Does DNA emit light

Ogmion

New Member
I am interested to know if anyone has looked at this:

http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html light emiting from DNA

Looks quite involved with scientific research and I have myself seen light coming out of people's hands and their bodies when other people present say they cannot see anything. Is it possible this 'light' is not in the normal visible spectrum but some people can see it?

I am new to this forum and would say there appears to be a tendency to claim a debunk based upon failing to find papers written in English that support theories that are being pursued in former Russian Federation States often by State funded organisations. This is not a valid reason to debunk because the system that operates there does not share technology or science based papers with the West. They often want comment but dont want to give us information that can give other scientists the edge. A debunk therefore must produce Western investigative negative experiments that prove the case wrong in order to have a true evaluation. I know some people will not like this but it simply is not good enough to say I cant find any documented papers to debunk what is stated as evidence from Russia and published on the web.

I know how the Russian etc work and hence publication only comes at conclusion and when the patents are in position - until then you might get clues but you wont get the whole picture.

Dont get me wrong but I am sceptical of claims that cannot be supported but also understand the evidence of my own eyes. A debunk is not concluded by a lack of published evidence but by checking the claim in a scientific manner. Comments please

regards

Ogmion.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
I am new to this forum and would say there appears to be a tendency to claim a debunk based upon failing to find papers written in English that support theories that are being pursued in former Russian Federation States often by State funded organisations.
Really, a tendency? Name five.
(or two)
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
I have myself seen light coming out of people's hands and their bodies when other people present say they cannot see anything. Is it possible this 'light' is not in the normal visible spectrum but some people can see it?
There is a condition where some people can see UV wavelengths.

I am interested to know if anyone has looked at this:

http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html light emiting from DNA

Sounds very sketchy and dubious.

Slightly more credible sounding and interesting below that, but I'm not really qualified to know.

 
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Pete Tar

Senior Member.
There's a wiki page on the subject, it seems to be a real thing but it's not settled science. Interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophoton
 

Hevach

Senior Member.
Under proper stimulation, any molecule will produce a photon.

In the absence of widely settled science I'd be skeptical of the claim that the conditions under which DNA will or will not do so can have any diagnostic meaning, but to the question of whether it simply does or does not, the answer for any material is "sometimes."
 

Dan Wilson

Senior Member.
Apparently the original experiments done by Alexander Gurwitsch could not be repeated despite numerous attempts. I find it hard to believe that cells would rely so heavily on photons for signaling, there would be a lot of "noise" involved in a system like that.

This sounds ridiculous. UV light does not just create repairable dimers in DNA bases, it can and does rip DNA apart. Enough exposure would cause more than enough irreparable damage to kill the cell and 99% of the cell being destroyed is certainly not salvageable.

The cell is remarkably good at compartmentalizing its different reactions. When you then think about the sheer number of one type of molecule existing in a cell at a given time (remember Avogadro's number: 6.02x10^23) and the speed of Brownian motion, then the system doesn't need another explanation of how molecules find each other to perform reactions. Form defines function, and we know that certain enzymes will reject many wrong molecules before accepting the right one and can do it all many times in an incredibly short amount of time. There is no need for a mechanism of photon excitation bringing molecules closer faster to explain all of this.

Ethidium bromide is used to fluoresce DNA. It just sounds like he is measuring the fluorescence of ethidium bromide here.

They completely lost me here. I can't find anything to follow this paper up with. It sounds very reminiscent of experiments having to do with Lysenkosim.

Well what do you know, that's Lysenkoism. This is called the phantom DNA effect or wave genetics and has been debunked. I think I've even discussed it on this site before. It has not ever been successfully repeated and the mechanism for how it would work has no basis in science. If scientists had such a simple method of turning one cell type into another, let alone one cell into a completely different species, we would have a very different and much more advanced field of tissue engineering.
 
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Auldy

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As silly as Biophotons may seem, stuff like Triboluminescence and Autofluorescence are real things that can sound ridiculous on first hearing.

As @Hevach pointed out, almost all molecules have the ability to produce light under the right circumstances.

Triboluminescence is where light is generated from the breaking of chemical bonds. As ridiculous as it sounds, one could stand in a black room, eat a big tablespoon of sugar and crunch it in your open mouth and someone could observe sparks of light and flashes coming from your mouth! There are lots of videos on youtube of people using innocuous stuff like sticky tape or quartz rocks to create light to the amazement of the comments sections.

Autofluorescence is the natural (normal) emission of light from biological cell components, i.e. mitochondria (which contain DNA). In my job I take advantage of autofluorescence to diagnose cellular problems, but I remember learning about it at university and thinking how preposterous/magical it all seemed at the beginning before learning more about it.

I know a lot of research was done for a brief period of time on Biophotons (as referenced on the wiki page) and the preposed ability of cells to communicate with each other via light, but in recent years hormonal cellular communication is where most research (and understanding) is focused. It's certainly whats easier to observe and monitor on a cellular level!

If biophotons were 'real' you would presume that with all the advances in molecular photography and observation, stuff like this would have been observed by now.
 

Henk001

Senior Member.
It seems very unlikely to me that a theoretical biophysicist could talk about "storing photons". You can't store photons. The photons are absorbed in the process of photosynthesis. Their energy is stored in chemical bonds of f.i. glucose, not being distributed over other EM radiation.
 

Henk001

Senior Member.
Why not giving the source of this "article"? Dan Eden (Gary Vey) doesn't give any sources at all. That makes it very difficult to trace a specific claim back to its origin. Unless you want to stumble in the jungle of the internet.
 
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