Drones over New Jersey?

As someone into meteorology, I would like to add a compounding factor I haven't seen mentioned yet: it is winter. Colder air masses tend to be much dryer and thus visibility can go up significantly through horizontal slices of the atmosphere as you look into the distance. This allows you to see aircraft from further away than other times of the year where there is more humidity/water vapor in the air, particularly right at the boundary/surface layer where people are looking at these things from.

The colder/dryer air near the surface can also combine with the heat emitted from jet engines from aircraft flying low on approach or departure to/from airports and make light emitted from navigational beacons and landing lights refract. This is caused by the light passing through mixing of the cold and hot air (which are different densities). This can make the light source look more "blinky" and shift in and out of focus. It can also slightly shift colors as different wavelengths of the light combine and decouple. The greater the contrast in temperatures, the greater this effect is.
 
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What annoys me is that he simply just accepts the claim from his constituent that they weren't airplanes. His constituent told him that he checked on a flight tracking app. I would say that he is just filming the traffic pattern of Morristown airport about 12 miles to the east of Chester Township.

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PIX11 News which has been broadcasting a stream of nonsense throughout this actually had a real expert on today and it went pretty amusingly. He held firm on the point that people really can't accurately judge how big a distant aircraft is and the news people got really flustered that he was contradicting "the reports". And that it can be difficult to identify who is flying a small quadcopter drone. The comments under the video are furious.


Source: https://youtu.be/X7TsiANMSD0
 
PIX11 News which has been broadcasting a stream of nonsense throughout this

Follow the money (i.e. business interests)?

"Owner Mission Broadcasting, Inc.[1]
Operator Nexstar Media Group via LMA[2]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPIX

"On January 15, 2020, Nexstar announced a national newscast called NewsNation" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Media_Group

We know the quality of content from NewsNation already. However, association isn't proof of anything, but this quote from the first link above shows that the association is tighter than just first cousins:
"On March 21, 2024, the FCC ruled Mission's ownership of WPIX to be an illegal circumvention of its ownership limits, due to Nexstar treating the station like its own"
Do they share (or, Sinclair-like, clone) content?
 
His constituent told him that he checked on a flight tracking app.

Which of course would necessitate the observer being able to properly discern how far away the object actually is. I saw a woman on Steven Cambian's show recently claim that UAPs were flying directly over her house and that FlightRadar24 didn't show anything above her house at the time. Then she showed the videos which of course showed the objects (with FAA-compliant flashing lights) far off in the distance.
 
Follow the money (i.e. business interests)?

"Owner Mission Broadcasting, Inc.[1]
Operator Nexstar Media Group via LMA[2]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPIX

"On January 15, 2020, Nexstar announced a national newscast called NewsNation" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Media_Group

We know the quality of content from NewsNation already. However, association isn't proof of anything, but this quote from the first link above shows that the association is tighter than just first cousins:
"On March 21, 2024, the FCC ruled Mission's ownership of WPIX to be an illegal circumvention of its ownership limits, due to Nexstar treating the station like its own"
Do they share (or, Sinclair-like, clone) content?
I've seen a bunch of WPIX clips and posts from its reporters, and clips and posts from people at NewsNation, and I was already grouping them together as by far the worst and most nakedly dishonest from a "real" news outlet that I've seen. Finding out they are owned by the same parent media holding company is really interesting.

I also saw that a WPIX reporter, Katie Corrado, was on Ross Coulthart's show on Dec 12 but I hadn't watched the full episode:
Source: https://youtu.be/hyECkHa2eiU?t=409


In that at Ross actually does call WPIX a "NewsNation affiliate" at timestamp 7:02. I could only bring myself to watch a few minutes of that but I find it unbearable. I think some people are genuinely mistaken about what they're seeing but these two I think are just outright shamelessly lying.

Katie Corrado is the WPIX reporter that has been going out into fields in NJ and filming airplanes, calling them drones, and ignoring all the replies from people telling her that they are airplanes and even telling her which airplanes she was likely looking at. Her being on Ross's show makes sense since Ross does a similar thing of posting videos of obviously mundane things in the sky and usually ignoring the critical feedback he gets.
 
PIX11 News which has been broadcasting a stream of nonsense throughout this actually had a real expert on today and it went pretty amusingly. He held firm on the point that people really can't accurately judge how big a distant aircraft is and the news people got really flustered that he was contradicting "the reports". And that it can be difficult to identify who is flying a small quadcopter drone. The comments under the video are furious.
That was quite spectacular. The "reporters" were insistent that the entirely unsubstantiated claims that have been bandied about without any credible evidence whatsoever be taken seriously by someone who was doing his best to offer a more sane and sober assessment of this current flap. But it really did short-circuit their brains. "But what about blah blah blah ?!" they cry.

Yeah, what about it? Where are these supposed "car-sized drones"? A drone that large should be fairly easy to document. Yet with more sky-watchers than ever, somehow not a single person has been able to provide anything even approaching credible evidence of such things. The tandem news reporters act as if their guest is denying the existence of taxi cabs or city busses on the streets of NYC.

If even half the evidence claimed actually existed, they wouldn't need to be pondering the what-ifs on local news. They'd already have their answers by now. But since no such evidence of any of the wild claims exist, their only option is click-bait sensationalism and tabloid stupidity.

There really needs to be a tribunal of sorts put into place, where all the station managers and producers who are pedaling this garbage are forced to answer for the recklessness and gross unprofessionalism. The news anchors are clearly agenda-driven, with zero interest in uncovering the actual truth of the matter. What a time to be alive.
 
When photos like this are now being seen as evidence of "drones" I think this flap may have officially "jumped the shark".


Source: https://x.com/ufolad/status/1869343424127873182?s=46&t=pi-PW2h-zayk3Ew8WL18KA


The filming location is facing the final approach to Newark airport. Planes are below 1,000 feet as they pass by to the west, heading north.

I suspect the claimed time is off by a minute, as the Spirit Airlines plane passing at 8.47 was all yellow, while the United Express flight immediately in front of it looked like this (except with dark blue engines).

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The dark blue tail is barely visible, so the logo light (which lights up the airline logo on the tail) was not on. I'm not sure what the protocol is on when these are and aren't switched on - anyone know?
 
When photos like this are now being seen as evidence of "drones" I think this flap may have officially "jumped the shark".


Source: https://x.com/ufolad/status/1869343424127873182?s=46&t=pi-PW2h-zayk3Ew8WL18KA


The filming location is facing the final approach to Newark airport. Planes are below 1,000 feet as they pass by to the west, heading north.

I suspect the claimed time is off by a minute, as the Spirit Airlines plane passing at 8.47 was all yellow, while the United Express flight immediately in front of it looked like this (except with dark blue engines).

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The dark blue tail is barely visible, so the logo light (which lights up the airline logo on the tail) was not on. I'm not sure what the protocol is on when these are and aren't switched on - anyone know?

In the European airline I used to work for it was customary, not mandatory.

Not sure about others.
 
I blame the electronic zoom factor in modern smartphones. For a while there, I imagined that the fact that everyone has a camera at the ready would eliminate the UFO problem altogether; something like Randall Munroe suggests here:
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Unfortunately, the zoom factor on these phones is too good, and the images produced are enlarged and amplified so much that the user can no longer reliably recognise commercial planes, planets or stars.
 
Which of course would necessitate the observer being able to properly discern how far away the object actually is. I saw a woman on Steven Cambian's show recently claim that UAPs were flying directly over her house and that FlightRadar24 didn't show anything above her house at the time. Then she showed the videos which of course showed the objects (with FAA-compliant flashing lights) far off in the distance.
Yes, I agree. The person filming will simply be thinking that what they believe are drones are over the trees or the fields in close proximity.

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Source: https://youtu.be/BBw39LIn62c?t=7
 
Yes, I agree. The person filming will simply be thinking that what they believe are drones are over the trees or the fields in close proximity.

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Am I the only one who sees Pegasus (and a bit of Aries)?
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They cut away so quickly from the wider view it's not clear what's in motion, and which light level fluctuations are regular blinking, or simply flickering.
 
Re. blinking. I've been on MB a while so have read about a few tricks the eyes play. Yet this one night, I step outside and am convinced there's a bright blinking light towards the east. No stars, so clearly it must be in front of clouds. Just hovering, hanging, blinking. Gave me the creeps for a minute.

Long story short, turns out it was Jupiter, bright enough to shine through translucent clouds invisible to the eye, with occasional darker cloud patches (still not visible!) obscuring it completely.
 
Welp, I add this to the discussion only as part of the public record, but I can't I agree with his conclusion—at all.

There's some interesting info about drone regulations as they apply to everyday consumers, but as comprehensive as the host of the video tries to be, he fails to acknowledge the very obvious fact that he, himself, is being sucked into the same narrative as so many others. Some rando makes claims of "six-foot drones" and this now becomes the mantra. Never mind that there's zero evidence of such things flying over New Jersey in the past several weeks. People have reported it! And the local news has done stories about people reporting it! And other YouTubers have done stories about the news stories of people reporting it! :rolleyes:

This is the state of things. As a result, his conclusion is that these must be military drones, and presents what he feels points to such a conclusion. His logic is terribly flawed, and the comments would seem to indicate that he has successfully chummed the waters with such nonsense. But I don't believe he's doing it maliciously. His attempts appear to be genuine, but terribly lacking in substance. Again, though, it's the first half of the short video that I find most interesting.

Btw, the use of the world "pilot" in the title should be taken very lightly, considering the context.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTtvRBaP6RQ
 
It is still getting very silly out there and again not helped by local politicians in New Jersey.

Michael Inganamort, a Republican New Jersey assemblyman shares a video from one of his constituents from 1st December 2024. Filmed in Chester Township. He just accepts the claim from his constituent that there were no airplanes on the flight tracker app.
One aspect that puzzles me, especially with the more conservative pols, is the demand that the federal government get involved in identifying the "drones."

I mean, I know aviation is federally regulated and all that, but if you're running the state of New Jersey and you really think it's vitally important to your constituents to identify things that are supposedly right over their heads why don't you throw some money at the local end of the issue?
 

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"At the request of federal security partners, the FAA published 22 Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFRs) prohibiting drone flights over critical New Jersey infrastructure," the agency said in a statement.

The new tranche of airspace restrictions is the largest since the drone panic began about a month ago and will last until January 17. A pair of drone bans over Trump's golf course in Bedminster and Picatinny Arsenal, US military research facility, have been in place since November 26.

"In coordination with the FAA and our critical infrastructure partners who requested temporary flight restrictions over their facilities, out of an abundance of caution, the FAA has issued temporary flight restrictions over some critical infrastructure facilities in New Jersey," the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement.

One wonders if the problem is the drones, or people shooting at the sky.
Or if the aim of these TFR is to create a legal reason for the DHS to get involved—drone reports in places where drones are legal to fly would not warrant a federal security response, after all.
 
Imagine if all the people who saw these drones were contacted by officials who asked...

Look, I know you saw something. It's okay. What you need to know right now is that we work for a Special Access Program, and it's very likely you came across one of our technologies. We do our best to hide these things, but sometimes people who are observant, such as yourself, see one. We would really appreciate it if you could tell us exactly what you saw, so if it is one of ours, we can hide it better in the future.

Cos supposedly this is a good way of investigating these things.
 
I am not following your point here at all. Can you explain?
It is how Elizondo described what he was doing at AATIP: He'd find UAP reports in some database and then call up the people who had seen it, bypassing the complete chain of command, lying to the witnesses and priming their testimony, and inducing them to divulge classified information. They did that because it was entirely unofficial and had to be kept secret from his superior.

See https://www.metabunk.org/threads/errors-in-luis-elizondos-ufo-book-imminent.13613/post-322046 and the following posts.
 
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I am not following your point here at all. Can you explain?
It's Lue Elizondo's script to get more information from people who probably misinterpreted what they saw.

Seems kinda similar here.

And there's two important things with it. Firstly the impressions it gives to the person being lied to. And secondly, what credible/useful data could you even get out of it?

You'd only get good stories and plant a seed.

Possibly more suited to Elizondo's mistakes thread.
 
It's Lue Elizondo's script to get more information from people who probably misinterpreted what they saw.

Seems kinda similar here.

And there's two important things with it. Firstly the impressions it gives to the person being lied to. And secondly, what credible/useful data could you even get out of it?

You'd only get good stories and plant a seed.

Possibly more suited to Elizondo's mistakes thread.
Why did a lawyer and a senator believe in the media more than pilots, the US Coast Guard and the Ministry of Defense? And why don't media revoke its own articles that they have incorrectly published by CGI recordings by Youtuber Iceman Fox 1? This made the crowds in New Jersey attentive to the action and literally flooded the well -known FBI address with false videos and photos.
 
Why did a lawyer and a senator believe in the media more than pilots, the US Coast Guard and the Ministry of Defense? And why don't media revoke its own articles that they have incorrectly published by CGI recordings by Youtuber Iceman Fox 1?
Because they are just people, like everybody else, and are subject to the same motivations, failings and flaws as the rest of us. Being elected to office does not make you immune to the "I WANT TO BELIEVE" mindset. Media folks want job security and a profitable company, sensationalism and click baiting is how to most easily achieve that.

Nor is it new:
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...The Sun claimed, Herschel had sighted bountiful vegetation, "brown quadrupeds" resembling miniature bison, goatlike creatures with the playful personalities of kittens, long-beaked cranes, and "large winged creatures, wholly unlike any kind of birds." Rather than looking like birds, the story claimed, the creatures looked like a hybrid between humans and bats.

The architect of the hoax was British writer Richard Adam Locke, who had arrived at The Sun when it was selling only about 8,000 papers per day and thus being outsold by most of its chief rivals. He would later say that he'd never expected readers to believe that his satire was factual reporting. In fact, he had likely intended to parody popular writings by Scottish minister and amateur astronomer Thomas Dick and others who had been arguing that the Moon had a substantial atmosphere and could support life. In the six days of the story's initial publication, Locke had plenty of chances to clarify his intent. But why would he when the story was giving The Sun a chance to profit from readers' misunderstanding?
Source: https://www.britannica.com/story/the-great-moon-hoax-of-1835-was-sci-fi-passed-off-as-news
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For a change, some real drones over New Jersey!

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Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst in New Jersey has confirmed to The War Zone that it has countermeasures in place to deal with drone incursions, and it has recorded multiple such incidents this year. At the same time, a spokesperson has said that these past incidents relate to efforts to smuggle contraband into a federal prison within the base's perimeter.
https://www.twz.com/air/new-jersey-...past-drone-incursions-by-contraband-smugglers
 
This entire flap has been a sobering wake up call to me that our news media, particularly the major networks and local news agencies are tremendously broken. The days of proper journalism seem to be dead and things like verification of accounts/data sources and getting expert opinions from actual experts is dead. This is likely from non traditional media from internet sources taking thier viewers. Non traditional media have the luxury of saying anything and making outrageous claims that grab attention so I guess the networks are just taking the 'if you can't beat them, join them approach. God help us if another serious real incident like 9/11 occurs again.

I would encourage everyone in this little community to do your part in trying to fight this madness in anyway you can. On this particular flap, I have sent Mick's video along with links to this thread to all my friends and family to attempt to help inform them of what's actually happening since the media and politicians have utterly failed here and have just made things worse. I commend those of you adding community notes on X as well as opening dialogs with reporters to try and spread some sanity. While the entire situation is maddening, the work done in this thread is truly incredible.
 
Claim: Nuclear Warheads in Newark, a open Container with Level 3 Nuclear Warheads missing?
No-one transports nuclear warheads (or their physics package) unattended, in a shipping container.

Other radioactive materials, appropriately packaged, are sometimes transported by largely "normal" means, for instance radionuclides for medical use. These can be dangerous if deliberately tampered with- in Goiânia, Brazil in 1987, thieves stole a radiotherapy source from a derelict hospital; the resulting contamination killed 4 people, contaminated at least 249 and required an extensive clean-up operation; Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goiânia_accident.
But that's a very long way from being anything like a missing nuclear bomb.

The video includes this example of a "drone",
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...which looks like the (stationary) overhead cable marker which has already been debunked, so the video maker might not be all that well-informed about the subject. Or perhaps not too bothered by the accuracy of the information he's sharing.
(Apologies, I can't find the Metabunk posts about this solved "drone", if someone could tell us I'd be grateful).
Edit: see @jarlmai's post after this, which links to the appropriate thread (thank you).

@SuppaCoup has drawn our attention to the "hunt for radioactive materials" hypothesis,

There's an article on MSN titled "Radiation spike in New York after flood of drone sightings as Americans warned 'plan for the worst' https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/radiation-spike-in-new-york-after-flood-of-dronoutlooke-sightings-as-americans-warned-plan-for-the-worst/ar-AA1w6cvF
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US-China relations expert has issued a chilling warning for Americans to "plan for the worst" in light of the ongoing New Jersey drone mystery, following reports of unexplained radiation spikes in the area.

The "US-China relations expert" mentioned is author and political commentator Gordon G. Chang, who...

[...]has a track record of making incorrect predictions and what might be considered scare stories:
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...Chang has made numerous predictions of the imminent collapse of the Chinese government and fall of the Communist Party since 2001 including the specific years. Chang insisted that it would be year 2011 when the Chinese government would collapse. When 2011 was almost over, he admitted that his prediction was wrong but said that he was off by only a year and wrote in the Foreign Policy magazine, that "Instead of 2011, the mighty Communist Party of China will fall in 2012. Bet on it."
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He has also claimed in relation to the second wave of COVID-19 in India that "it is entirely possible [China] released another pathogen." He also made claims that China was "likely planning to launch pathogen" from an illegal California lab. However a federal investigation into the lab in question, had not substantiated those claims but instead determined that it wasn't trying to make biological weapons, but instead was simply growing antibody cells to produce test kits for Covid-19.
Wikipedia, Gordon G. Chang, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_G._Chang

@Tezcatlipoca has posted about why it's very unlikely drones are being used to search for radioactive materials,
I'd recommend reading their post:

As for drones in this case. Just no. So, you have three relevant types of aerial monitoring here. You have wide area monitoring, localized monitoring, and hyper-localized monitoring (not the actual fancy buzzwords).
Starting from hyper-localized here for framing- Hyper-localized monitoring is the only type where you see drones currently. This is because the technology this small for that, that can also be put on drones, still tends to be pretty big & you can generally only fit 1-2 onto a commercial sized drone. These are only used for example, for entering buildings during hazmat incidents to sample specific rooms, or for military units to send them forward to conduct very localized CBRN reconnaisance. It would take 1000s of these doing a grid search to even be feasible for what's talked about here, and unfortunately, there's maybe like 300-500 of these in existence operationally across all first response agencies and the mil/govt.

Localized monitoring can come in a wide variety of means, generally there's not dedicated aerial forms of this, the "dedicated" platforms are usually housed within vehicles (eg vans or SUVs) or things like backpacks (you can see these at major sporting events all the time, some contain CBRN equipment instead of the radio tech used to disrupt potential explosives).

Then, what people are talking about here is wide-area monitoring. This requires multi-sensor suites where each individual sensor alone generally weighs more and is too big to fit onto drones. You overwhelmingly see these on helicopters or planes.

But if the US government did need, hypothetically, to deploy large numbers of drones for a specific task, why would they attempt to do it covertly? Just use a cover story pointing out the US losses in urban areas in recent wars, and claim that a major trial of unarmed drones would be taking place in New Jersey in the hope that these technologies might help save American lives in future conflicts.
"We apologise for any inconvenience or disruption, but we ask that the patriotic people of New Jersey forgive us this short intrusion, understanding that what we learn about flying drones in urban areas will undoubtedly help keep our serving men and women safer in the future", that sort of thing.

Plus, if there were missing nuclear warheads in the New Jersey area, I suspect there might be roadblocks and checks on other means of transport. Again; maybe in conjunction with a cover story, e.g. an escaped suspect or an abducted child.
 
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Claim: Nuclear Warheads in Newark, a open Container with Level 3 Nuclear Warheads missing?
Drones searching about that?!

Fact-check: Drones were not tracking missing radioactive material in New Jersey

A shipment containing trace amounts of radioactive material has been located.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/fact-chec...red-drone-theories-missing/story?id=116884712
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A theory that "missing" radioactive material in New Jersey could be linked to the string of mysterious "drone" sightings in the state has been disproven, according to the Department of Energy and related officials.
The link between the alleged drone sightings and radioactive material stemmed from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission issuing an alert on Dec. 5 that stated a piece of medical equipment used for cancer scans had been "lost in transit" three days prior.
The mayor of Belleville, New Jersey, Michael Melham further stoked these theories during an appearance on Fox TV's "Good Day New York" on Tuesday, saying, of the drone sightings, "What might they be looking for? Maybe that's radioactive material."
"It was a shipment. It arrived at its destination. The container was damaged, and it was empty," Melham said.
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James Dalzell, M.D., at the Nazha Cancer Center, told ABC News on Tuesday that the missing material has been found and has been disposed of properly.
Dalzell said the equipment was shipped via Fed-Ex, which temporarily misplaced the item. It was later found and delivered to the manufacturer.
 
Did you heard about that?
Claim: Nuclear Warheads in Newark, a open Container with Level 3 Nuclear Warheads missing?
Drones searching about that?!
Public Speech Pattern detected (nothing nefarious (evil, wicked))
included iceman VFX


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS5kYdd4kOw

As a side note to this video:

Why does this thumbnail and video have the USNC Pelican craft from the Halo series? Picture of the craft in question.

To me, that is an instant discredit, especially talking about this craft that was 'filmed' at Las Vegas - they claim it's not AI (true) so it must be real. Hint - it's not, it's most likely from flight simulator 2020, although I'm open to it being a superimposed model as I'm not 100% familiar with FS2020 given the contrails in the sky in that clip. Here's a demo of it flying from IGN :

 
A New Jersey Skywatch Task Force has been set up by some people. At least one member is using a thermal image camera.

Chris Neff, who is a member of the Skywatch team, and lives in Mendham, NJ appeared on CNN.



Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpOV-2ycKPM


He recounts that he initially thought he was filming drones and then via the thermal imaging camera realized that they were aircraft and sometimes flocks of bird. Chris is also a wildlife photographer.

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