Spielberg's "Disclosure Day" pre-release Speculation

JMartJr said:
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One problem—and it's a big one—with trying to describe what Satan and demons look like is that they are spirits. Spirits are, by definition, non-physical, and it is impossible to assign physical features to a non-physical entity. As spirit beings, demons do not have noses, eyes, hands, feet, tails, or anything else that we might look for in drafting a description.
]https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-demons-look-like.html
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This is of course all nonsense, it assumes everything that it states. What properties do you want your entirely-made-up entity to have? Some might want them to have eyes - many eyes. To assert they don't have eyes makes as much sense as asserting that they have many eyes. (Both make no sense, obviously.)
 
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In that pic, it looks like a deer. Deer are variously described as looking cute, majestic, adorable, sweet, etc. The word "satanic" is seldom used as a descriptor of how deer look. So I suspect this is just click bait.

PS: How does one know what Satan looks like? There are traditional depictions, but what are they based on? The Bible does not describe a physical appearance for Satan -- it DOES speak of Satan appearing as an "angel of light," deceptively. This is a decent summary:

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The closest the Bible comes to describing what Satan and the demons look like is in 2 Corinthians 11:14, "Satan disguises himself as an angel of light" (ESV). The surrounding verses refer to Satan's human servants disguising themselves as "apostles of Christ" and "servants of righteousness." In context, these descriptions refer to false teachers. But the principle surely applies to demons as well.

One problem—and it's a big one—with trying to describe what Satan and demons look like is that they are spirits. Spirits are, by definition, non-physical, and it is impossible to assign physical features to a non-physical entity. As spirit beings, demons do not have noses, eyes, hands, feet, tails, or anything else that we might look for in drafting a description. That's one reason the Bible never describes Satan's appearance. Even the "angel of light" description in 2 Corinthians 11:14 is not meant as a sketch of his appearance; rather, it means to emphasize his deceitful nature. The devil wants us to believe he is truth when in reality he is falsehood.

Should Satan decide to make a physical appearance—if he manifested himself to us visibly—he would do so in a deceptive manner. The common, pop culture portrayal of Satan as a scary, goat-like beast with horns is not found in the Bible. Prior to his rebellion against God, Satan was a beautiful, glorious being (see Ezekiel 28:12–15). What Satan "looks like" now is a mystery. Based on 2 Corinthians 11:14, though, we can know one thing for certain: Satan deceives people into thinking he is an angel of light. For Satan to reveal himself as the evil, murderous being that he is would be counterproductive. Most people would not follow the malicious maniac of conventional portrayals. Just as sin often looks attractive at first—only later revealing that it leads to death—so Satan would seek to deceive us by appearing as something other than evil.
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So, something that looks to the viewer like a scary, horny-headed evil monster devil as is often portrayed, it does not look Satanic!


(CAVEAT -- As a Christian who does not believe in a literal-being Satan, I am speaking about what others believe. I may misunderstand their beliefs. But they claim they are basing their beliefs on Biblical literalism So the Bible does not speak a lot to Satan's appearance, but to the extent that it DOES it does not support the idea that he would appear in a manner that they seem to consider "Satanic," making any claim that "this looks Satanic" seem somewhat problematic.
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Metabunk has been fairly good at recognizing how organized ufology as an industry seeking money and influence has, in the US, fluidly and ruthlessly transitioned from courting some of the more aging, liberal, crunchy legislators and their aides and lobbyists to younger, more overtly reactionary, nominally "anti-government" radical legislators, bureaucrats, lobbyists, influencers, donors, and aspiring private contractors, many sporting an outre radically apocalyptic flavor of "Christianity." Even the current VP knows the prevailing partyline: the aliens are "demons." I'd love to hear the city boy cosplaying as a hillbilly describe what he thinks the "orbs" are, and how to summon them. Should be enlightening... in understanding Peter Thiel's up to the minute thinking.

So I might expand past anodyne, here's what a website says summarizes biblical "deer" imagery and start thinking what masculinist Stag and Elk symbolism might look like to self-styled Christians who've never read even the Classics Illustrated equivalent of the New Testament but definitely saw 300 and know the Joe Rogan plagiarized cliffnotes aphorisms of hard men, or Sparta.

As an atheist, I don't necessarily take for granted what anyone believes, or claims to believe. I, too, have beliefs. That they are inconsistent makes me human. I don't take for granted Christians or self-styled "Christians" are also human. Modern history is replete with ideologues whose partisan goals betray their faith, when they're not altering the tenets of their faith to match the aspirations of their party, nor the conspiracies that drive the outrage.

If it's "just" clickbait, who is the audience? Is it expansive or lucrative? Just clickbait, but it somehow entered your orbit. If it influences public opinion, it's worthy of consideration and analysis. We live in a world shaped by all manner of and violence wrought by blood libel and incoherent end of days apocalyptic broadsheets and just-so stories.

You ask how does one know what Satan looks like? Living, breathing consensus decides, same with the mothman. They don't exist. It's not just okay but actually obligatory to treat and test and rail against bogeys as they confront us in the here and now, rather than retreat to comfortable appeals to logic the real world and real people do not abide by or, indeed, have ever heard of. Explaining Germ theory to 14th century Europeans wouldn't, would never, stop the pogroms and the sacrifices, sorry.
 
FatPhil said:
This is of course all nonsense, it assumes everything that it states. What properties do you want your entirely-made-up entity to have? Some might want them to have eyes - many eyes. To assert they don't have eyes makes as much sense as asserting that they have many eyes. (Both make no sense, obviously.)
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Please note, @JMartJr was quoting, and followed that with
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CAVEAT -- As a Christian who does not believe in a literal-being Satan, I am speaking about what others believe.
It is indeed all nonsense, but on that subject it's not HIS nonsense.
 
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Onyx said:
Thats because it literally is a deer, a buck specifically; which then transforms into an alien, via some clever camera work.
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Presumably, all that alien advanced Intelligence includes a comprehensive list of the various hunting seasons and regulations pertinent to the locals where they employ Operation Bambi. Otherwise, that alien might look real good mounted to the wall behind a bar in some redneck's Mancave.

My personal experience of legally hunting for a buck is similar to alien hunting. I've heard talk of them, but they've always elluded me.
 
Do we know if Spielberg's new movie is really about space aliens or "interdimensional" something? A la "Vallée"?
That might explain the whole "spirit" / "satanic" vibe, if indeed it's intentional.
 
Fritzkquzerk said:
Do we know if Spielberg's new movie is really about space aliens or "interdimensional" something? A la "Vallée"?
That might explain the whole "spirit" / "satanic" vibe, if indeed it's intentional.
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Note: he has done both in the past -- space aliens in CE3K and ET, and interdimensional flying saucer and grey-alien-type creature in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skul.
 
JMartJr said:
Note: he has done both in the past -- space aliens in CE3K and ET, and interdimensional flying saucer and grey-alien-type creature in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skul.
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And don't neglect War of the Worlds, where long-buried alien spacecraft are activated/possessed by bolts of lightning-like energy, and even A.I., where the frozen artificial boy is eventually revived to complete his purpose by evolved robots / aliens.

The backstory to Spielberg's War of the Worlds isn't clear, but some interpret it as the aliens carrying out a long-term plan to harvest humanity. It's not clear what the lightning bolts are doing: Projecting devices into the Earth? Powering up long-buried ships and/or crews? Beaming crews into buried ships?

In any case, they seem hangry.
 
NorCal Dave said:
Presumably, all that alien advanced Intelligence includes a comprehensive list of the various hunting seasons and regulations pertinent to the locals where they employ Operation Bambi. Otherwise, that alien might look real good mounted to the wall behind a bar in some redneck's Mancave.

My personal experience of legally hunting for a buck is similar to alien hunting. I've heard talk of them, but they've always elluded me.
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I had never realized before, but my back yard appears to be populated by aliens! When listing their characteristics, add this to the list: aliens show an inordinate fondness of bird seed.
 
They're just throwing in every trope, cliche, urban legend, bit of folk lore, traditional imagery, pre-packaged conspiracy theory, and recycled Spielbergania they can think of to pad out this cranked out cash grab.

Maybe it will be a less indifferent product than Star Wars: The Mandalorian & Grogu...?
 
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Z.W. Wolf said:
They're just throwing every trope, cliche, urban legend, bit of folk lore, traditional imagery, pre-packaged conspiracy theory, and recycled Spielbergania they can think of to pad out this cranked out cash grab.

Maybe it will be a less indifferent product than Star Wars: The Mandalorian & Grogu...?
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Remember, there are new generations of young consumers now who have probably never seen the older films. I saw the first Star Wars only after being urged to see it by my son, a teenager at the time, who had biked over to the nearby theater. Generally I found that if he recommended it, it wasn't something that interested me, but in that instance I wasn't disappointed.
 
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