The Telepathy Tapes

[NoParty]

As if the Telepathy Tapes podcast weren't misleading enough already, here Joe Rogan gives a completely untrue outline to a barely interested Jacques Vallee. I imagine Rogan hasn't heard the podcast in full and is just going off rumours about dozens of children completely locked off and in separate rooms performing amazing feats of telepathy.
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How totally on brand, for Rogan:
He is 100% wrong, but assertively declares his "facts" as if there were no doubt.

While I personally find this style obnoxious & embarrassing,
there are tens of millions of folks who mistakenly take it as impressive. #sad.

 

[Giddierone]

Rogan mentions a kid blind folded and using echo-location to navigate. It seems similar to this old video of kids apparently doing (far more impressive) acts of telepathy while blind folded. I wonder why this video (and others like it) didn't capture the public's imagination like the Telepathy Tapes has.

Source: https://youtu.be/rC7xZmLcOeY?si=fZQ-sFjnceG8AVhb

 

[Ann K]

Rogan mentions a kid blind folded and using echo-location to navigate. It seems similar to this old video of kids apparently doing (far more impressive) acts of telepathy while blind folded. I wonder why this video (and others like it) didn't capture the public's imagination like the Telepathy Tapes has.

Source: https://youtu.be/rC7xZmLcOeY?si=fZQ-sFjnceG8AVhb

"Why it didn't capture the public's imagination" probably is related to the sheer unbrlievability of the video. They give every impression of kids that can see around or through their blindfolds. When reading, drawing, or identifying images, they all conspicuously point their heads toward the task, often tilting their heads back. They didn't know the word the man wrote (even though he presumably thought the word "light" while writing it) until he pointed it toward them.

The inevitable conclusion is that they are a group of apparently normal children who have been taught how to lie.

 

[FatPhil]

Rogan mentions a kid blind folded and using echo-location to navigate. It seems similar to this old video of kids apparently doing (far more impressive) acts of telepathy while blind folded. I wonder why this video (and others like it) didn't capture the public's imagination like the Telepathy Tapes has.
Source: https://youtu.be/rC7xZmLcOeY?si=fZQ-sFjnceG8AVhb

Yikes. What have I just wachted?

Can we split this out into a separate thread, as it's a separate claim of evidence that is worthy of discussion. @Ben Harris - do you have any particular insights into this, or have colleagues who might want to cast a critical eye over things.

 

[deirdre]

. I imagine Rogan hasn't heard the podcast in full and is just going off rumours about dozens of children completely locked off and in separate rooms performing amazing feats of telepathy.

didnt you guys say the telepathy tapes woman was ON Rogan previously? not sure i'd categorize that as "rumours"

 

[Giddierone]

apparently normal children who have been taught how to lie.

I know. It's gaudy. It's appalling. I mention it only because it's stuff like this that Rogan folds into his inaccurate description of the Telepathy Tapes making it seem like it's settled science that psi is real.

 

[Ben Harris]

Psychic children have been popular in Chinese culture for decades. Here's a link to a Skeptics study from decades ago. Seems that the Western world is following suit.

Psychic Children in China

 

[deirdre]

Psychic Children in China

theres only one line in that very long article, not study, that mentions children.

Article:

It was in such a context that the public media reported finding some children who could identify human character by outward appearance—ear, forehead, and nose—and called it "special ability" (SA). The word "special" (Teyi in Chinese) means something a bit different from "paranormal," the word my American colleagues prefer to use.

Source: https://skepticalinquirer.org/newsletter/paranormal-in-china/

(not that i doubt there are psychic children in china. we've had Psychic kids and that other tv show where kids talk to dead people since that "i see dead people movie". so a few decades too. and once youtube and instagram let you make money parents started exploiting their children in a variety of ways to make money.)

 

[Mendel]

"i see dead people movie".

The Sixth Sense (1999)

 

[tinkertailor]

I wonder why this video (and others like it) didn't capture the public's imagination like the Telepathy Tapes has.

It has a lot to do with FC, in my opinion. A key component of FC is the idea that autistic nonspeaking children have abilities far above what society believes. FC proponents love to make feel-good inspirational content about autistic nonspeakers doing amazing things (i.e., getting a degree at a prestigious college, conducting a symphony). These stories serve as backyard propaganda for Spelling to Communicate or whatever the newest FC trend is; a lot of these kids are doing fantastical things through facilitation. I've heard it referenced as 'inspiration porn' for this reason. The idea is that these kids are locked inside a body limited by their autism. I think that lends itself really well to the idea of telepathy and that's why people are so obsessed with the Telepathy Tapes specifically.

To be clear, I know that autistic kids are amazing and powerful and do incredible things. I'm not saying they don't. I marvel at how funny, smart, bitingly sarcastic, passionate, and artistic these kids are daily. The thing is, they don't need supernatural abilities for me to know that.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

didnt you guys say the telepathy tapes woman was ON Rogan previously? not sure i'd categorize that as "rumours"

She was, but the problem with Rogan here is that he's completely mischaracterizing anything she ever said, and we already know that she herself mischaracterizes what she witnessed. It's Chinese whispers upon whispers, all the way down, or all the way up in this case, right to the top - the most listened-to podcaster in the world.

 

[Giddierone]

Yikes. What have I just wachted?

Oh, just search YouTube for Frank Elaridi. He's sure to be a claimant of the James Randi prize, because there are videos of him reading car number plates, detecting shapes and colours etc while blindfolded. With production values set to maximum ick.

 

[FatPhil]

Oh, just search YouTube for Frank Elaridi. He's sure to be a claimant of the James Randi prize, because there are videos of him reading car number plates, detecting shapes and colours etc while blindfolded. With production values set to maximum ick.

The payload in that otherwise-throwaway sentence was actually just to imply that I did indeed wacht it to the very end.

Seeing that made me wonder how good an education, core things like reading and writing, these kids are actually getting whilst having woo pumped into them.