MonkeeSage
Senior Member.
I think this is an important point. Grusch confirms some of his sources have already testified to AARO, which is consistent with what Shellenberger previously reported:I wish Grusch were not cut off, but I think the below quote from the hearing is relevant to discussion regarding the conflict between Kirkpatrick and Grusch's statements:
Source.External Quote:Senator Foxx: Sean Kirkpatrick, the director of AARO previously testified before congress that there has been, and I quote, "no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity or of off-world technology brought to the attention of the office." To your knowledge, is that statement correct?
Grusch: It's not accurate. I believe doctor Kirkpatrick mentioned he had about 30 individuals that have come to AARO thus far. A few of those individuals have also come to AARO that I also interviewed and I know what they have provided doctor Kirkpatrick and their team. I was able to evaluate... [interrupted]
Senator Foxx: I need to go on. [continues on partisan rant]
Article: And now, multiple sources close to the matter have come forward to tell Public that Grusch's core claims are accurate. The individuals are all either high-ranking intelligence officials, former intelligence officials, or individuals who we could verify were involved in U.S. government UAP efforts for three or more decades each. Two of them have testified, including as recently as last year, to both AARO and Congress.
Grusch here confirms that claim as accurate. That means Kirkpatrick's statement is a direct rebuttal to Grusch's claims, based on at least some of the same sources, and claiming to have necessary access to investigate the claims regarding crash retrieval programs and NHI. This is from Kirkpatrick's recent interview with ABC news. The video they released only includes excerpts, so some of the transcript below is supplemented from the accompanying article where further quotes from the interview were provided. I have used curly braces to indicate content from the article.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifpLXP0pougExternal Quote:Devin Dwyer (DD): So that 2-5% which are anomalous incidents which you are still looking into, could potentially be extraterrestrial activity?
Sean Kirkpatrick (SK): So we are going to follow our data and our investigations wherever it goes. I have a full range of hypotheses. {On one end of the spectrum, it's advanced technology that's coming from an adversary. Right in the middle, I have all my known objects -- balloons and drones and birds and whatnot. And then on the far end of the spectrum, we have extraterrestrials.}
DD: So you can't rule it out?
SK: I can't rule it out, but I don't have any evidence that says that yet.
DD: You can say categorically you've seen no convincing, confirmable evidence of intact spacecraft kept by the US government?
SK: I have seen no convincing...no. I have seen nothing that leads me to that conclusion.
DD: Is it possible there is some secret program you are just not aware of?
SK: I don't think so. I have access to anything and everything I need.
DD: Why do you think these whistleblowers are coming forward?
SK: Well one, I think the recent law which extended whistleblower protections to them, and named AARO as the authorized disclosure authority, opens the door for them to come and tell us exactly what they think they saw or know about.
DD: You believe them?
SK: I believe that they believe what they are telling me. And I, my job, is not to-- it's not a question of belief. It's a question of what can I go research.
SK: {We've interviewed almost 30 individuals who have come in to provide their testimony. And out of all of those, none of it has yet led to any verifiable information that substantiates the claim that the U.S. government has those ships or has a reverse-engineering program either in the past or currently.}
SK: A lot of these allegations crop up again and again over history. {I'm not going to jump ahead to conclusions until we have more data.}
DD: Do you think extraterrestrial life is out there?
SK: I think it's statistically unrealistic to think it isn't, given the vastness of the universe.
DD: You going to find it on your watch?
SK: Wouldn't that be fun. That would be probably the best outcome of this job.
Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/extraterrestrial-technical-supremacy-top-concern-pentagon-ufo-investigator/story?id=101218299