Nanothermite vs. Thermite/Thermate for Cutting Thick Steel

Nano thermite differs from thermite in terms of reaction speed .
- Devices that cut steel or concrete direct the heat from a thermitic reaction and vaporise anything in their path so there is no melting or cutting.
- smaller sized thermitic particles (micro-nano) will generate those gases faster
 

Landru

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Nano thermite differs from thermite in terms of reaction speed .
- Devices that cut steel or concrete direct the heat from a thermitic reaction and vaporise anything in their path so there is no melting or cutting.
- smaller sized thermitic particles (micro-nano) will generate those gases faster
You base this on what?
 

Alienentity

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Nano thermite differs from thermite in terms of reaction speed .
- Devices that cut steel or concrete direct the heat from a thermitic reaction and vaporise anything in their path so there is no melting or cutting.
- smaller sized thermitic particles (micro-nano) will generate those gases faster
Show us some experimental data of a nanothermite cutting device then. A youtube video would be fine...
If you can link us to a patent for a nanothermite cutting device that would be swell. Looking forward to seeing that!
 
Show us some experimental data of a nanothermite cutting device then. A youtube video would be fine...
If you can link us to a patent for a nanothermite cutting device that would be swell. Looking forward to seeing that!
No its classified , who would have thought devices capable of taking down high rise buildings are not published online for any of 'our' enemies to see and copy.Why not just email kim jong directly?
 

Landru

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No its classified , who would have thought devices capable of taking down high rise buildings are not published online for any of 'our' enemies to see and copy.Why not just email kim jong directly?

Do you have any proof it's classified? Just makin stuff up aren't ya.
 
How can you prove something thats classified ?
The proof is in the pudding so to say, we know that the building was taken down by explosives and there was remnant of thermitic material both exploded and unexploded therefore some device must exist
 

Landru

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How can you prove something thats classified ?
The proof is in the pudding so to say, we know that the building was taken down by explosives and there was remnant of thermitic material both exploded and unexploded therefore some device must exist

Lol
 
Lol , that is why this forum topic is pointless, maybe in 20 years you will see the thermite device being ''invented'' by SAIC corporation .
 

Landru

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Lol , that is why this forum topic is pointless, maybe in 20 years you will see the thermite device being ''invented'' by SAIC corporation .

Science Application International Corporation? Any proof? These are the same clowns that did the 2004 Olympics and Echelon.
 
  1. http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html
 

Landru

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  1. http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html

How about real sources and not conspiracy sources?
 
No
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This one is for you alien scientist remember the last topic about DSC curves.

Tillotson TM, Simpson RL, Hrubesh LW (1999), Nanostructure High Explosives Using Sol-gel Chemistry, 98-ERD-048, LLNL Laboratory Directed Research and Development, Annual Report FY1999
https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/238334.pdf (p 8-11 or 181 of 255)
 

Landru

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This one is for you alien scientist remember the last topic about DSC curves.

Tillotson TM, Simpson RL, Hrubesh LW (1999), Nanostructure High Explosives Using Sol-gel Chemistry, 98-ERD-048, LLNL Laboratory Directed Research and Development, Annual Report FY1999
https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/238334.pdf (p 8-11 or 181 of 255)

LOL you don't
 
Previous post by another user showed a thermite cutting device for steel homemade by an engineer .
I have provided links showing that nano-thermite is just a more dense,compact and controllable type of thermite.
 

Mick West

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Previous post by another user showed a thermite cutting device for steel homemade by an engineer .
I have provided links showing that nano-thermite is just a more dense,compact and controllable type of thermite.

Can you quote the bit the says that? And most importantly how much more, and how does this affect its ability to cut steel?
 

Alienentity

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No its classified , who would have thought devices capable of taking down high rise buildings are not published online for any of 'our' enemies to see and copy.Why not just email kim jong directly?
:facepalm:

Dude, techniques for controlled demolition are not classified. Anyone who wants to learn about it can go and work in the industry.
The reason terrorists don't use these techniques is because IT'S WAY TOO DIFFICULT TO SETUP IN AN OCCUPIED OFFICE BUILDING!!

What you DO see them do is drive up to a facility they've targeted with a car or truck bomb. This has happened hundreds of times in Iraq and Afghanistan, just to name two notorious locations for terror attacks.
NEVER in history has a terror group of any kind spent months wiring an office building with explosives. They don't have to face the insurmountable odds which would face them.

On 9/11 it was the same thing except the 'bomb' was literally the plane and its fuel. Ingeniously only requiring a small conspiracy to hijack 4 planes.
In New York, WTC 4,5,6,7 and surrounding buildings were collateral damage, they were clearly not the primary targets.

There never has been any evidence to contradict this sequence of events. The mere fact that you cannot even produce a schematic of a nanothermite cutting device which might show that such a thing exists further reinforces the reliance you have on pure speculation.
You don't know how nanothermite could be used in any way that would make it 'better' than regular thermite at cutting thick steel, so you pretend the information is unknowable.

Then your whole premise descends into the realm of science-fiction fantasy, nothing more.
 

Alienentity

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Previous post by another user showed a thermite cutting device for steel homemade by an engineer .
I have provided links showing that nano-thermite is just a more dense,compact and controllable type of thermite.

Oh, and you've never provided a single citation that thermite itself can efficiently cut thick steel, in particular the size and form of structural steel in the WTC towers.
That has never been experimentally demonstrated by anybody.

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Alien entity , :facepalm: , controlled demolition companies use 'ancient' technology, obviously a extremely efficient steel cutting device such as a nanothermite would be lethal in the hands the enemy and no doubt would be classified due to national security. :0 , why can't you get that…
 

Mick West

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Alien entity , :facepalm: , controlled demolition companies use 'ancient' technology, obviously a extremely efficient steel cutting device such as a nanothermite would be lethal in the hands the enemy and no doubt would be classified due to national security. :0 , why can't you get that…

And so why don't they issue a national security takedown of Cole's video?
 

Vec

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I've seen that video before and it still cracks me up. How many of those brilliant contraptions would have to have been ignited to make a controlled demolition happen? 100? 500? 1000?

Is there a thread about the actual science of controlled demolition? Because I'm almost certain that many people don't actually know what goes into making one happen.
 

Mick West

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I've seen that video before and it still cracks me up. How many of those brilliant contraptions would have to have been ignited to make a controlled demolition happen? 100? 500? 1000?

Is there a thread about the actual science of controlled demolition? Because I'm almost certain that many people don't actually know what goes into making one happen.

There's some discussion of that here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-plausibility-of-demolishing-wtc7-with-explosives-on-9-11.2518/
 

Mick West

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Because its a homemade device, I'm sure with billions of dollars from the black budget and top scientists it would have been a much more efficient device.

But that's basically just hand-waving "oh the government must have super advanced technology".

History does not tally with this. In fact the government tends to use rather old technology, simply because it is more reliable.

What's the reliability statistics for using nanothermite to demolish buildings? An untested substance used for the first time to do something that had never been done before, even with other substances?

How would that work? That's what we are trying to determine here.
 
But that's basically just hand-waving "oh the government must have super advanced technology".

History does not tally with this. In fact the government tends to use rather old technology, simply because it is more reliable.

What's the reliability statistics for using nanothermite to demolish buildings? An untested substance used for the first time to do something that had never been done before, even with other substances?

How would that work? That's what we are trying to determine here.
The problem is we don't know how many classified things are used because if they are successful they are generally kept classified so that 'enemies' like china won't just go out and copy them.
Im sure they would have tested it on steel structures.
 

Mick West

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The problem is we don't know how many classified things are used because if they are successful they are generally kept classified so that 'enemies' like china won't just go out and copy them.
Im sure they would have tested it on steel structures.

Unless you have some actual information to share, please don't just speculate.

"I'm sure", is not information.
 

Alienentity

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LOL LMAO !!????
Uhmm, this thermite didn't cut through a steel beam, for one. To do that you'd have to demonstrate it cutting completely through a cross-section of steel.
Also, I think you forgot this part: 'in particular the size and form of structural steel in the WTC towers.' That was up to 4 inches thick.

How thick was the steel in this amateur video? Do you even care?

Look again at the title of the thread. Thick Steel. You know, 2 inches or 3 inches thick. Nobody has demonstrated that thermite can cut through a thick steel beam, consistent with the structural steel of the WTC towers;
Show us such a video where it cuts thru a cross-section completely. Please. I'd like to see this.
 
Ah yes in the video after he easily breaks the steel apart with his hands. However there is no evidence of fire affecting steel skyscrapers because heat is transferred by steel as its a metal and therefore won't weaken as there was 47 core columns all connected , it would be like setting fire in a battleship and expecting it to self collapse from within .
 
3 factors I have yet to see even mentioned in discussion of nanothermite. UEL, LEL, and LOC anytime you want to burn something these play a prominant role. What is the proposed Lower and Upper Explosive levels of AI in particulate , the Limiting Oxygen Concentration of AI, and the estimated oxygen contribution of Iron Oxide at the nano level ? Simply scaling down the process does not necessarily increase the effectivity. as you reach the nano proportions in the oxidizer at some point the oxygen concentration is going to become such as to become limiting in the reaction. put quiet simply too much o2 it dont go boom or even fizz.
 

Hitstirrer

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Ships closely packed with un-fireproofed furniture and fuel, floating in water doesn't seem to relate to thermite issues. [Admin: Referring to split thread https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fi...stration-of-possible-9-11-fire-effects.2929/] In post #128 we also saw reference to blacksmith's forges as evidence that steel can be softened. 'Forge' being the relevent word. It takes special circumstances for a hydrocarbon fire to affect steel to make it fail catastrophically. But if I was to mention that a steel pan full of water on a fire doesn't soften - or if I dared to suggest that a woodburner stove doesn't soften when a fire is lit inside it, my input would be deleted. Koff.

I would suggest that it has already been demonstrated that ordinary run of the mill thermite ( that I could make in my garage ) can not only soften steel ; but melt it. There are then many links to information about its high tech cousin - nanothermite. Not least being wiki. All the indications are that it is far more potent than my garage mix. So I really don't understand why people who can accept the power of my garage mix can't then agree that a more powerful version would have a more powerful effect. As such I fail to see what this thread is about.
 
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Josh Heuer

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I don't think nano thermite is any more powerful, it's just more reactive.
But still, if fire can weaken steal enough to cause collapse...and thermite can cause temps that go a step further and literally melt steel...again, it all comes down to there being a device capable of directing that reaction. There's no evidence of that (remember, they didn't look for any such thing anyway, so why would there be?) so this thread is really pointless. We know the differences between nano and micron sized particles of thermite. It's all in the reactivity.
 

Hitstirrer

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I don't think nano thermite is any more powerful, it's just more reactive.

Yes. I'm sorry about my use of the word 'powerful'. The usual interpretation of that word implies that more 'work' is being done. In this case its more about how fast that same 'work' is done. But as I said, if its accepted that the basic form of thermite is capable of melting steel, then its illogical to debate whether a more reactive version can do that same thing.

I'm also sure that if Jon Cole could get hold of a large quantity of nanothermite we would soon see a new YouTube showing a suitable home made device cutting large sections of steel. Don't forget that one logical reason to use thermite in demolition would be to reduce the concussive noise. If, for some reason, that was a major consideration then a combination of severe weakening of steel followed by a tiny charge to throw the weakened area aside would have some merit.
 

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