November 13 2024 Congress hearings

I appreciate that Corbell wants to help me "reclaim the very fabric of (my) reality..."

but statements like that, combined with his willingness to go "to objectively extreme measures"

and all his other silly drama, makes me willing to give him my place in the "reclaiming reality" line...
 
A additional written statement from Matt Ford, dated November 18, was added to the hearing record as an addendum to Elizondo's testimony. Ford is a UFO podcaster and Director of Strategy for the UAP Disclosure Fund where Luis Elizondo is on the Board of Directors.

The statement draws on claims made in an article in the tabloid Daily Mail last year alleging the CIA has been heavily involved in collecting alien spacecraft, of which nine have allegedly been recovered with two being intact. And on claims made in a follow up post on Chris Sharp's blog ("The Liberation Times") that alleges the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology has been gatekeeping technology derived from UAP research conducted by the DoD. The latter blog post is very likely the source of the claim about Glenn Gaffney in the document entered into the hearing record by Rep. Burchett (post #83). Ford's statement goes even further and claims a conspiracy by Sean Kirkpatrick/AARO and the CIA to intercept whistleblower testimony and inform the CIA of their identity.

All sources for these claims are anonymous and no corroborating evidence is provided. Ford also self-censored names in his statement for some reason (perhaps to appear as if it's some kind of classified information and not just a podcaster making unsupported claims?)

Original article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ce-UFO-retrieval-missions-whistleblowers.html

Blog post:
https://www.liberationtimes.com/hom...ncluding-italian-magenta-craft-sources-reveal

Ford's statement entered into the hearing record
https://www.congress.gov/118/meetin...-118-GO06-Wstate-ElizondoL-20241113-SD001.pdf

Relevant portion of Ford's statement (bold by Ford):
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In November of last year, journalists Christopher Sharp, Josh Boswell, and I published a story in The Daily Mail, exposing, for the first time, the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology's Office of Global Access and its classified UAP crash recovery program. Last weekend, Christopher Sharp published a follow-up article in The Liberation Times, providing further detail on how the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology operates its UAP-related crash recovery and reverse engineering programs through the Office of Global Access and the CIA's Counterproliferation Mission Center (WCPMC).

The head of the Directorate of Science and Technology serves as the primary gatekeeper of the entire UAP deep-legacy program, overseeing operations such as the detection of UAPs through classified platforms, recovery operations, disbursement of recovered craft to government agencies and private defense contractors, and protection of derived off-world technologies. My sources have alleged that [self-censored] the former head of the Directorate of Science and Technology, is one of these gatekeepers.

Last year, I revealed that Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the former Director of AARO, had assembled a secret technical advisory group to counsel AARO. Following my story, Dr. Kirkpatrick confirmed the existence of this committee to members of Congress but refused to disclose the members' identities. As of two weeks ago, my sources informed me that this classified advisory board continues to advise AARO.

Multiple sources have confirmed that [self-censored] the former head of the Directorate of Science and Technology and gatekeeper of the UAP deep legacy program, was hand-picked by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick to be on this advisory board. I must emphasize this: The most consequential person involved with the coverup of non-human technology is "advising" the office which Congress has given a mandate to find it. This is an abomination. This is unconstitutional. This is criminal.

Furthermore, this revelation is significant because one of AARO's primary missions is to provide a means for government whistleblowers to make protected disclosures on classified UAP Special Access Programs (SAPs) and Controlled Access Programs (CAPs) to AARO and its staff. The fact that Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick chose as one of his primary advisors the very gatekeeper overseeing CIA-controlled UAP access programs raises serious questions about Dr. Kirkpatrick's true motives as the Director of AARO. This reporting indicates that AARO may function as a flypaper operation, intercepting whistleblowers' testimony and feeding their identities back to the CIA.

You have heard that there are whistleblowers who don't trust AARO. My sources have informed me that this is one of the reasons why. If the CIA intercepts their testimony before it reaches Congress, whistleblowers are in grave danger.

Therefore, I implore you to wield your subpoena powers against hostile witnesses such as [self-censored] and the former head of the CIA's Office of Global Access, [self-censored] Dozens of whistleblowers are depending on you.
 
A additional written statement from Matt Ford, dated November 18, was added to the hearing record as an addendum to Elizondo's testimony. Ford is a UFO podcaster and Director of Strategy for the UAP Disclosure Fund where Luis Elizondo is on the Board of Directors.
Just sounds like they're laying further groundwork to cast doubt on the intentions of AARO. That's certainly how this story has been used on UFO reddit.
 
A additional written statement from Matt Ford, dated November 18, was added to the hearing record as an addendum to Elizondo's testimony.
The UAP clown show: Giving away secrets and methods is very risky, and your life is in danger if you do so. That's why our favorite 'whistleblowers' must remain cryptic in their 'disclosure', even after appearing on 117 different podcasts per week.

Also the UAP clown show: Matt Ford and other self-proclaimed 'journalists' are revealing the inner-workings of The Deep, Dark State, and you should totally trust them because...'sources.' And if you're wondering why they, themselves aren't now facing risk of injury or death from revealing this super-secret information, it's probably because you're part of the problem and likely on the CIA's payroll!

It occurs to me that perhaps the strategy of these absolute frauds is simply to bore us to tears with their incessant inanity, hoping we'll just ignore and forget about the entire topic altogether. If so, I'd say they're close to achieving their goal.
 
Office of Global Access
Counterproliferation Mission Center
detection of UAPs through classified platforms, recovery operations, disbursement of recovered craft to government agencies and private defense contractors
This sounds like it could be referring to one or more real programs in the CIA/DoD which maintains contacts and infiltration/exfiltration plans with countries around the world so that we can quickly send in some kind of special force team to do a raid or recovery of some material / equipment when we want to. Like if we discover that some uranium or a nuclear device was stolen or being left unattended in Kazakhstan, or for whatever reason was up for grabs, we would obviously like to be able to acquire that very quickly if possible and it is helpful to have contacts in Kazakhstan so that we can send in planes and troops and scientists to very quickly do so. For example.

This retrieval program would have good reason to advise AARO because AARO is getting reports of people who heard stories about devices obtained from foreign countries and this program might legitimately have relevant knowledge about some of those cases because the witness making the report might be referring to real things but just getting the details wrong, and the CIA can shed light on this to AARO in order to resolve the case. Like oh that top secret rocket we transported from Belarus? That wasn't an alien spaceship, it was a Soviet ballistic missile. Which of course would have reason to be classified. And the DoD might also like to know who has been originating the leaks of real top secret information mixed with misinformation like this.

So a lot of this misinformation and rumors being spread by folks like Matt Ford might be grounded in some bit of truth. There are teams in the military whose job it is to secretly recover technology and material from around the world. They just aren't recovering NHI/ET spacecraft, it's normal human technology and the reason it is classified is understandable. It also raises the concern that some of these pushes for a broad "disclosure of everything mentioned in stories I heard about", if carried out, could be a serious national security threat to the US and our allies, because some of the false rumors are built on top of real classified information that some countries like Russia and China would very much like to get declassified. I'm sure Russia would like to know all the details about the US's efforts to recover nuclear materials globally.
 
This sounds like it could be referring to one or more real programs in the CIA/DoD which maintains contacts and infiltration/exfiltration plans with countries around the world so that we can quickly send in some kind of special force team to do a raid or recovery of some material / equipment when we want to. Like if we discover that some uranium or a nuclear device was stolen or being left unattended in Kazakhstan, or for whatever reason was up for grabs, we would obviously like to be able to acquire that very quickly if possible and it is helpful to have contacts in Kazakhstan so that we can send in planes and troops and scientists to very quickly do so. For example.

This retrieval program would have good reason to advise AARO because AARO is getting reports of people who heard stories about devices obtained from foreign countries and this program might legitimately have relevant knowledge about some of those cases because the witness making the report might be referring to real things but just getting the details wrong, and the CIA can shed light on this to AARO in order to resolve the case. Like oh that top secret rocket we transported from Belarus? That wasn't an alien spaceship, it was a Soviet ballistic missile. Which of course would have reason to be classified. And the DoD might also like to know who has been originating the leaks of real top secret information mixed with misinformation like this.

So a lot of this misinformation and rumors being spread by folks like Matt Ford might be grounded in some bit of truth. There are teams in the military whose job it is to secretly recover technology and material from around the world. They just aren't recovering NHI/ET spacecraft, it's normal human technology and the reason it is classified is understandable. It also raises the concern that some of these pushes for a broad "disclosure of everything mentioned in stories I heard about", if carried out, could be a serious national security threat to the US and our allies, because some of the false rumors are built on top of real classified information that some countries like Russia and China would very much like to get declassified. I'm sure Russia would like to know all the details about the US's efforts to recover nuclear materials globally.
They're toying around with things that people don't know.

The CIA has a group that is, most literally, dedicated to covert acquisition of materials and etc. It is based out of SAC not DS&T.
The OGA deals with R&D related to enabling technical collection operations and some protective functions. I'll give a random theoretical example. Let's say you want to breach into China's missile defense networks, not to disrupt them, but to collect intelligence on their processes. Instead of manually having technical officers collect this data and pass it to analysts, it's 2024, you have the bright idea of using an AI driven scraping system to exist passively on the system siphoning targeted data from specific taskings as they come in. The people making the tools for this would be OGA, and they'd likely be handling parts of the data stream also (they would not do the "hacking"/CNO part).
I'm 99% confident I know where this draw is even coming from, and it's the root sources misunderstanding (or intentionally misrepresenting, but I doubt they followed this in depth anyways) reorganized organizational structures. What the current OGA is came out of the Office of Advanced Technologies and Projects (leaving out a longer wall explaining other lineage) that handled, very broadly, all "advanced" technologies and R&D projects as it was termed at the time. This was later reorganized and multiple new offices within DS&T spawned out of the specific teams within it. OGA came from the team there dealing with, at the time, "advanced" projects that were pretty much what they do now, just in the 90s instead and the er, devolved state of technology from now. There is one source that references this connection online, but does not elaborate at all what so ever on it.

The "Counterproliferation Center" no longer exists, it was reorganized in 2004 after the Office of the Director of National Intelligence was created. What CPC was linearly shifted into is what the ODNI now calls the National Counterproliferation and Biosecurity Center (NCBC). Instead, how it works now, is ODNI "leads" the NCBC and they are primarily responsible for policy, oversight, and coordination of IC components participating in counterproliferation (and biosecurity now) functions. The CIA is a member agency of NCBC.

There's a second point to this also to cover. There is a component of the prior (CIA) CPC and now the (ODNI) NCBC responsible for yes, "recovering" materials if that is people want to term it. This group is an interagency group, led by the ODNI through the NCBC (not the CIA) called the Strategic Interdiction Group.
This group is responsible not for recovering, but interdicting weapons of mass destruction and other materials of importance (eg terror or transnational criminal groups with dangerous CBRN materials but as-of-yet not weaponized). Much like with how ODNI and NCBC function, the SIG staff itself deal a lot more with coordinating and planning between the different participating bodies in the SIG. This is not just the CIA, but also includes a host of other entities with relevant capabilities like from the Dept of Energy and Dept of Defense & certain CBRN environment-capable SOF groups can be attached to it but are not "members". This group does not just handle the literal interdictions in the sense of obtaining the object, but also includes relevant targeted intelligence processes and etc.
 
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This sounds like it could be referring to one or more real programs in the CIA/DoD which maintains contacts and infiltration/exfiltration plans with countries around the world so that we can quickly send in some kind of special force team to do a raid or recovery of some material / equipment when we want to.
Agreed. There are numerous such scenarios that have occurred over the past decades that we know about, and it seems only logical to assume that there are several more that we've never heard about. From the race to recover uranium and nukes from Eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union, to the secret U.S. mission to retrieve a sunken Russian sub, to more subtle yet pressing events such as this one:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izZMB816kEY
 
Inconsequential, but worth archiving for reference.

Source: https://x.com/blackvaultcom/status/1863630538155712811

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Here's the image file in case anyone has Twitter issues:
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"There are consistently two shapes that are unknown and unidentified. The government, our government can not explain."
My money is on "Sphere" being one of the two shapes, with the second shape being a toss-up between triangle, oval or cylinder. At least if we go by this chart AARO showed in 2023, orb seems to be the vast majority of the sightings (I suspect it's because it covers anything from ballons to distant in or out of focus lights).

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I also suspect it's a case of "unidentified things mostly fall within one of two shapes" rather than "these two shapes are consistently unknown or unidentifiable". It's the difference between saying most sport balls are spherical or egg-shaped and saying most spherical or egg-shaped things are sport balls.
 
Worth recalling that things out in the Low Information Zone may well look like an orb or tic-tac, etc., while in fact being shaped like, oh, let's say, an airplane. If it is not too far away to detect, but too far to see details needed to identify it visually, one sees a simple shape that justt represents something being there!

An example:
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...the Tic-Tac I've clumsily circled in red above is in fact...


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...THIS Boeing 717 operated by Delta Airlines, that day as Delta Flight 2474 out of Chicago in route to Detroit!
Source: https://youtu.be/nPGmUF6R3CY



Of course, it MAY be coincidental that simplified shapes that match what you'd see when you detect something too far away to identify account for so many UFOs and their reported shapes. And SOME things that generate UFO reports are on fact of the oft-reported shapes, balloons being an example. But to me this all makes tabulating reported shapes not worth much, though it looks very data-y.
 
Tim Burchett is at it again, absolutely SURE that aliens (either extraterrestrial or the earthly kind) are among us and can do magical things.
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"I haven't been briefed on this, just from what I'm putting together, but we have some secret sonar. But what's so crazy about it, like we're hiding it from the Chinese. Well heck, Matt, the Chinese sold us the components for it. They know what's in our sonar probably better than we do.

"But when they tell me something's moving at hundreds of miles an hour underwater, and our capabilities are– I don't think we have anything that'll do 40 miles an hour, and this one was as large as a football field underwater, and this was a documented case, and I have an admiral telling me this stuff.

"I just think, traveling light years, I think it happens. I think it's possible in the vastness of God's great universe. I mean light years, you know, the light from those stars that we see at night left there before the time of Christ. I mean, the vastness of God's great universe is unreal.

"I'm not worried about them harming me. I mean, with that capabilities, they would have barbecued us a long time ago." – GOP Rep. Tim Burchett, speaking on Matt Gaetz's OAN show.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dhximmiyxc
 
Tim Burchett is at it again, absolutely SURE that aliens (either extraterrestrial or the earthly kind) are among us and can do magical things.
External Quote:
"I haven't been briefed on this, just from what I'm putting together, but we have some secret sonar. But what's so crazy about it, like we're hiding it from the Chinese. Well heck, Matt, the Chinese sold us the components for it. They know what's in our sonar probably better than we do.

"But when they tell me something's moving at hundreds of miles an hour underwater, and our capabilities are– I don't think we have anything that'll do 40 miles an hour, and this one was as large as a football field underwater, and this was a documented case, and I have an admiral telling me this stuff.

"I just think, traveling light years, I think it happens. I think it's possible in the vastness of God's great universe. I mean light years, you know, the light from those stars that we see at night left there before the time of Christ. I mean, the vastness of God's great universe is unreal.

"I'm not worried about them harming me. I mean, with that capabilities, they would have barbecued us a long time ago." – GOP Rep. Tim Burchett, speaking on Matt Gaetz's OAN show.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dhximmiyxc

"BE NOT AFRAID... of a 15% corporate tax rate."
 
"Big UFO" is following the standard lobbyists playbook:
  1. Establish and grow your cause in public consciousness.
  2. Recruit the wealthy and influential to support your cause.
  3. Mainstream your cause with academic and political support.
This strategy is hampered by a torrent of nonsense, hoaxes, and grifters. The self-sabotage of "believers" who cannot recognize this and even perpetuate this torrent cannot be underestimated. I cringe whenever I hear Roswell UFO.
It's funny going back to that June, 2023 interview between Coulthart and Grusch, now that we have more perspective on the whole saga. Coulthart's tabloid-journalism is even more glaring, and the amount of editing done to that interview is amazing. Who would've guessed that a year-and-a-half later we would have no more to go on than Grusch's original claims, with zero corroboration or evidence of anything?
Just going to blow my own horn here, but I always had a strong suspicion of a big bluff at play, dating back to my first post in this forum in August 2023. The question is whether Grusch was a knowing participant or manipulated.
This appears to be an attempt to bluff the US government into exposing its own deep-state conspiracy by recruiting more powerful players within the government to join the hunt for the alleged deep-state conspirators.
As the "front man", Grusch may have relied on his "information network" for support and access to credible whistle blowers, testimony, and evidence that was promised before his testimonies but failed to materialize after. Due to this, he may have opted to step back for PR and legal damage control.

How ufologists handle their evidence may also be self-sabotaging. Ego and self-interest may cause some to withhold what they consider to be their best evidence for negotiated "exchange" or sale, and to ensure credit or income is not lost to a "competitor". Ironic considering the "disclosure" movement.

The final result, when they finally do share the evidence they have gathered and jealously guarded, a more objective recipient may be left bewildered by how poor the "evidence" may be. This may also have happened to Grusch.
 
How ufologists handle their evidence may also be self-sabotaging. Ego and self-interest may cause some to withhold what they consider to be their best evidence for negotiated "exchange" or sale, and to ensure credit or income is not lost to a "competitor". Ironic considering the "disclosure" movement.

The final result, when they finally do share the evidence they have gathered and jealously guarded, a more objective recipient may be left bewildered by how poor the "evidence" may be. This may also have happened to Grusch.

Excellent point. Maybe for a separate thread but I commented somewhere that up until very recently, the UFO crowd seemed to be mostly cooperative in the social media era, often cross pollinating with each other. Often looking the other way at some of the more questionable events.

The Third Phase of the Moon website will claim a cattle gate in Hawaii is Area 51 and promote claims by huckster Jaime Mausson while featuring Steven Greer. Garry Nolan will then work with Greer's supposed alien skull, while also being involved with Vallee and the UAPx guys. Knapp practically created Skinwalker Ranch, along with Puthoff, but also gave us Bob Lazar, which Jeremy Corbell still validates but got to enter a statement into the congressional record. And lots of them visit the Joe Rogan show.

In the past, like with the Bigfooters of the '60s-'80s it was all about personal gain and jealously guarding one's information. There was constant infighting, with big personalities and egos. I believe it was similar in UFOlogy in the '80s-'90s. John Lear was one of the big names, he introduced Knapp to Lazar then sorta brought in Bill Cooper to the scene. Cooper became the big deal and eventually turned on Lear, claiming he was a CIA plant.

It seemed though, that as we got into the big social media world in the '00s, the UFO world came together to an extent. They all had their gigs and hustles, but they found it more advantageous to cooperate a bit. Likely because this allowed a sharing of audiences. Similar to programing on the Discovery networks with an Ancient Alien show that runs ads for a Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch show, both of which feature Travis Talyor.

I wonder if this current age starts with the NYT '17 article that introduced Elizondo. While there were always ex-government types in the UFO world, the narrative starts to really change with this article. While the whole AATIP/AAWSAP thing was completely mangled, this was when the UFO world went from the outside looking in, to being on the inside. Even more so now, as they've added Grusch, Stratton, Galludet, Graves, Barber and the rest. All supposedly high ranking intelligence type people, more or less, from inside the government and the government's UFO programs. As such, these guys have the real goods and go straight to the head of the class. They're instantly the BMOC (Big Men On Campus).

At the same time, we have the introduction of a new big ego journalist in Ross Coulthart. Previously there was George Knapp, the grandaddy of legit, if small time, journalist turned UFO reporter and to a lesser extent, Linda Moulton Howe (LMH). Both were local TV reporters that rose to national levels in the UFO world when they got into UFO stories. LMH finely went a bit far with believing, for a while, that NASA had conducted several secret Apollo missions up to the '80s. Knapp is like the wise sage still riding the wave of Bob Lazar, John Lear and Area 51. He would go on to write a number of books, 2 of which were about Skinwalker Ranch, including the government boondoggle that was AAWSAP. Corbel is his young protégé or ingenue, making documentaries that try to legitimize the silly stories of Knapp's original golden ticket, Bob Lazar.

But the torch has clearly passed. While Corbel puts out occasional videos of floating jellyfish aliens, it's Coulthart that helped launch Grusch and Barber into the spotlight.

I think there is definitely some riffs starting to form. All these government types clamoring for disclosure are supposedly in positions to disclose, yet they don't. They all tell some great stories, but that's all they have, stories. And the longer some of them are around, the more their claims don't really pan out. Elizondo has been around a good 8 years now and even in the UFO world, he's increasingly being seen as more hustler than discloser. It will be interesting to see where the new Barber claims go, but he's already following a well-worn trail. Come out with some fantastic claims, but not a lot of evidence. Get your name out there, then form a foundation or company or cos-play club or some sort of UFO/UAP advisory group and start with the social media dumps. Tease up a lot of hype and then produce very little. Maybe he'll reveal what the egg thing is, but I think for the most part, it'll just be more lights in the sky.
 
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