Solved: MUFON case #124190: 'Mothership' UAP Crosses the North Pacific [Starlink Stack]

[Giddierone]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev9QOZOieFc
[Note: The above is a video summary of this thread. Original first post follows]


Notes on today's SCU presentation (the slides/photos are embargoed until 27 Aug 2023 so I'll not post them here):

• The object was described in the slide title as a "mothership".
• The date and time of the sighting were not disclosed.
• "Observed by Five Pilots" means 3 pilots in one aircraft and 2 in a second aircraft.
• Two photos of the "cigar shaped" object were shown (both taken from one of the aircraft).
• The video described in the announcement for the talk was not included in the presentation today. Richard Griffiths said only 13 seconds of the video's 16 second length are "useful".
• There are estimates of the objects speed up to "36,000 mph"
• Size estimates at least 0.5 of a mile long.

 

[yoshy]

The video described in the announcement for the talk was not included in the presentation today.

Are they planning on ever releasing the video or just the photos?

 

[Ravi]

Sorry, what is this all about? Any links, etc? I am not an expert in ufology.

 

[Scaramanga]

(the slides/photos are embargoed until 27 Aug 2023 so I'll not post them here):

So we have to pay the $60 a year subscription to see them ? How convenient.

 

[cptreynolds]

Is this the one?

https://updb.app/report/1-124190

 

[Mick West]

Is this the one?

https://updb.app/report/1-124190

Yes.

Looks like a Starlink train with the satellites close together.

5 airline pilots including one ex military saw a bunch of lights moving over 15Gs collaborate and then fly across the sky at a very high speed. We figure it was a mike long and same altitude. Approximately 37000 feet. It was about a mile long.

We were 3 hours NE of Hawaii. On route from OGG to YVR

EXIF on the video:
com.apple.quicktime.creationdate: 2022-08-10T01:38:38-1000

-1000 is Hawaii time, so UTC would be 2022-08-10 at 11:38:38

 

[Mick West]

EXIF on the video:
com.apple.quicktime.creationdate: 2022-08-10T01:38:38-1000

-1000 is Hawaii time, so UTC would be 2022-08-10 at 11:38:38

the photos are at (file1) 1:39:08 and (file2) 1:39:28, so 16 seconds apart

travelling this far against some fairly well defined stars, from left to right.

 

[Scaramanga]

Is this the one?

Ah, another one of the ' my camera battery ran out right in the middle of videoing a mile wide UFO' genre.

Notice how the sound suddenly changes just as the UFO 'rotates'...which actually suggests the camera is being moved and picking up sound differently ( probably a mobile phone being moved back to default portrait mode ) and not the UFO itself rotating.

 

[Mick West]

• There are estimates of the objects speed up to "36,000 mph"
• Size estimates at least 0.5 of a mile long.

In 16 seconds it goes 4x its own length. So taking the (highly dubious) size estimate at face value that would be 2 miles in 16 seconds, or 450 mph.

 

[Mick West]

Notice how the sound suddenly changes just as the UFO 'rotates'...which actually suggests the camera is being moved and picking up sound differently ( probably a mobile phone being moved back to default portrait mode ) and not the UFO itself rotating.

It's 100% the camera rotating. See this brightened version the "horizon" (maybe clouds or ocean) rotates.

 

[Scaramanga]

Looks like a Starlink train with the satellites close together.

At 450% magnification it is clearly composed of distinct individual points of light....

 

[Mick West]

EXIF on the video:
com.apple.quicktime.creationdate: 2022-08-10T01:38:38-1000

-1000 is Hawaii time, so UTC would be 2022-08-10 at 11:38:38

There was a starlink launch on 2022-8-10 at 02:14:40 UTC, about 9.5 hours earlier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...s#cite_ref-99:~:text=10 August 2022, 02:14:40

Article:

The 229-foot-tall (70-meter) Falcon 9 rocket lifted off from pad 39A at the Kennedy Space Center at 10:14:40 p.m. EDT Tuesday (0214:40 GMT Wednesday). The rocket's nine Merlin 1D main engines flashed to life and the Falcon thundered into a moonlit sky over Florida's Space Coast, heading northeast to line up with an orbital plane in SpaceX's Starlink network.

Source: https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/08/10/falcon-9-rocket-deploys-spacexs-3000th-starlink-internet-satellite/

 

[Giddierone]

If I remember correctly Richard said in the presentation today that the person taking the video knocked the phone into the window of the aircraft at that moment causing it to rotate and lose focus. (Some kind of Human Gimbal Limitation).

It's 100% the camera rotating

 

[Mick West]

Similar case on the same day, same pattern of lights. It's Starlink.

Mufon 124848,

2022-08-10
5:12AM
Weird series of lights in a row. Maybe 25-50, on a craft of some kind

was driving on 435 South towards Kansas City, when I saw ahead in the distance a strange series of lights in a row. I drove up and pulled over to the side of the road so I could get a good view of what I was seeing. Once I pulled over, I noticed that this definitely wasn't a plane, helicopter or a drone. I observed 25-50 lights on some sort of vessel. It looked like windows, illuminated from the inside of the craft. I didn't see any lights on the outside and it was so dark outside that it wasn't possible to make out the shape of the craft. I quickly took out my cellphone and was able to snap a picture and a short video. My photo is pretty blurry, which didn't make much sense to me, because my phone usually has no problems focusing. I would guess that the craft was maybe a mile up, hard to tell because it was so dark that morning. I watched the craft slowly move in a southeast direction and I lost it behind some clouds.

 

[RTM]

Looks like we don't have to wait a month, and it only took less than an hour here.

 

[Mick West]

Mufon 124125, Video time 2022-08-10 10:09:23 UTC

Brightened and blurred (bottom right), compared to the SCU/MUFON video (top right)
I'd say that pretty much confirms it.

 

[jarlrmai]

Mufon 124125, Video time 2022-08-10 10:09:23 UTC

View attachment 60783

Brightened and blurred (bottom right), compared to the SCU/MUFON video (top right)View attachment 60784
I'd say that pretty much confirms it.

Same gaps mostly.

 

[Mick West]

If I remember correctly Richard said in the presentation today that the person taking the video knocked the phone into the window of the aircraft at that moment causing it to rotate and lose focus. (Some kind of Human Gimbal Limitation).

Did they mention Starlink?

 

[Giddierone]

Did they mention Starlink?

It wasn't put forward as a possible explanation in the presentation. However, warp drives, "orbs picking up charge from the ionosphere" and undersea UFO bases were...

 

[RTM]

It wasn't put forward as a possible explanation in the presentation. However, warp drives, "orbs picking up charge from the ionosphere" and undersea UFO bases were...

Did the pilots present it as a likely non human craft, or other's after getting hold of the footage?

 

[Giddierone]

It was just Richard Griffiths giving a presentation relaying information he'd received and describing how he interprets it - not the pilots themselves.

Did the pilots present it as a likely non human craft, or other's after getting hold of the footage?

 

[Mick West]

Did the pilots present it as a likely non human craft, or other's after getting hold of the footage?

They (the report by the pilots) said it was a mile long UFO.

SCU describe it as a "'Mothership' UAP"

 

[jarlrmai]

I managed to get an Astrometry match by adjusting the image a little to make the apparent stars stick out a bit more, and removing the train

https://nova.astrometry.net/user_images/8325204#original

 

[Giddierone]

Mothership

Such a specific term for something unidentified. Griffiths' presentation mentioned smaller orbs and speculation about them emerging from or going into the larger "object". Firmly UFO lore i.e.

Source: Otto Binder's Our Space Age, 1967 (printed in various newspapers these are from Patterson News, New Jersey and the Courrier-Post)

 

[flarkey]

I truly dispair at the ineptitude of the SCU.

 

[Mick West]

Here's the two planes: AC536 and AS954

 

[jarlrmai]

I guess there's no TLEs that cover immediate post launch Starlink train positions?

 

[Mick West]

2022-08-10 at 11:38 UTC AC536 is at 39.237902, -138.888954 and 37,000 feet, 11278 meters
2022-08-10

 

[flarkey]

I guess there's no TLEs that cover immediate post launch Starlink train positions?

Source: https://twitter.com/TSKelso/status/1556201044102692864?s=20

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/sup-gp.php?FILE=starlink-g4-26&FORMAT=tle

STARLINK-G4-26 STACK
1 72000C 22097A 22222.10427778 .00079168 00000+0 13040-3 0 09
2 72000 53.2190 249.4977 0077526 44.7868 32.1202 15.96675264 19
STARLINK-G4-26 SINGLE
1 72001C 22097B 22222.10427778 .01041707 00000+0 16879-2 0 01
2 72001 53.2189 249.4977 0077464 44.9070 32.0000 15.96664287 14

 

[Amathia]

I truly dispair at the ineptitude of the SCU.

Oh, this is them? They had an AMA on reddit a few days ago and got massively downvoted when they mentioned they would not be releasing the video and only two photos. Seems like they can't please anyone

 

[jarlrmai]

I mean they and us are largely irrelevant now it's straight "You totally have alien bodies and spaceships" "no we don't" fight between Burchett, Luna and Grusch etc and Kirkpatrick/US DOD.

The videos are irrelevant basically right?

 

[Mick West]

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/sup-gp.php?FILE=starlink-g4-26&FORMAT=tle

Putting that in Stellarium. The star they are passing is Castor. Here. the Starlink G4-26 Stack at 11:39:08 (first photo)

And the second photo, at 11:39:28

The location of the UAP in both photos matches the Starlink stack down to the second. This is, 100%, Starlink.

 

[Giddierone]

So how long were the identified objects actually? Is it the whole train or a part they are observing?

 

[Amathia]

Putting that in Stellarium. The star they are passing is Castor. Here. the Starlink G4-26 Stack at 11:39:08 (first photo)
View attachment 60808

And the second photo, at 11:39:28

View attachment 60809

The location of the UAP in both photos matches the Starlink stack down to the second. This is, 100%, Starlink.

Does anyone ever send them an email to check out these threads whenever something gets solved? Might save them several weeks or months worth of fruitless analyzing while you folks manage to solve them in, what, 4ish hours for this one?

 

[Mick West]

Does anyone ever send them an email to check out these threads whenever something gets solved? Might save them several weeks or months worth of fruitless analyzing while you folks manage to solve them in, what, 4ish hours for this one?

They already spent those fruitless months. They announced they had this video months ago, but saved it for a conference. They did not say that it was this already published MUFON case. Today was the day of the conference, they showed the two photos, but not the video. They then, apparently, said the video and photos were under some embargo until Aug 27 - despite them being freely available on the internet.

It's all a bit odd.

They have been tagged on the Twitter discussion that links here.

 

[Mendel]

Might save them several weeks or months worth of fruitless analyzing while you folks manage to solve them in, what, 4ish hours for this one?

The tools for solving this are public, they could easily learn to do it themselves.

 

[Amathia]

They already spent those fruitless months. They announced they had this video months ago, but saved it for a conference. They did not say that it was this already published MUFON case. Today was the day of the conference, they showed the two photos, but not the video. They then, apparently, said the video and photos were under some embargo until Aug 27 - despite them being freely available on the internet.

It's all a bit odd.

They have been tagged on the Twitter discussion that links here.

That's strange. On reddit they said they couldn't publish it because they don't own it and don't have the rights to publish it:

Wow! This one blew up, so clearly we owe a point of clarification since some folks are misunderstanding our meaning.

Dr. Griffiths doesn't believe the video is useful for making calculations for size, luminosity, or distance due to the poor quality and lack of stars. His talk is centered on two higher quality photographs.

It's also worth noting that we don't own the video in question, and do not have the rights to publish it. However, we expect it to be made public in the not-too-distant future.

Hope this explains things a bit!

 

[Amathia]

The tools for solving this are public, they could easily learn to do it themselves.

The real reason for me asking is because I'm interested to see if they'd ever acknowledge a case they just presented on has been solved and if they'd ever credit Mick and the folks here for solving it, or if they'd rather just keep the case "open" and continue claiming it's unsolved even after being informed otherwise.

 

[jarlrmai]

The real reason for me asking is because I'm interested to see if they'd ever acknowledge a case they just presented on has been solved and if they'd ever credit Mick and the folks here for solving it, or if they'd rather just keep the case "open" and continue claiming it's unsolved even after being informed otherwise.

If the Aguadilla case is anything to go by it's the latter.

 

[DaveG]

Well done Mick and everyone else on solving this so quickly. I will say, it's a bit unfair to criticize the SCU so harshly. Though if they'd sought out more collaboration from people here, people familiar with Starlink trains shortly after launch, they wouldn't have looked so foolish. Also the supplemental sets don't appear in satellite tracking software, so unless you knew what to look for, you wouldn't find it.

I'm not making excuses, I find it pretty disappointing and embarrassing too.

Mick, do you plan on making a video? I'm sure when presented with conclusive evidence, as in this case, they would make a correction.