stone tape theory for ghosts it still has some supporters, perhaps because it sounds sciencey.
But there are documented phenomena where we don't understand the enabling mechanism, e.g. the rotation of spiral galaxies or the accelerating expansion of the universe; as far as I understand it the terms "dark matter" and "dark energy" are almost placeholders; there is little consensus on the nature of either at present.

Telepathy's main problem is not that there are no currently understood mechanisms that would enable it,
but that there's no reliable and repeatable evidence that it exists as a phenomenon.
 
I'm not clear what the pink electrical device is on the left, and why on one occasion Hailey presses that once before typing each letter onto the stencil device.

In one of the videos you can see it pretty clearly. It's a touchscreen device with a keyboard map on it. After Hailey selects a number or letter from the stencil she then inputs the same number or letter to the touchscreen device. At the end she hits another button and it reads out what she entered.
 
Don't know if you're joking or not. Just in case... Check the first letter in each sentence.
thanks i didnt read her convo in full because she was the one guessing the word. (and typically its the receiver who scribbles) i figured her sister nodded at taps or something. makes sense now though, i see at end her sister gives the answer not her.
 
You referred to "various camera people". Now you are saying just one, Sam. This by definition is an exaggeration unless you can come up with two or more camera people where kids read the words in their heads.

I outlined the incident with Sam (who incidentally is not a camera person) above and it appears to be nothing remarkable since Ky doesn't specify if mom knew the word while Houston spelled it.
Ok. Cameraman vs production assistant, you are correct. I may have conflated multiple production people participating in the tests with the testimony from the second production lady who describes she saw the tests in person and could not understand how they would have cheated the results. Plus houstons brother stating that he's demonstrated houstons abilities to his friends by having them "think of anything, in your head" then "Houston immediately spells it out". Sam and the brother are both situations that do not mention involvement from houstons mom (more than one example). I realize this is insufficient as proof, but it's comparable to what I initially described and to call me an exaggerator is disingenuousness and feels unnecessarily personal. I've been open minded and have liked several replies here that have given me insight into ways to explain the podcast which is why I came here. Especially the horse trick thing, I thought that was particularly cool to learn about. I came here to learn more to improve myself, not to feel smarter than anyone else
 
I'm not clear what the pink electrical device is on the left, and why on one occasion Hailey presses that once before typing each letter onto the stencil device.
The woman refers to it as her "talker". She might be resetting it for a new word. The only reason I can see for Hailey using a board to point at AND the talker is that it gives the woman a chance to correct the letter/number choice.
 
Gosh....well it all seems very explainable indeed to me in the short video where the lady stands behind with the cards. I mean, the telepathy kid is wearing glasses and so could technically see the card behind him via reflection in the glasses. Also, there is the possibility that he can see the reflection in the black numbers board that is held up.

That particular example is about as poorly run an experiment as I can think of. I haven't watched the full documentary so I don't know if that is typical.

Incidentally, the main reason telepathy is considered impossible is not that any laws of physics are violated, as one is simply dealing with electromagnetic waves transferring information, but that the strength and range of brainwave electromagnetic waves is just too low and short range to be picked up outside the brain.

IF telepathy occurs then it would have to be demonstrated that brain waves can at least travel more than a few feet beyond the brain, AND still be strong enough to electromagnetically influence neurons in another brain. I'm not aware of any experiment ever having demonstrated that is possible, and I very much doubt that it is. I'd want that demonstrated as an a priori....before I ever look at any 'evidence' for telepathy.
Do you wear glasses? I don't think it's plausible without special cheating glasses.

Im more or less convinced that akil is likely getting signals from his mom's leading with both her verbal and physical gestures at this point. Ty to the folks here who broke down the similarities between movement and sounds and letters.

I still feel like the podcast is not full of liars, and it's amazing if these many different people represented on the podcast are all pulling off crazy "parlor tricks", with out coordinating with each other, we just have a base of people in the autistic community learning magic on accident?

I feel like this conversation isn't going to go much further here however with out video or documentation of improved testing protocol. I appreciate everyone here and learned a lot. Ty for the really interesting discussion (I'm sure there is more to be had, I'm still interested in reading more about the studies cited in my screenshot some of which I know is being discussed here)
 

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There are so many stories, doctors, studies, parents, teachers, anecdotes referenced it's impossible to wrap it up in a video for y'all to debunk.
It is really important to consider that FC proponents are actively seeking to legitimize FC in schools. Here is the campaign from Spelling to Communicate aiming specifically at receiving these services in schools: https://i-asc.org/advocacy-campaign/inclusive-education/ . Considering this, I am not impressed by their discussions of how "even teachers" like it. It's propaganda in my eyes.

Houston immediately spells it out".
In FC circles, they never say "and then I helped my son spell it out." They always say "my son spelled it" because they believe he is the one producing the message, not the facilitator. That's true of any and all FC and doesn't mean he wasn't assisted. Even if she didn't touch him, he still could be prompted.
 
The woman refers to it as her "talker". She might be resetting it for a new word. The only reason I can see for Hailey using a board to point at AND the talker is that it gives the woman a chance to correct the letter/number choice.
yea its a bit strange the woman says 'times' and 'equals' and 'dot' because those arent on the board... but Hailey knows those things because she immediately types it into her talker. if she "saw" the equation why cant she just type those into the talker. its possible she isnt allowed to touch her talker without a prior prompt or she thinks she isnt allowed because of the conditioning she received previously....people do strange things to autistic children.
 
I still feel like the podcast is not full of liars, and it's amazing if these many different people represented on the podcast are all pulling off crazy "parlor tricks", with out coordinating with each other, we just have a base of people in the autistic community learning magic on accident?
except for the popsicle sticks its possible the moms or most moms arent even aware they are giving prompts. and/or they dont think the child is capable of responding to prompts. you'd really need alot more info before calling them "liars".

**i didnt watch popsicle sticks, does the kids head fall to her chin when mom lets go..trying to give mom the benefit of the doubt of why she would have a hand on the forehead other than deception.
 
I still feel like the podcast is not full of liars, and it's amazing if these many different people represented on the podcast are all pulling off crazy "parlor tricks", with out coordinating with each other, we just have a base of people in the autistic community learning magic on accident?
I also feel like the podcast isn't full of liars. Most FC proponents believe in it, they believe the speller is spelling independently. Most people who believe they are psychic are also not liars: they believe it. Just because they aren't lying doesn't mean they're truthful, though.

Every autistic person is different, but yeah, a lot of them are very perceptive. They notice things and remember things that many folks don't; the only person to ever call out my very extensive dental bridgework without being told was an 8-year-old autistic kid, and I've fooled dentists before. They're not learning magic, they're doing what hopeful adults want them to do to receive love and attention.
 
I also feel like the podcast isn't full of liars. Most FC proponents believe in it, they believe the speller is spelling independently. Most people who believe they are psychic are also not liars: they believe it. Just because they aren't lying doesn't mean they're truthful, though.

Every autistic person is different, but yeah, a lot of them are very perceptive. They notice things and remember things that many folks don't; the only person to ever call out my very extensive dental bridgework without being told was an 8-year-old autistic kid, and I've fooled dentists before. They're not learning magic, they're doing what hopeful adults want them to do to receive love and attention.
Thank you for the insights and great discussion
 
thanks i didnt read her convo in full because she was the one guessing the word. (and typically its the receiver who scribbles) i figured her sister nodded at taps or something. makes sense now though, i see at end her sister gives the answer not her.
Sorry, I messed up the sample dialogue (because of course we'd take turns as transmitter and receiver). I've fixed it now.
 
In one of the videos you can see it pretty clearly. It's a touchscreen device with a keyboard map on it. After Hailey selects a number or letter from the stencil she then inputs the same number or letter to the touchscreen device. At the end she hits another button and it reads out what she entered.
And then she writes it out manually as well. Quite bizarre. She can tap the answer on her keyboard *and* write it out manually, but still has to use the letterboard to get the answer "telepathically".
 
Ok. Cameraman vs production assistant, you are correct. I may have conflated multiple production people participating in the tests with the testimony from the second production lady who describes she saw the tests in person and could not understand how they would have cheated the results. Plus houstons brother stating that he's demonstrated houstons abilities to his friends by having them "think of anything, in your head" then "Houston immediately spells it out". Sam and the brother are both situations that do not mention involvement from houstons mom (more than one example). I realize this is insufficient as proof, but it's comparable to what I initially described and to call me an exaggerator is disingenuousness and feels unnecessarily personal. I've been open minded and have liked several replies here that have given me insight into ways to explain the podcast which is why I came here. Especially the horse trick thing, I thought that was particularly cool to learn about. I came here to learn more to improve myself, not to feel smarter than anyone else

It was not disingenuous of me to point out that your "various camera people" (or let's call it "various crew") was an exaggeration. Only one person from the crew ever indicates that Houston read a word from their mind (or actually, from a piece of paper). One person. Not various. I am not telepathic and therefore could not know that you actually meant not "various camera people" but one crew member and unnamed friends of Houston's.

Houston is never, ever, stated to be able to produce a word from someone's mind without the use of his spelling board with his mother facilitating. We are always only shown "telepathy" from him when his mom already knows the answer. So, the sensible conclusion is that both the crew member and his friends wrote their words on paper, showed mom, and then Houston spelled out the word.
 
I still feel like the podcast is not full of liars

Who here has said the podcast is full of liars?

Facilitated communication and S2C work because the facilitator does not know they are providing the answers. They aren't liars. They are emotionally invested in demonstrating their children and students are capable of communication, and they believe that to be the case.
 
except for the popsicle sticks its possible the moms or most moms arent even aware they are giving prompts. and/or they dont think the child is capable of responding to prompts. you'd really need alot more info before calling them "liars".

**i didnt watch popsicle sticks, does the kids head fall to her chin when mom lets go..trying to give mom the benefit of the doubt of why she would have a hand on the forehead other than deception.
The video is upthread here. Mom's hand never leaves her forehead.

In other videos of Mia she is perfectly capable of keeping her head up:
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Mom always has a finger on her forehead in those tests (while Mia is spelling answers) according to Ky Dickens. In fact, it's often not one finger but several fingers in various positions on her forehead, and those fingers tap and move a little while Mia is spelling. In one test Mom supports her chin. (Another example of Ky misrepresenting the truth because none of that is described in the audio podcast.) The reason given is that Mia (and other autistic people) need a physical touch to ground them and help them focus. Also note in these screenshots (each from a different test) that Mia does not always look at the board as she touches the letters. I haven't watched closely enough to see if the letters mom calls out are actually the ones Mia even touches.

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Here they put a barrier between mom and Mia while mom is being shown a 3-digit number, to ensure Mia can't see it. (This is totally unnecessary for that purpose but looks dramatic and reassures us that no cheating is taking place.) But then they remove the barrier for Mia to type - so mom can see the letterboard! Why not just leave the barrier in place so mom can't see what Mia is typing?
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Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but was any part of this captured on video where you can hear him calling out from another room? I didn't see it in the videos I watched. Most fans of The Telepathy Tapes immediately bring up this example, so if it turns out to just be an anecdote I'm gonna immediately toss that in the bin.

Yes, the audio podcast includes a recording of that incident. (The podcast is a mixture of live recordings like this, and Ky's voiceover.) I'll try and capture it.
 
This is Akhil telepathically divining "telephone - red" from a random image generated (from the sound of it) on his mother's ipad, while he's in another room.

I'm including 30 seconds of context beforehand because it raises some red flags for me when you consider that in the end, the image generator they use is on the mom's ipad.

1. Ky states about random picture generators: "Some of them are pretty dumb." What does this mean? Why would it matter if it's dumb? It's still an image that could be transmitted, right? Is it mom who says they're dumb (and Ky echoes it, to be nice) because mom needs to be the one generating the image?

2. Mom says she wants Akhil in the room with her but Ky insists they go ahead with him out of the room, which ends up working anyway. Why was mom reluctant? I don't know the answer, except that maybe she's been accused of cheating in cases where he's out of the room. Or she doesn't want to lose control of the situation by having the cameraman alone with Akhil (where he might witness some sort of cheating).

2. "As Monicia's pulling up the image..." confirms it's mom's ipad that's being used, which we see anyway in the video'ed tests.

3. "The picture that's being generated, it often isn't clear what it is - to Monicia or me or any of the crew." This is extreme hyperbole. The image (in the audio below) is red phone booths, which no worldly adult should have a problem recognizing. Whether a 20-ish nonverbal autistic American/Indian guy would know, I don't know, but he watches a lot of YouTube.

4. Following that test, Akhil returns to the room and sits by mom, and they do another trial - this one is in a paywalled video. Mom generates an image to which she expresses (IMO) disgust, and which Ky interprets as a food fight but she isn't sure. That's it. That's supposed to support her earlier claim that the picture "often" isn't "clear" what it is - to Monicia, her, or the crew whose opinion she never even asked! I point this out as another example of Ky's inaccurate and exaggerated descriptions of what's going on.

In this case it's actually some messy paint tubes, and Akhil spells PAINT (with lots of hand motions from mom). In this and another trial, we don't see Akhil's screen while mom is looking at the image on her screen but Akhil is looking at his screen (for no apparent reason) in that moment. There is no camera positioned behind him, so they didn't think of checking for screensharing.

So: the test with him in another room doesn't involve mom signalling OR Akhil typing. Why can't all tests be run this way? Why must Akhil type his answers when he's in the same room as mom, given he's capable of calling out syllables?

A skeptical interpretation would be that mom is screensharing with Akhil when the camera isn't looking. Or, she's screensharing with an accomplice who then transmits it to Akhil one letter or syllable at a time. The hand signals may be entirely innocent and irrelevant, at least in some cases if not all.

A more general comment: These tests are all over the place - many different protocols, haphazardly performed, and each of the kids is given different tests. Why? It reinforces my view that the parents are the ones deciding what tests will be done, because they know what "tricks" their kids can perform.


Source: https://youtu.be/FugoteIK1zA
 
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I'm including 30 seconds of context beforehand because it raises some red flags for me when you consider that in the end, the image generator they use is on the mom's ipad.
um... i'll leave it to the trained SLP @tinkertailor , but im myself not hearing anything close to telephone or red really. so i think all the other 'red flags' are kinda moot.
 
I didn't pay for access to the telepathy tape videos. So if anyone can see them. I'm curious as to whether that's a TV in the top left. Which can be like mirrors.


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Do you wear glasses? I don't think it's plausible without special cheating glasses.

I have worn glasses...and it is entirely possible to see reflection of things behind in them. I mean, just look at this. The lady is standing behind and the number ( which is displayed on both sides of the card ) would clearly be visible in that reflection. This is about as bad a protocol as it gets when it comes to eliminating subtle cues. It would never ever pass proper scientific scrutiny.....

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Who here has said the podcast is full of liars?

Facilitated communication and S2C work because the facilitator does not know they are providing the answers. They aren't liars. They are emotionally invested in demonstrating their children and students are capable of communication, and they believe that to be the case.
Wild that you say this and then accuse akils mom of screen sharing or having an accomplice in your next post.
 
Wild that you say this and then accuse akils mom of screen sharing or having an accomplice in your next post.

Wild? When you said "I still feel like the podcast is not full of liars" you implied someone is claiming it's full of liars.

I think Akhil's mom or family may be cheating. One person or family. I never said it was "full" of liars and I haven't seen anyone else say that (other than strawman accusations from, for example, the facilitators and Ky Dickens in T-Tapes). I am, once again, pointing out that you're exaggerating.

All the other families profiled, which is all the other people the podcast is "full of", use FC where the child isn't typing independently. FC doesn't involve lying, it involves fooling oneself because of the ideomotor response.
 
I didn't pay for access to the telepathy tape videos. So if anyone can see them. I'm curious as to whether that's a TV in the top left. Which can be like mirrors.


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I think that shot is from the trailer - there's nothing more in the paywalled videos.

I don't think Houston is seeing the cards in a reflection but Ky Dickens goes to great pains to say that reflective surfaces like TVs and mirrors were covered or removed. I don't think she specifically mentions windows too but there's plenty of them in that room (behind Dr Powell too).

And here's the testing with John Paul:

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So it's not true that they took care to avoid reflections. But covering reflective surfaces and sometimes taking other precautions to make sure the child doesn't see the image or number that mom sees (such as the barrier mentioned above with Mia) are sufficient for Ky to conclude the only possible explanation for the kids guessing correctly is telepathy.

Here's two shots from Mia's testing - in one set-up they cover the TV, in another they haven't done so (lower left panel). Not that it matters because I doubt Mia is using reflections either, but it shows that Ky (1) wasn't particularly careful about this, yet (2) made us believe she was super careful and even uses the word "bulletproof" in describing the tests.

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And here's the testing with John Paul:
It's curious that in the videos there's only a single instance of John Paul spelling and in this example he gets the number wrong at first. The number is 2313. He spells 3,2, then the board is "reset" then he spells 3,1,3, and the board is removed and the mother and Dr. Powel say "yeah", but it also looks like he's about the touch the board again before she moves it away.
 
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