Telepathy Tapes presentation taped and posted to X and YT

[Ben Harris]

"I can do that too, but not right now". My guess is she never got around to it.

This is just like recently when Rogan asked Oz Pearlman to do the PIN trick again but for Joe's other card. Pearlman says he can do it but "not yet". He'll do it "Before we go". He never gets around to it, because he doesn't know Joe's other PIN.
I've done the same thing myself when performing card magic tricks using a memorized deck. I'll do some tricks, then I'll do one that lets the spectators shuffle the deck destroying the order of my "stack" before going into my "impromptu" card tricks. If they ask for me to repeat a trick that needs the stack I say "later", then I conveniently never get around to it because I can't do it. On a few occasions I've dived into a nearby toilet cubicle and frantically rearranged my stack while whistling loudly, but that's venue-dependent.

I can confirm, @Ben Harris is a legend in the magic community.

You are too kind.

 

[Fin]

Accidentally drops an eye patch. Immediately picks it up accurately without having to search for it (but she still needs a guide to walk her around the room and to scale the steps)

Yep. The down the sides of the nose "peek" is an established technique. Good performers have coins taped over their eyes first as a convincer.

I think maybe the best convincer in this particular performance is the presence of Chris himself & his brief, cursory "inspection".

 

[Ben Harris]

Has the bar for evidence ever actually moved? Like, it's always been high but for good reason.

Exceptional proof? Where?

The establishment refusing to take ESP seriously? Isn't there quite a rich history of the establishment attempting to use psychic powers as weapons? Taking it incredibly seriously. There's books, films, everything.

The dude's a fantasist.

Yep. He knows little about the subject.

 

[Ben Harris]

Kuda Bux, a serious blindfold act from decades ago. Note how the side of the nose peek is still in play.

 

[Mendel]

I don't remember the old guy but I did see someone doing the exact same thing on Penn & Teller's Fool Us a while back, except he was using clay if I am I remembering correctly. If I find it I'll post it.

Pierre Ulric on Penn & Teller: Fool Us \\ SEASON 7
Penn references Kuda Bux in his verdict.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn-bPqYE_qg

I think I saw another one more recently, but I could be wrong.

 

[Fin]

@27:25 The gap under the blue tape is undeniable.
Remember, this is after she's added the extra eye-patches as her extra convincer. In reality they achieve nothing. I'm laughing out loud at this point.

 

[NoParty]

Heres a video from 1986 that shows how various psychic tricks are performed. By applying controls I made Uri Geller quite furious. This is from a Walkley Award nominated national broadcast in 1986.

View attachment 81368Demonstrating Telepathy (remote viewing) and stopping Uri Geller in his tracks

I had no idea we had a star in our midst...
Great video!!

 

[Fin]

Chris seems to be hedging his bets when asked how this experience was for him, at around 52 minutes [emphasis mine]:

"As a magician you're kind of aware of a lot of methods to a lot of different things.... When people go 'oh I want to create this effect where I'm disappearing as I'm walking' that's a magicians job to figure out how that's done. There is a method for everything, I can tell you that with certainty. No matter what it is there is a method behind something. Now the question here is that are those methods at play or are they not? For me this is really impressive... I have to be honest, there is a significant difference between this and like live conditions as well but.. looks very promising, very very interesting that is for sure, I will say that... I'm someone who has to reserve something just naturally, but I'm very very open to learning more about this...... Definitely I'd like to see it closer & more frequently & just kind of like to be able to control the variables myself as a magician to get me over that last hurdle"

 

[Matt33]

There are also some physics involved. Peeking through small apertures actually enhances your vision, one reason is that light scattering is reduced and sharpness improved. Rather than an allegedly tight mask, an effective control would be simple glasses fitted with a sheet of paper or cardboard wide enough to obstruct the wearer's forward vision and making the viewing angle impractical for cheating. A spit protection mask with opaque plastic, reaching below the chin and curved around the head would be perfect.

 

[NoParty]

Chris seems to be hedging his bets when asked how this experience was for him, at around 52 minutes [emphasis mine]:

"As a magician you're kind of aware of a lot of methods to a lot of different things.... When people go 'oh I want to create this effect where I'm disappearing as I'm walking' that's a magicians job to figure out how that's done. There is a method for everything, I can tell you that with certainty. No matter what it is there is a method behind something. Now the question here is that are those methods at play or are they not? For me this is really impressive... I have to be honest, there is a significant difference between this and like live conditions as well but.. looks very promising, very very interesting that is for sure, I will say that... I'm someone who has to reserve something just naturally, but I'm very very open to learning more about this...... Definitely I'd like to see it closer & more frequently & just kind of like to be able to control the variables myself as a magician to get me over that last hurdle"

I think he's going to have a (fence) indentation on his sternum, from being so much on both sides of the fence, here.

 

[Mendel]

Ramsay claims he's had experiences on stage that he thinks may have been ESP:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YqZWR9GPZ0M


Russell Targ writes:

Article:

My initial interest in psi came from my college days when I was a performing amateur magician. Every magician has had the experience of doing a mental trick with his eyes closed and becoming aware of the information that has entered his mind, beyond what he already knew from trickery. I had these experiences on stage and in small parties; and as a young scientist, I became interested in the work of J. B. Rhine who seemed to be doing real magic, without sleight of hand.

Source: https://www.parapsych.org/articles/61/506/russell_targ.aspx

He and Hal Puthoff did the government-financed PSI research at SRI with Ingo Swann and Uri Geller, unable to discover they'd been tricked.

 

[Mauro]

When playing games as kids, where someone had to be blindfolded, we gave them a pretend jab to the face to see if they would flinch. Super simple to do.

We did that too, but we learned soon to avoid flinching!

 

[FatPhil]

Do any of you remember the old magician Kuda Bux?

Nope... However, Martin Gardner's heard of him:

image url: https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126...bfe3fed639/assets/science.151.3711.654.fp.png
via: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.151.3711.654
Image embedding seems not to be working, here's a screenshot of a bit:

 

[FatPhil]

The reaction from the three participants is quite subdued. That's because all three of them become instant-stooges when reading from the notes inside the envelopes. They are, as instructed by Nick but not obvious to the audience, only selectively reading from the note and they are also inserting additional information not on it when prompted to do so. All three participants have the exact same note (other than the colour) and at that point they all know exactly how two of the three guesses are done.

Technically, P&T could have guessed "instant stooge". It's now outlawed, I believe. Proof of instant stooginess (this is table 1's note):

 

[Ben Harris]

One of the best demonstrations of blindfold work is known as the "blindfold drive." Here's my buddy, Banachek, performing it...

Blindfold Drive

 

[jimmyslippin]

Pierre Ulric on Penn & Teller: Fool Us \\ SEASON 7

Yup, that is the exact routine I was thinking of.

 

[Ann K]

I'm a professional magician and the author of dozens of books on magical deception. I worked with Randi on several occasions to debunk the psychic grifters.

I'm impressed! I didn't realize I was rubbing metaphorical elbows with such a person of note. Although I've never delved deeply into the subject, I clearly remember Geller and his spoon-bending being exposed. Well done!

 

[Ben Harris]

I'm impressed! I didn't realize I was rubbing metaphorical elbows with such a person of note. Although I've never delved deeply into the subject, I clearly remember Geller and his spoon-bending being exposed. Well done!

Cheers, Ann.

 

[jimmyslippin]

So, watching everything in order, the Psi Demonstration session is pretty much structured exactly like a magic show where the mother, Dalia, opens and warms up the audience for the main act, her daughter Lidu. Dalia does four mentalist effects with each using the exact same method, increasing in perceived complexity with each iteration. She starts out with single colours and ends with entire passages from random books. It's all pretty basic stuff that pretty much anyone could do with little to no practise though, and it's not going to fool a lot of people. Lidu then follows a similar progression, with her first three effects involving her mother as a facilitator with a transparent S2C stencil which increase in perceived complexity. The fourth and final effect of the session, though, is different.

In the final effect a random audience member is asked to come up with a word, which is then shown to Dalia who then returns to her seat onstage. But this time Dalia uses a blank sheet of paper instead of the S2C stencil, and it is also revealed that Lidu can vocalise the letters herself. They proceed with Lidu calling out the letters herself while pointing at the blank sheet of paper held by Dalia.

Is it just me or does this look like a deliberate method disproof for facilitator guiding/ideomotor effect, with the suggestion being that Dalia cannot unconsciously (or even consciously) guide Lidu to letters neither of them can see, and it then follows there'd be no way for Lidu to vocalise letters she couldn't be guided to?

It certainly comes across that way, and it makes me wonder if Chris Ramsay was more involved in this performance than we are led to believe. If he's supposed to just be there to make sure things are all above board it's not very convincing because he is supposedly fooled by the most blatantly obvious blindfold peeking I've ever seen. He seems to be playing the role of a Travis Taylor type skeptic (as he was in the first season of The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch) who isn't completely convinced at first but completely ignores flawed methodology to give more credibility to the performers. But his background in magic and performance and the entire way this was presented suggests to me there's probably more going on with him behind the scenes.

That said, I'm intrigued by the method used for the final effect. We don't know the sheet of paper really is blank on both sides and because the cameraman was focused on something else at the time it's not clear that was even demonstrated to the audience. Dalia could be using some other method to communicate with Lidu that we cannot see, like hand signals, pointing at letters on the table, etc.. Chris Ramsay is filming right behind them and there's another guy with a camera to their left, so maybe there'll be another video where we'll see that footage that will rule these methods out?

But I'd also imagine that after enough time and practise with the same person you absolutely could develop the skill of facilitator messaging using a letterless board. It certainly does look like Daria is moving the paper around between letters similar to what you'd see with S2C. Daria also restricts word choices to those containing only four or five letters, right after Lidu was banging out entire sentences, which would indicate Daria has a lower level of confidence. She even prepares the audience for failure by telling them they may have to return to using the S2C stencil (though this may just be a bit of magician's patter to hype up the effect.) Things don't start well when Lidu incorrectly selects O instead of T for the first letter, but when you look at the S2C stencil she previously used the O is right above the T.

If that's what they are doing (and at this point I'm inclined to believe it is), it's still somewhat impressive even when viewed as just a magic performance. Even with normal FC/RPM/S2C stuff (well, other than the arm yanking) I find there's quite a few naturally skeptical people that find it difficult to accept that facilitator guiding/ideomotor effect is responsible and insist there's something more deliberate going on. Someone involved here recognised that a method disproof for the most common debunk of autism telepathy would end the show on a high point and everything else was structured to build up to it.

 

[jimmyslippin]

There were two other things I found interesting.

The first effect involves Dalia calling out the colour of a sheet of cardboard held up by someone behind her. It's blatantly obvious that she tilts her head forward and then turns it to the side so she can peek over her right shoulder. But the logic of the effect is inconsistent with what happens later when random guy in the audience holding the book the wrong way. Here she is proving to the audience that she can "see" things that would be outside of her field of view even when not wearing the blindfold. But later on with the book she can no longer do that, for obvious reasons.

Then later on Lidu is asked to spell out a quote from a film that is chosen by a random audience member. Everything is going well until they get to the word "chocolates" where it goes off the rails. Dalia starts calling out letters that we can see - thanks to the transparent stencil - Lidu isn't even pointing at.

Lidu points at C-H-O-C-(O)-(L)-E-T-E-S, while Dalia calls out C-H-O-C-(L)-(A)-E-T-E-S. The parenthesis illustrate the letters Dalia called out were different from what Lidu actually pointed to. It's interesting because if Dalia is using facilitator guiding then she's guiding Lidu to the correct letters while at the same time calling out the wrong ones. At the point Dalia realises she'd messed up and skipped a letter ahead it's Lidu that then picks the wrong letter.

 

[Mendel]

it's still somewhat impressive even when viewed as just a magic performance.

it is only impressive as stage magic. the fact that it's passed off as PSI is what makes it questionable.

 

[jimmyslippin]

it is only impressive as stage magic. the fact that it's passed off as PSI is what makes it questionable.

Well strap yourself in because it's about to get worse.

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There's also a Youtube channel which I am sure will be the source of much discussion to come.

Here's a bit of a sample...



So I guess that explains the shirt she wearing during her magic act.

I did sense she had some experience speaking to groups of people, and she was the one driving that show a lot of the time, so it's not surprising to find there's a business angle to all of this.

 

[Ben Harris]

I'm impressed! I didn't realize I was rubbing metaphorical elbows with such a person of note. Although I've never delved deeply into the subject, I clearly remember Geller and his spoon-bending being exposed. Well done!

Cheers, Ann.

 

[Ben Harris]

Airrack, with over 16 million followers, applies instant Karma to baffle a whole range of scammers at their own games.

While not directly related to the Telepathy Tapes, it is educational and a whole lot of fun.

Scammers busted

 

[Mendel]

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• there are no "documented ET craft".
• "warp drive bubbles" is another name for image compression artifacts.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

Ok, so this dude went and bought the Mindfold mask to test it and confirms that it's really easy to peek through gaps if you position it a little higher on your head just like the woman in the OPs video.

Back to the Telepathy Tapes podcast: Episode 1 features Mia who isn't "seeing through her mother's eyes" - she "can see everywhere". (Although somehow she's not telepathic with Dad when it comes to using the spelling board.)

The outdoor demo was done in a house that Ky Dickens rented for the purpose, to take Mia out of her home environment. This test involves a blindfold... Guess which brand.

From Ky Dickens [28:15]:

I just wanted to be in charge of buying all the cues, all the props, the blindfold... just so that it was bulletproof... I needed to make sure that I handled one test without [Dr] Diane [Hennacy Powell] or the family bringing or providing anything. I went on a Telepathy Tapes shopping spree... I just want to be the layer for the skeptics where it's like, you know, I got this on Amazon.

...That blindfold, by the way, is something called the Mindfold... It is really intense and very dark.

Ky emphasizes how much time and money it took to organize this (6 weeks, called in favors, booked the airBnB) and has her crew test the blindfold. But it's all for nothing if the wearer can see through the bottom of it when placed just so.

Note she says she bought ONE blindfold. However, two blindfolds are used in the following test - did Mia's family provide the other? If so, that negates her claim the family provided nothing, not that it really matters. Even if Mia's blindfold can't be seen through, you'll note that the Mindfold one was used at all the critical moments:

In this test Mia is blindfolded with a Mindfold and "shown" an object on a low table, then removes the blindfold and spells the word. The blindfold brand here doesn't matter since Mom can see the object and Mia "spells" the answer on a board - the usual problems with FC apply. Even if OTOH Mia is able to spell independently, she can see the object through this Mindfold so no magical viewing is involved.

Test part 1 - Mia wears Mindfold

Test part 2 - Mom uses Mindfold
BUT we come to part 2 of this test where Mom is blindfolded as well when the object is placed on the table. For some reason, Mia gives the Mindfold to Mom and uses the plain one herself. (The plain one was used in the popsicle test, where Mom's hand seems to be guiding her head to show her the correct pile so Mia doesn't need to "cheat".)

So, even if Mia's plain blindfold can't be seen through, the use of the Mindfold explains why Mia gets the answer right even though Mom was blindfolded.

Note that after someone on Ky's crew helps Mom with the blindfold, Mom then adjusts it the instant before the test begins:

For reference, here's Mia using the plain black blindfold for the popsicle test.

Unfortunately I'm going to conclude that Mom is cheating in this test. I suppose she may still believe she's telepathically transmitting the answer to Mia who spells it independently, but that belies her previous statement that Mia sees everything (i.e. isn't even using telepathy but some sort of third eye).