November 13 2024 Congress hearings

[Tezcatlipoca]

Thank you! I hate fooling around with X posts, one can't copy or sometimes even see all of them without having an account.

Just to reiterate your highlights, this was something we suspected:

As for having it reviewed for public release by State Department, that should be a major red flag. Anything submitted to an organization for public release has a stamp on it. This one doesn't, for one. Secondly if anything, State Department does not review for Public Release other department's information. That's just made up.

Granted, this is the opinion of Kirkpatrick, a known government disinformation and counter-intelligence shill, however the basic facts of what he's saying can be checked. If correct, those few lines about the State Department approval in the "report" are damaging. Critically I would argue. Right from the first paragraph the "report" is incorrect and likely made up. This is a line to make it sound official, or at least that the author was really inside and had his "report" cleared. This likely never happened and wouldn't have happened at the Sate Department.

If the opening paragraph is, at best, some sort of misunderstanding and at worst an outright fabrication about something important like getting proper government clearance, what does that say about the rest of the "report". And really, suggesting it's some sort of misunderstanding is overly generous.

Are we to believe this guy, who works at the DoD took his secret findings from the DoD over to someone at the State Department's Bureau of Global Public Affairs to get it signed off? And they did? I guess one could argue our author showed up with this "report" and someone at State just said: " Yeah, sure go for it. It has nothing to do with us, have fun." Just FYI, there is a real Bureau of Global Public Affairs and they describe their mission like this:

Our Mission
The mission of the Bureau of Global Public Affairs (GPA) is to serve the American people by effectively communicating U.S. foreign policy priorities and the importance of diplomacy to American audiences, and engaging foreign publics to enhance their understanding of and support for the values and policies of the United States.

https://www.state.gov/bureaus-offic...blic-affairs/bureau-of-global-public-affairs/

Doesn't seem to have anything to do with approving super-secret classified information from the DoD for public dissemination, but I don't work in government. Other may know better.

Again, regardless of what Corbel or the Matt Fords of the UFO world think of Kirkpatrick, this is something that can be checked and verified. Something one would certainly think a supposed journalist like Shellenberger would do.

The transcripts of DoD leadership to Congress is particularly entertaining. If such things existed in the way he describes, he certainly wouldn't have access to them through his lawful duties. The only transcripts we had were public record transcripts from hearings.

I think this is referring to this paragraph in the "report" that says the author has seen transcripts of secret meetings between DoD/ARRO and congress that downplays or obfuscates the UAP programs the author claims were happening:

Discrepancies found throughout the internal records of AARO and DoD interactions with • Congress cast serious doubts on the integrity of the DoD's statements to the elected leaders of the United States Government. Extant transcripts held by DoD leadership show a pattern of • trivialization, obfuscation, and outright denial of UAP data in what were intended to be highly classified, private, and transparent conversations with appropriate Congressional members. This same behavior also prevents critical members of Congress from receiving an accurate assessmei1t of the national security risks posed by UAPs.

Sumed up like this:

...and finally, the denial of the existence of IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION by DoD representatives to appropriate Congressional members and their staff.

I, the author know all about this stuff, but congress doesn't. Until now.

This quote though, while maybe not as earth shattereing as the diclosure of IMM CONN, is pretty interesting:

Unfortunately, a number of people upload social media video to our classified systems to talk about. There's a UAP enthusiasts group on the classified system. It would not surprise me if he was referring to that. Anything valid and real would be in AARO's database, which may also be what he's referring to.

Is he saying that UFOlogist in government with access to classified system upload shit from YouTube?! Now that deserves at least a mini-hearing.

I mentioned it before but, I think the report pretty clearly states too that it is not an actual official government product, it is a pet project report on behalf of someone on their free time. If you're working a staff office like that and presumably use the systems he used to get the info, anything you'd write would theoretically have to be cleared. If you wrote an article based off something in SIPR that's entirely open source, you'd still run into that issue area because your work is a derivative of classified materials.

As for the DOS part, there is a tiny potential it is legitimate, but the only reason I could see holding it in that case would be if this person was detailed or attached there for some sort of role and was theoretically going through their systems and processes rather than DODs.

To your last part also, yes. Those fancy intranets have talk forums and things like that, they're not all necessarily er, work related in the most definitive sense. Thankfully those don't inherently get pulled into any actual work but there is the potential they could be.

 

[Mendel]

Is he saying that UFOlogists in government with access to classified systems upload shit from YouTube?! Now that deserves at least a mini-hearing.

Well, at least now we know where he gets it from when Elizondo claims "government sources" handed him another picture of a lampshade.

 

[Jack Mallory]

These are not serious people.

https://secure.winred.com/timburche...t-life-in-dc-tri-blend-black-t-shirt/details/

 

[Ann K]

These are not serious people.

"And just where do you work, Tim? Oh, in DC?"

 

[MapperGuy]

Is he saying that UFOlogist in government with access to classified system upload shit from YouTube?! Now that deserves at least a mini-hearing.

It can be done, by those with the proper authorizations and accesses. And there is a reason to do so. If just a reference to a YouTube was posted then people would be visiting YouTube itself on the internet to look at the video, creating a record of these people being interested in that video. Once the video is posted on the classified network YouTube looses all insight into who is looking at that video and how often. Allowing people who don't want their interest in that video, or the topic in general, to become public to see and comment on it on the classified network.

 

[knobby]

Grothman just said they were not able to substantiate any of Grusch's claims in classified settings / SCIFs with various agencies.

Isn't this the bombshell from the hearing? Official confirmation that Grusch's testimony, including the classified details kept from us, have not substantiated following multiple investigations from by the members of the committee. I think this means Grusch is now discredited.

 

[Mendel]

Isn't this the bombshell from the hearing? Official confirmation that Grusch's testimony, including the classified details kept from us, have not substantiated following multiple investigations from by the members of the committee. I think this means Grusch is now discredited.

It would be a bombshell if it was unexpected. On this forum, it's not really a surprise, more a "nice!" and a nod for me.

 

[knobby]

It would be a bombshell if it was unexpected.

Agree but I think the bombshell is that we now have an official statement from the chairman of the committee investigating UAPs that Grush's claims, including the classified details, could not be substantiated. Although the UFO movement is distrustful of government, this UAP caucus is widely seen by the community as being on their side so this statement was pretty damning.

 

[NoParty]

Isn't this the bombshell from the hearing?

"Conclusive evidence" ?
"Smoking gun of zero evidence"?
I totally get your point, that it is very significant, and also Mendel's, that bombshells are usually
unexpected, whereas few here would be the least bit surprised that there's nothing there.

 

[Ann K]

I think this means Grusch is now discredited.

Can we forget how to spell his name now?

 

[Jack Mallory]

There was a fairly comprehensive breakdown of Lue's documented military career on Twitter by @OSIRISUAP.
It's after midnight for me and I need to get to bed but I'll see if can't track down the specifics tomorrow.

Edit: Oh, I see he's member here as well. Maybe he can chime in directly then.

Found it @skb8721

Source: https://medium.com/@osirisuap/ufo-celebrities-military-service-records-and-grey-fox-task-force-orange-does-it-make-sense-7d3f69fb2fb5

 

[Mick West]

But who determines the seating arrangement at something like this?

I think there's a bunch of front row reserved seats for guests of of the committee members, and then the rest is first come first served. Several people (like Matt Ford) employed a line-holding service to secure a good spot ($180 for 3 hours). So that's not an assigned seat.
https://washingtonexpresslinestanding.com/line-standing-seat-holding-services-washington-d-c/

 

[Harabeck]

For future reference on the Grothman quote, it occurs at 31:28 of the full video.

While these agencies have been helpful to us in understanding the challenges that come from collecting UAP data, none of them have been able to substantiate the claims made at this hearing last year by David Grusch, despite our committee members endlessly questioning these agencies, inside and outside of a SCIF.

 

[Jack Mallory]

For future reference on the Grothman quote, it occurs at 31:28 of the full video.

While these agencies have been helpful to us in understanding the challenges that come from collecting UAP data, none of them have been able to substantiate the claims made at this hearing last year by David Grusch, despite our committee members endlessly questioning these agencies, inside and outside of a SCIF.

Thanks for that, I was just about to do the same.

But do we yet have any clarity as to whether or not Grusch, himself, spoke to commmittee members inside a SCIF? Because that would be quite a bit different than whatever conversations took place without him. Inside of a SCIF is where Grusch promised to provide more detail to the committee, but I've yet to come across any verification that such a meeting (or meetings) ever occurred.

 

[knobby]

But do we yet have any clarity as to whether or not Grusch, himself, spoke to commmittee members inside a SCIF?

I don't know if he was able to do that however he stated in his interview with Ross Coulthart that he had provided all the information in an earlier interview with committee staffers. I can't locate the specifics but recall it was a 10+ hour interview with Senate Intelligence committee staff who had security clearances. Perhaps his testimony has been shared with the house committees investigating UAPs.

Well, we provided the proof internally to the Inspector General and the Hill Staff when all the details


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1481djx/david_grusch_interview_full_transcript_pdf_image/

 

[GlobularOrb]

Is he saying that UFOlogist in government with access to classified system upload shit from YouTube?! Now that deserves at least a mini-hearing.

The official FLIR1 released by the government a few years ago was originally ripped from youtube in 2007, was then given to AAWSAP for "analysis," presumably by Fravor, and later was released as an official government video alongside Gimbal and GoFast (It seems Axelrod vouched for its authenticity post-2017, and DoD just went with that). So uploading videos from youtube has been going on for a while.

 

[DavidB66]

But of course Marik has an open mind about aliens!

 

[Mendel]

The official FLIR1 released by the government a few years ago was originally ripped from youtube in 2007, was then given to AAWSAP for "analysis," presumably by Fravor, and later was released as an official government video alongside Gimbal and GoFast (It seems Axelrod vouched for its authenticity post-2017, and DoD just went with that). So uploading videos from youtube has been going on for a while.

How do you know that? Is there a source for this claim?

 

[Jack Mallory]

I don't know if he was able to do that however he stated in his interview with Ross Coulthart that he had provided all the information in an earlier interview with committee staffers.

But that was all prior to his Congressional testimony in July, 2023. I'm curious to know if there was any follow-up to Grusch's repeated pledges during that hearing he could provide more info, and answers some questions more directly, in a SCIF after the hearing. If he did, I'm wondering why more hasn't been made of that. And if he didn't (whether by his decision or someone else's), that raises a whole host of other questions.

It's funny going back to that June, 2023 interview between Coulthart and Grusch, now that we have more perspective on the whole saga. Coulthart's tabloid-journalism is even more glaring, and the amount of editing done to that interview is amazing. Who would've guessed that a year-and-a-half later we would have no more to go on than Grusch's original claims, with zero corroboration or evidence of anything?

 

[Harabeck]

But that was all prior to his Congressional testimony in July, 2023. I'm curious to know if there was any follow-up to Grusch's repeated pledges during that hearing he could provide more info, and answers some questions more directly, in a SCIF after the hearing. If he did, I'm wondering why more hasn't been made of that. And if he didn't (whether by his decision or someone else's), that raises a whole host of other questions.

It's funny going back to that June, 2023 interview between Coulthart and Grusch, now that we have more perspective on the whole saga. Coulthart's tabloid-journalism is even more glaring, and the amount of editing done to that interview is amazing. Who would've guessed that a year-and-a-half later we would have no more to go on than Grusch's original claims, with zero corroboration or evidence of anything?

We discussed Grusch's extensive efforts to dodge talking to AARO and other activities that definitely weren't disclosure in this thread. If you're asking why the UFO community hasn't made more of it, I'd guess the answer is embarrassment.

 

[Mendel]

Who would've guessed that a year-and-a-half later we would have no more to go on than Grusch's original claims, with zero corroboration or evidence of anything?

Well....

So what I'm expecting is this:
• there were programs doing ufology that Congress didn't know about that they were doing
• the DoD has people who go out to crash sites and retrieve stuff, and most of it is explained.

For the first point, I thought of AAWSAP and AATIP (and now we know about the KONA BLUE proposal). We get a repeat of this with the Immaculate Constellation claim, parts of which ("up to 100%") are fake.

And the second point never came up.

So I guess even I expected more than we actually got.

 

[JMartJr]

We discussed Grusch's extensive efforts to dodge talking to AARO and other activities that definitely weren't disclosure in this thread. If you're asking why the UFO community hasn't made more of it, I'd guess the answer is embarrassment.

My question is, will there be any consequences from Congress? Testifying under oath that you have stuff you will reveal in a SCIF and then not doing so seems problematic. If they ever got him into a SCIF, and if he then did not follow through, that might be considered as perjury, or contempt of Congress - -lying under oath in the hearings about what he would do in a SCIF. From what I have read, they got some folks into a SCIF to try and verify Grusch's claims. It does not seem plausible that he would not have been one of them, unless he refused, which puts us back at possible contempt of Congress.

I might just have to write my Congresswoman about that...

 

[NorCal Dave]

He did not attend, he was in Cairo.

(00:00 - 00:58) Good day and welcome to a special edition of Reality Check coming to you live from Cairo, Egypt. I didn't attend today's hearing in the Congress for the house oversight and accountability committee, because I had a prior engagement to be a host of a tour of Egypt's ancient ruins and it's a very fascinating trip, I have to say, I'm really enjoying the experience and there is a definitive connection to the UAP mystery, because just like the UAP mystery, the issue of the ancient technologies, the mystery of the ancient technologies of the ancient ruins of Egypt are in plain sight, and they pose a conundrum, an inexplicable conundrum. Who the hell built them? And just like the UFO issue, there's a hell lot of evidence that everybody's been ignoring and sticking their head in the sand zone.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEMVdPqMjHI

Off topic a bit, we could go to the Couthart thread if more discussion is warranted, BUT wow has he gone full Monty on all this stuff! Now's he's blending Hancockian ancient Atlantans in Egypt with UFOs.

He's right to ask: "Who the hell built them?" Was it Hancock's Atlantans for 11K years ago or Coulthart's UFO aliens? Truely a conundrum. But hey, for $5300, airfare not included, you too can bunk up with a stranger and hear the answer:

While these agencies have been helpful to us in understanding the challenges that come from collecting UAP data, none of them have been able to substantiate the claims made at this hearing last year by David Grusch, despite our committee members endlessly questioning these agencies, inside and outside of a SCIF.

Thanks for that, I was just about to do the same.

But do we yet have any clarity as to whether or not Grusch, himself, spoke to commmittee members inside a SCIF? Because that would be quite a bit different than whatever conversations took place without him. Inside of a SCIF is where Grusch promised to provide more detail to the committee, but I've yet to come across any verification that such a meeting (or meetings) ever occurred.

The quote from Grothman really makes it sound like they took what Grusch said and/or provided to them and then questioned the agencies involved, including in SCIFs. It doesn't sound like they talked to Grusch in a SCIF. And even in a SCIF, there were not able to substantiate the claims.

Now you and I may conclude that the claims were therefore false, or at least exaggerated misunderstandings, given they can't be verified by the agencies Grusch suggested would in fact, verify them. In the UFO world, it's just another sign of government coverup so they move onto the newest blockbuster UFO story, Immaculate Constipation Constellation. I don't see that story going far, and seriously, I keep misspelling "Constellation", and the computer offers to correct it to "Constipation" which I just have to go with.

 

[Jack Mallory]

"I wish there was a little less pitching, and more talking." - Rep. Luna


Source: https://x.com/XExcalibur333/status/1857285736674009363

 

[JMartJr]

Rep. Luna seems on the verge of realizing that she's being played. Interesting.

 

[jarlrmai]

I never thought I'd see the day Rep. Luna says something I agree with..

 

[jarlrmai]

Rep. Luna seems on the verge of realizing that she's being played. Interesting.

I think you mean the deep state has 'got to' Rep. Luna.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Found it @skb8721

Source: https://medium.com/@osirisuap/ufo-celebrities-military-service-records-and-grey-fox-task-force-orange-does-it-make-sense-7d3f69fb2fb5

I did cover a tiny issue with this though, less for major fundamental issues but cause it could be used to hit a the reporting.

What is called "Grey Fox", yes, you can/could actually get there at E4 (mostly E5 now). The recruiting system for it actually sends out emails for relevant MOS once you hit E4/E5 at any of the branches, not just the Army. Yes, they also pull in CI officers for one of their Operational Tracks (the career paths for that SMU series are called "operational tracks"). It's called the US Army Personnel Assessments Branch (USAPAB).

The recruiting system for "Grey Fox" (it doesn't recruit by itself, explained below) also does not really pull many "Rangers, Green Berets, or SEALs" like claimed. With that said, some of the people who do pass selection and eventually join have worked as intelligence enablers for varying SOF assignments beforehand, with that said it recruits SOF enablers though, they're not looking for top notch DA or UW operators. Most also do not come out of JSOC, JSOC has its own intelligence unit called Joint Intelligence Branch (JIB) and there's very few operators making the switch to become intel enablers, not unheard of but not super common. This is all stuff that was relevant then in more rudimentary forms, leaving out modern stuff that's not as relevant to the point. Example sourcing broken down into 1 and 2 respective to each bullet point.

Spoiler: 1/USAPAB

Spoiler: 2/JSOC JIB

^^ Is also the issue, Lue claims that "Great Skills" PER HIS MENTOR is Grey Fox. If you want to follow some of the few public examples look up USARED (prior) and USAPAB (current), they run proxy-selections for a tiny select list of intelligence based SMUs. Also in the book, Lue does NOT claim he was part of this group, he stated that his mentor was part of MICECP, and that his mentor suggested he go into the GSP which he claimed was also "Grey Fox". The mentor himself was, properly referenced "a" "MICECP" (its an HR classification system not a program itself).
MICECP Explainer from INSCOM

The Military Intelligence Civilian Excepted Career Program is a Headquarters, Department of the Army program managed by the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). The MICECP Staff under the authority of INSCOM is responsible for recruiting, training, and developing a highly qualified, technically skilled, foreign language capable, mobile civilian intelligence workforce to conduct sensitive intelligence and counterintelligence operational missions worldwide. The MICECP is administered by the U.S. Army Field Support Center, a subordinate element of INSCOM, and is located at Fort George G. Meade, MD.

What Elizondo did claim is that mentor suggested and the he did go into the Great Skills Program (GSP) -common name / Military Intelligence Excepted Career Program (MIECP) - formal administrative name. Like USAPAB, the GSP is another recruiting system that focuses on proxy-recruitments for intelligence personnel. Unlike USAPAB which only recruits for SMUs, GSP broadly recruits for intelligence-related SAPs themselves and for folks supporting interagency intelligence programs. MICECP, GSP, and "Grey Fox" at the time (which recruits through what is now USAPAB, not MICECP or GSP) are all distinct things. Also, you cannot be part of MICECP and MIECP, they are both administrative systems for DASR placements but one is for civilians and the other is for active service members.

With all that said. It is unlikely that Elizondo was part of "Grey Fox", although he did not claim that. What he did claim is that he was part of the Great Skills Program/MIECP. Once he became a civilian, yes the roles he held he was likely working through the MICECP himself. So the GSP(MIECP)/MICECP(once civ) part is probably accurate.

 

[NoParty]

Rep. Luna seems on the verge of realizing that she's being played. Interesting.

I never thought I'd see the day Rep. Luna says something I agree with..

I'd never heard of her, so I did the Wikipedia:
It's a good read, recommended...very funny...one-time model turned MAGA George Santos in a dress.

That said, yes, the line about people's books was great. She does seem to realize that the
juicy 1/3 pound cheeseburger she sat down for, was actually a nothingburger.
Or perhaps even just a photo of one.

 

[NorCal Dave]

I did cover a tiny issue with this though, less for major fundamental issues but cause it could be used to hit a the reporting.

What is called "Grey Fox", yes, you can actually get there at E4. The recruiting system for it actually sends out emails for relevant MOS once you hit E4 at any of the branches, not just the Army. Yes, they also pull in CI officers for one of their Operational Tracks (the career paths for that SMU series are called "operational tracks")
The recruiting system for "Grey Fox" (it doesn't recruit by itself, explained below) also does not really pull many "Rangers, Green Berets, or SEALs" like claimed. With that said, some of the people who do pass selection and eventually join have worked as intelligence enablers for varying SOF assignments beforehand, with that said it recruits SOF enablers though, they're not looking for top notch DA or UW operators. Most also do not come out of JSOC, JSOC has its own intelligence unit called JREG and there's very few operators making the switch to become intel enablers, not unheard of but not super common.

^^ Is also the issue, Lue claims that "MICECP" (which he incorrectly acronyms in the book) is Grey Fox. That is not true, if you were a civilian employed by or contracting with what Grey Fox is, yes, you would be in MICECP - although it has its own recruiting system. If you want to follow some of the few public examples look up USARED and USAPAB, they run proxy-selections for a tiny select list of intelligence based SMUs.

Uh....I'm assuming this is very informative, but maybe for us "never worked in government, military or the Intell community" I have no idea what your talking about. At least no without reading the entire blog post you're referencing.

It's by Jeremy McGowan, who also seems to go by OSIRISUAP. He is part of the UAPx group and had a major falling out with Elizondo after first joining with him. A few of us have discussed this in private because it's kind of a "he said/he said" situation.

This probably could use a thread of its own, as it gets a bit lengthy and complicated.

The short, short version is that McGowan had some sort of UFO experience while deployed to the middle east in the '90s. In the mid '00s, suffering from depression and PTSD, he took to building a UFO hunting vehicle as a form of therapy. One of Elizondo's people heard about it and eventually brought McGowan into Elizondos fold with the possibility of a TV show based on McGowans UFO hunting Land Rover.

The TV show never quite materialized and McGowan became increasingly convinced the Elizondo was less the truthful and a bit of a hustler. He wrote about all of this in a number lengthy blog posts.

Now it seems he's gotten a hold of Elizondo's military records for the 4 years he was active duty and is publicly questions some of the stories about Elizondo. Again, probably a McGowan & Elizondo thread of its own.

EDIT: Ok now having read the entire blog, McGowan is saying the idea that Elizondo was part of Grey Fox is very unlikely, if not imposible. But @Tezcatlipoca is saying the McGowan's description of who can get into Grey Fox is not really correct. So yeah, a different thread. I'll see if I can get some of the other stuff from McGowan I had in some private chats and get a thread going.

 

[Jack Mallory]

It's by Jeremy McGowan, who also seems to go by OSIRISUAP. He is part of the UAPx group and had a major falling out with Elizondo after first joining with him. A few of us have discussed this in private because it's kind of a "he said/he said" situation.

He goes by that moniker here as well @OSIRISUAP (although only seems to have posted once in, back in April, 2024, and that was in an Elizondo-specific thread).
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-black-vaults-twitter-thread-on-misleading-claims-by-elizondo-ttsa-and-others.

Jeremy has also shared his personal UAP encounters, and personal dealings with Elizondo, on a couple of different podcasts. I won't rehash any of it here, but his stories are easy enough to track down with a basic podcast search under his full name.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Uh....I'm assuming this is very informative, but maybe for us "never worked in government, military or the Intell community" I have no idea what your talking about. At least no without reading the entire blog post you're referencing.

It's by Jeremy McGowan, who also seems to go by OSIRISUAP. He is part of the UAPx group and had a major falling out with Elizondo after first joining with him. A few of us have discussed this in private because it's kind of a "he said/he said" situation.

This probably could use a thread of its own, as it gets a bit lengthy and complicated.

The short, short version is that McGowan had some sort of UFO experience while deployed to the middle east in the '90s. In the mid '00s, suffering from depression and PTSD, he took to building a UFO hunting vehicle as a form of therapy. One of Elizondo's people heard about it and eventually brought McGowan into Elizondos fold with the possibility of a TV show based on McGowans UFO hunting Land Rover.

The TV show never quite materialized and McGowan became increasingly convinced the Elizondo was less the truthful and a bit of a hustler. He wrote about all of this in a number lengthy blog posts.

Now it seems he's gotten a hold of Elizondo's military records for the 4 years he was active duty and is publicly questions some of the stories about Elizondo. Again, probably a McGowan & Elizondo thread of its own.

EDIT: Ok now having read the entire blog, McGowan is saying the idea that Elizondo was part of Grey Fox is very unlikely, if not imposible. But @Tezcatlipoca is saying the McGowan's description of who can get into Grey Fox is not really correct. So yeah, a different thread. I'll see if I can get some of the other stuff from McGowan I had in some private chats and get a thread going.

Been super busy the past few days and writing on the fly my apologies. I updated it to refine some points more and also attached screenshot references to section claims & also sources related to counterpoints. If you make a breakoff thread I'll copy that post and throw it there, just updated the prior to not make another longer post with this one.

I don't think McGowen has any malign intent or anything there either, I think he just uh, severely dropped the ball understanding what he was covering there and accidentally presented some issues cause of it. I did discuss this with him on twitter after he posted it but he has failed to update the article despite at least being cognizant of the issues now in his twitter replies - that I will hold him too he should update the article.

 

[eleggua]

I'd never heard of her, so I did the Wikipedia:
It's a good read, recommended...very funny...one-time model turned MAGA George Santos in a dress.

Same here. Curious, though, about "Some of her autobiographical claims have been disputed." noted on the wikip page.
They've no linked attribution for that claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Paulina_Luna

 

[Ann K]

Same here. Curious, though, about "Some of her autobiographical claims have been disputed." noted on the wikip page.
They've no linked attribution for that claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Paulina_Luna

It's elsewhere on the page, with attributions.

Luna has claimed her father raised her to follow Messianic Judaism, an evangelical movement that incorporates Jewish traditions into Protestant Christianity, and that she is "a small fraction Ashkenazi".[3]​[22]​[65]​[66]​ Members of her extended family have said her father was Catholic and that "they were not aware of him practicing any form of Judaism while Luna was growing up". Her mother has said that Luna's father was a "Christian that embraced the Messianic faith" after getting clean from drug addiction. Her grandfather, Heinrich Mayerhofer, identified as Catholic when he immigrated to Canada in 1954.[3]​

In 2020, Luna claimed in a PragerU documentary that her "entire mother's side of the family and father's side of the family on both sides are from Mexico".[7]​ Her paternal grandfather, however, was German.[3]​

 

[Mendel]

From the "who's who" thread:

And look at the congress-folk. No one came.

It's a good sign. The previous hearing was interesting to the Oversight Committee because Grusch had claimed black programs operating outside of congressional oversight. However, these claims evaporated:

For future reference on the Grothman quote, it occurs at 31:28 of the full video.

While these agencies have been helpful to us in understanding the challenges that come from collecting UAP data, none of them have been able to substantiate the claims made at this hearing last year by David Grusch, despite our committee members endlessly questioning these agencies, inside and outside of a SCIF.

And the witness statements, available in advance for the committee members and their staff to look at, were uninteresting from an oversight perspective, with Immaculate Constellation not being actionable evidence. The members interested in oversight but not in UFOs had no reason to be there, and were probably spending their time on more important issues.

 

[NorCal Dave]

And the witness statements, available in advance for the committee members and their staff to look at, were uninteresting from an oversight perspective, with Immaculate Constellation not being actionable evidence. The members interested in oversight but not in UFOs had no reason to be there, and were probably spending their time on more important issues.

Yeah, after reading the statements beforehand I skipped watching it live. I did entertain a fantasy though about being a congressman-for-a-day and getting up there and grilling these guys.

I got invited to a town hall with our local congressman around the time of the first UAP hearings and had a notion to chime in on the complete lack of any evidence presented at these hearings. But our local guy doesn't seem to be interested in UAP from what I can tell, and the agenda for the town hall was focused more on local subjects like water and tax relief for fire victims.

 

[CasualDebunk]

Yeah, after reading the statements beforehand I skipped watching it live. I did entertain a fantasy though about being a congressman-for-a-day and getting up there and grilling these guys.

From a public relations perspective I entirely understand why, for want of a better word, someone more reasonable from Congress wasn't up there doing just that.

Speaking in broad strokes the UFO conspiracy crowd will never accept an answer that isn't aliens. Look at how badly Kirkpatrick was raked over the coals for saying just that. All you'd be doing is putting a target on your back for that community.

Career wise the smartest move is to give non- committal responses like the majority of the other members of Congress do. It's an unfortunate situation.

 

[Mendel]

From the other thread:

Corbell's covering letter is a farce. He's practically begging to testify. Begging.

Not just "practically", he's literally begging to testify.

Though given he could publish what he wants through Weaponized, it's unclear what he would testify about that isn't already public knowledge.

Spoiler: afterthought

If you asked me what institution Corbell should be in contact with, I must admit Congress wouldn't be the first that comes to my mind.

 

[Mendel]

Not just "practically", he's literally begging to testify.

not "if", "when I am formally invited"

 

[Ann K]

not "if", "when I am formally invited"

In other words, "I want the attention of congress, and I want it televised as well. And if I don't get my national platform, I'll tell everyone that the government is hiding information and censoring me."

<** Drama queen flounces offstage **>