Jake Barber tells Ross Coulthart about non-human technology - The "Egg"

Is anyone seeing something missing here? In all the posts showing actual help cargo lifts/drops, there are ground crews securing or detaching the lines. Where is the ground crew in the video? You'd think such a 'prize' capture like this would have vested interest from those higher in command, or at the very least, someone to help guide the pilot from the ground. Where are they?

Also, to my amateur observations, the item seems to have no weight at all. Someone on one of the many threads on this over at reddit said -

Or, as someone commented on another thread... a balloon on a selfie-stick "landing" on the ceiling.
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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1i4mwk4/comment/m7yk32d/


Which presents an interesting theory on faking a shot like this - what if it is upside down? Going to grab the clip and flip it to see if it changes the perspective in any way.
 
My take is the egg is light for its size compared to the max load design of the main cable so it doesnt stretch it.

The setup is 1 thick cable connected to the 2 sides of the sling with lighter gauge cable on the sling
The load carrier (claimed helicopter) descends, the thick cable (purple) mostly obscures the lighter gauge sling cable (red) as both are stretched downwards

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The egg touches down, we see the lighter gauge cable reel down as the load carrier (claimed helicopter) continues to descend and also moves laterally to the now mostly at rest egg.

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jarlrmai said:
My take is the egg is light for its size compared to the max load design of the main cable so it doesnt stretch it.

The setup is 1 thick cable connected to the 2 sides of the sling with lighter gauge cable on the sling
The load carrier (claimed helicopter) descends, the thick cable (purple) mostly obscures the lighter gauge sling cable (red) as both are stretched downwards

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The egg touches down, we see the lighter gauge cable reel down as the load carrier (claimed helicopter) continues to descend and also moves laterally to the now mostly at rest egg.

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Reel down? Reel down from what? Is that the way cables dangling down from helicopters work?

Fishing poles have reels.
 
jarlrmai said:
Short in length the start and are seemingly arbitrary, where's the bit where people come in to support the payload, most etc why is it not longer?
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Military video with no overlays, in 16:9 (of course could be cropped by NN etc)
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I have no possible explanation for why the video ross showed us is so short.

I recorded a (well known) ufo (it was flares) event in San Diego. And while recording it I was thinking "this is so dumb there's no way this is a UFO" and so I turned off the camera.

But why would a technical video recording like this be so short? That makes no sense to me. I have no respect for this ross fellow, and it's absurd he tried to shell game this video into the UFO discussion the way he did. Let alone once again, having a short, contextless video, without any knowledge of where it came from.

I don't even think this one is worth debunking. Im just gonna move on to the next national freakout. Which Im sure is just around the corner.
 
Z.W. Wolf said:
I think I'm settling on straight out hoax. There's no helicopter. This is just a fishing rod and some kind of artificial surface.
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So, the hoaxer would have covered the fishing rod in some sort of striped sleeve to hide the rod and approximate the cover on a real long line:

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I don't know about long line protectors, but one can find fishing rod sleeves in a number of patterns and colors. Similar enough?

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https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/bass-pro-shops-spinning-rod-sock
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Casting-...ded-Mesh-Protector-Pole-Gloves-Tool/312078513

But maybe they had a harder time finding a cargo net that looked to scale, though I'm sure they're available at the right hobby places, and went with this ribbed looking sling thing:

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Which can also be found at the tackle store:

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Just saying.

Because that ground just doesn't look right.
 
The striping is a video effect its over the whole video part from the lighter/darker areas for some reason, you can see it over the ground here:

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This thread is like an overly long teams chat at work where we just need to have a phone call... TBH

There's not much hard data to go over so it's all interpretation like that dress colour thing from a few years back
 
Flexible end of pole is bent. The fishing line is short.
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Fishing line is long. The flexible tip is straight. As the line reels out, the tension on the pole is released and the flexible tip straightens out.
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Zoomed in and stabilized.
Mick West said:
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Stabilized. One thing I noticed is that after it lands, the "sling" does actually seem to release a bit, indicating it's not tape.
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The sling isn't convincing. It's a small jerry built model. It doesn't look like anything we see in any real videos/photos on the Internet.

As has been pointed out, it looks very insecure for lifting an Alien Spaceship. When the spaceship touches down it rolls around and looks as if could just roll out of the sling. Funny way to treat an Alien Spaceship. They would use a cargo net.

As has been pointed out, there's no ground crew.

Maybe they would have built a cradle for the thing so it doesn't roll around, randomly?

The surface doesn't look natural. It's a small scale artificial surface. Non-slip coating, model railroad grass, stucco, plaster... Something pre-existing and found, or prepared as a model.

It's a straight out hoax.



Kudos to Maury Markowitz who first suggested the fishing pole solution.
 
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Can anyone here confirm and provide evidence that this video is not of Barber and shows the situation he describes? Although I made the transcript myself, I didn't notice this passage. Or does he say it elsewhere?
 
If (if) Mr. Barber is sincere, yet the program included a video which in fact is NOT from one of his missions, nor of what he saw (or maybe saw)...possibly even a poorly hoaxed video...then he is being done a disservice.
 
I can't remember nor find the supposed dimensions of this thing, I vaguely remember 20 feet in length but I cant remember. Either way I wanted to look into the sling itself. I can definitely see a grid pattern at points which would line up with the basic cargo net style.


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I found some basic cargo netting specifications from 2012.

It's probably out of date but there it specifies 14 ft and 18 ft length nets which sorta lines up with how ill-fitting the net is in the video. The mesh square size is listed from 6-8 inches depending on the size of the cargo net. I tried counting the most visible squares in the mesh grid we see in the video to see if the scales makes sense but the quality and the curved surface doesn't help at all. Personally I think the scale of the netting is feasible but not something definitive.

Also something to keep in mind that these nets have maximum load capacity which is much lower than what the helicopter can handle
 
Or is it a swatch cut from an Ace Bandage?

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Wouldn't the net be big enough to fully envelop the spaceship? Or was this done by an entire squad of Gomer Pyles?

We also have to be cautious about what was really there and what is a video artifact. There's evident strobing in this video, probably because it was captured off a video screen with a second camera. (To make it look as if some brave soul clandestinely captured it with his phone off a government video screen.)

Some modern monitors, even high-end ones, use Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) to adjust their brightness, especially at lower levels. This can cause flickering that you might not notice with your eyes but can show up on a camera. Similarly, if you're recording at a really high frame rate (like 120 fps or 240 fps) or doing slow-motion video, the shorter exposure time for each frame can make the flicker from the screen more obvious.

Monitors with Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) features, like G-Sync or FreeSync, change their refresh rates to match the content they're displaying. This is great for gaming but can cause flickering if the camera's frame rate doesn't sync up with the monitor's refresh rate.

Odd monitor settings can make things worse. If the refresh rate is set to something like 59 Hz instead of the usual 60 Hz, it can create a mismatch that leads to flickering when you're recording.
 
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It doesn't share some of those artifacts we see on other 'filmed from the screen on a phone videos' such as movement of the phone camera causing framing changes, reflections and focus issues etc.
 
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Z.W. Wolf said:
Or is it a swatch cut from an Ace Bandage?

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Wouldn't the net be big enough to fully envelop the spaceship? Or was this done by an entire squad of Gomer Pyles?

We also have to be cautious about what was really there and what is a video artifact. There's evident strobing in this video, probably because it was captured off a video screen with a second camera. (To make it look as if some brave soul clandestinely captured it with his phone off a government video screen.)

Some modern monitors, even high-end ones, use Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) to adjust their brightness, especially at lower levels. This can cause flickering that you might not notice with your eyes but can show up on a camera. Similarly, if you're recording at a really high frame rate (like 120 fps or 240 fps) or doing slow-motion video, the shorter exposure time for each frame can make the flicker from the screen more obvious.

Monitors with Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) features, like G-Sync or FreeSync, change their refresh rates to match the content they're displaying. This is great for gaming but can cause flickering if the camera's frame rate doesn't sync up with the monitor's refresh rate.

Odd monitor settings can make things worse. If the refresh rate is set to something like 59 Hz instead of the usual 60 Hz, it can create a mismatch that leads to flickering when you're recording.
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I just wrapped an egg with ace bandage and yea I can see it. Though just wrapping it around is a pretty bad way to do it and getting it tight enough was a little sketchy.

I linked what I could find on official cargo net specs, I just assume they just use what have on hand. I doubt they'd be calling their CO on the radio like "Sir, yea, we're gonna need the spaceship sized net"

The quality of the video is not great I agree but the grid pattern is present in quite a few points and relatively consistent. The compression/quality at the end of the rope/fishing pole is as bad or worse, at times the tip just disappears or looks like a noodle
 
teloiv said:
I found some basic cargo netting specifications from 2012.

It's probably out of date but there it specifies 14 ft and 18 ft length nets which sorta lines up with how ill-fitting the net is in the video. The mesh square size is listed from 6-8 inches depending on the size of the cargo net. I tried counting the most visible squares in the mesh grid we see in the video to see if the scales makes sense but the quality and the curved surface doesn't help at all. Personally I think the scale of the netting is feasible but not something definitive.

Also something to keep in mind that these nets have maximum load capacity which is much lower than what the helicopter can handle
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"Arrange the cargo so the net covers at least three-fourths of the height on all sides of a single item"
For something so valuable, it seems weird that the net only goes 0% of the way up two of the sides.
 
Re: stiffness of heavier rope...

I've seen braided rope "lock up"and become stiff under a heavy load, and retain that stiffness when the load is released. It is conceivable to me that this has happened here -- assuming it's a legit vid of something heavy being set down, the thicker, presumably braided, line might lock up and become stiff, the thinner lines might not if they are twisted or monofilament line.

(Somewhere in my picture drive are pics illustrating this happening, of course now that I want to lay hands on one I can't find it. I'm going to go ahead and post without it since it seems to often happen that once this is done and the "I can't find it" admission has been made, the thing sought turns up pretty quickly...)
 
teloiv said:
I can't remember nor find the supposed dimensions of this thing, I vaguely remember 20 feet in length but I cant remember. Either way I wanted to look into the sling itself. I can definitely see a grid pattern at points which would line up with the basic cargo net style.


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I found some basic cargo netting specifications from 2012.

It's probably out of date but there it specifies 14 ft and 18 ft length nets which sorta lines up with how ill-fitting the net is in the video. The mesh square size is listed from 6-8 inches depending on the size of the cargo net. I tried counting the most visible squares in the mesh grid we see in the video to see if the scales makes sense but the quality and the curved surface doesn't help at all. Personally I think the scale of the netting is feasible but not something definitive.

Also something to keep in mind that these nets have maximum load capacity which is much lower than what the helicopter can handle
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Assuming this is some sub-scale hoax, they didn't use a cargo net for a couple reasons. First and foremost, taking video from the same position looking down, you wouldn't be able to see the egg shape as it would be enveloped by the net. That would defeat the purpose of the hoax, as opposed to the sling that showed an egg/oval shape.

I doubt a sub-scale net would look right as it and the egg touched down. I'd think a net that small would not have the flexibility you'd see in large cargo nets. And what would they use that would be readily/commercially available? Something from the "GI Joe" collection, or maybe a tailored table tennis net?

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/355485470017
 
jarlrmai said:
This is how I interpret the video

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Completely agree. Although the purple line are should be about 3x longer.

The "reeling out" phenomenon is a perceptual illusion created by the descending aircraft and the sling lines going slack and laying out across the ground as the helicopter moves laterally while descending.

For example, in this video here there is a ground crew which manually takes up the slack, but without them, the slack would just "spool out" from the perspective of the helicopter


Source: https://youtu.be/UuUa3UKoPhU?t=410


Keep in mind as well the electrical hooks at the end of these long lines operated by the pilot are heavy and will keep the long line relatively loaded. For example the red clamp is at the end of the longline and operated by the pilot. In the video above because there was a ground crew it was just a large metal hook, but pilots for pilots setting down loads without support they need to be able to unhook them
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A long line from 150 feet above will look like a solid rod that's only slightly flexing. Also, from that height, the clamp that's keeping the line taught will basically be invisible with this poor quality footage

For what it's worth I asked my friend who is a long line heli pilot if the video looked fake and he said no it looks normal except for the egg. He doesn't fly military, though and in his machine there's a glass dome in the pilot's window that he visually looks out instead of a monitor. He doesn't fly IFR for long lining it's all daytime good weather operations. Anecdotal but other opinions from long line pilots would be helpful. Especially ex-military
 
Lots of high quality pictures of military helicopter slings, and loads. But I see nothing that looks like a strip that's wrapped around the egg, anywhere in my other searches either.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/navy-sling-load-training.html?page=2&sortBy=relevant

Has anyone ever seen a load carrying wrap, used like that?

To me it looks like something of value wrapped in that would slip right out. Surely a cargo net would be more practical, and wise, for such a load?

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Nothing in here that looks like that's a common practice either.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNwHlNC7PJo
 
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This part make it look like the sling is stretched around the egg and joined at the corners.

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Then attached to the line from here and the other line from the other point.

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The haphazard wrap is the most "it's a hoax of some type" signifier for me, it looks intentional to ensure we see the unusual shape

And remember this could all be smaller scale with string and bandages, all the way up an actual longline but hung from a cherry picker etc.
 
Still searching for that special egg wrapping.

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"Webbing Sling" (??)


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGJNyz8GoYU


Google shopping doesn't have any that are like 1-5 feet wide webbing slings that i can find. I havent found any pics of that. Assuming the egg is 20 feet it'd be like 5 feet wide slings.

Ok so maybe the egg is quite small?
Then maybe those are regular sized straps, either 3-5 inches in width?

That might explain why placing it does not move the heavy 150 foot rope.

If you took a backpack strap, and wrapped it around a real egg, would it not be a perfect size match??

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tobigtofool said:
Lots of high quality pictures of military helicopter slings, and loads. But I see nothing that looks like a strip that's wrapped around the egg, anywhere in my other searches either.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/navy-sling-load-training.html?page=2&sortBy=relevant

Has anyone ever seen a load carrying wrap, used like that?

To me it looks like something of value wrapped in that would slip right out. Surely a cargo net would be more practical, and wise, for such a load?

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Nothing in here that looks like that's a common practice either.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNwHlNC7PJo
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Yea anything big just has hard points that get attached to. I attached the one example of something big in a cargo net style sling I could find
 

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Richard C said:
Is anyone seeing something missing here? In all the posts showing actual help cargo lifts/drops, there are ground crews securing or detaching the lines. Where is the ground crew in the video? You'd think such a 'prize' capture like this would have vested interest from those higher in command, or at the very least, someone to help guide the pilot from the ground. Where are they?

Also, to my amateur observations, the item seems to have no weight at all. Someone on one of the many threads on this over at reddit said -
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Not necessarily, ground crew isn't going to be under helicopter when dropping off a load. the falling clevis/rigging would be unpleasant interact with.



Definitely agree on the lack of weight it does look like it rolls rather easily.

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Look at the wrap here. See how close two halves are in the air, and then on the ground:

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So it does not look like adhesive tape. Maybe cohesive. Maybe it's an actual helicopter net of some sort.
 
I know someone already suggested a type of white bandage that didn't quite line up but what about a stretch bandage of this variety?
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The image tobigtofool posted just reminds me of a stretchy fabric that's scrunched back up like these types of bandages do. And they're not particularly adhesive either, so they would separate like Mick pointed out
 
Z.W. Wolf said:
The object in the foreground cannot be a flexible rope. The angle is wrong.
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This looks like a thick, rigid rod held out at an angle. Attached to the end of the thick rod is a thinner, more flexible rod; to which ropes are attached, which dangle naturally.


If this truly does have anything at all to do with a helicopter, my first tentative guess...
It's something like this:

These are rigid rods attached to the belly of UH-60 Blackhawks

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I'm guessing that the unnatural looking surface is an anti-slip coating on a helipad.
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that particular rod is a static discharge wand. it would stay with the ground crew. it's other end is a jumper cable clip attacked to a stake in the ground



there are longer pendants/sling legs that are rigid to give the Hookup Team more reach. though

 
jarlrmai said:
Meta analysis, this is a very "vibes" video a lot of people are going to see an interpretation that fits their views reflected back at them, the lack of any real world reference points makes it so hard to gauge.
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Yeah, I doubt somebody will be definitively be able to tie anything in the video to a real world object.

If it's real footage of something normal, there's a bunch of objects it could be (even could be a different helicopter to what we've been lead to believe)

And if it's hoaxed footage, there's a bunch of different ways to achieve the same thing, there's no real 'slam dunk' anyone could come up with, at least in my opinion
 
Sometimes you just have to go with logic/common-sense and logic is telling us that you wouldn't dangle a priceless 'off-world vehicle' 100 ft off the ground with something insecure that would most likely fall given any kind of substantial movement from the helicopter. Logic also says you would have boots on the ground at the drop off location considering this is potentially the most important drop off in human history. The proportions look off and the ground texture seems too close and symmetrical to be some kind of woodland.

I'm surprised even a station like Newsnation ran with this video. Looks like a mock-up on so many levels.
 
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