Debunked: Pilots Doctors and Scientists tell Truth about Chemtrails

[Jay Reynolds]

So, just a (feeble) attempt at getting to topic? Shasta is still a "thing"??? Seems.....it was a "Town-Hall" type of meeting....about a year ago?

I see Mick's post just up-thread (apologies as I get "up-to-speed").

Perhaps once again, a description of just how many Upper-level Jet Routes exist in that vicinity? To explain the preponderance of (sometimes) persistent contrails, when upper-level conditions are conducive for their formation?

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-only-four-airliner-flights-day-over-mt-shasta-ca.t622/

 

[M Bornong]

Video is up, I've just started listening. http://media.avcaptureall.com/session.html?sessionid=2cc4392c-253c-4583-8f12-186dce579193

 

[M Bornong]

Video is up, I've just started listening. http://media.avcaptureall.com/session.html?sessionid=2cc4392c-253c-4583-8f12-186dce579193

Public comments on chemtrails are at:
23:45-30:00
33:45-42:25
48:25-49:20

Board response at 49:44, stating that the 3 promises of the board, 1) to record the meeting and send to all representatives, 2) Gather info from Lassen National Park on size of particles tested 3) contact air quality boards find out what is tested and costs if more tests are thought to be needed. All 3 actions were carried out.

 

[skephu]

Well, there were about 4 people talking 3 minutes each about the chemtrail issue. But the picture freezes at the beginning of the video, and the audio also cuts off during the talk of the 4th speaker, so I don't know what happened next. Probably nothing. I guess next year they can repeat the whole thing.

 

[M Bornong]

Well, there were about 4 people talking 3 minutes each about the chemtrail issue. But the picture freezes at the beginning of the video, and the audio also cuts off during the talk of the 4th speaker, so I don't know what happened next. Probably nothing. I guess next year they can repeat the whole thing.

The video worked fine for me, nothing new was said, same old look up, and Mt. Shasta snow testing 60 thousand times higher than normal for aluminum. The board responded stating they carried out all actions as they promised.

 

[skephu]

Thanks, I downloaded the video file and I could watch the relevant parts. The board said they had sent the results of the actions to Kimberly Steele (sp?) in a letter last year. But it looks like nobody knows what's in that letter

 

[Trailblazer]

Thanks, I downloaded the video file and I could watch the relevant parts. The board said they had sent the results of the actions to Kimberly Steele (sp?) in a letter last year. But it looks like nobody knows what's in that letter

Looking at Kimberley Steele's Facebook page, most of her timeline is promoting herbal remedies, essential oils etc, which she sells (or at least gets commission for) via her site here: http://www.mydoterra.com/kimberlysteele/#/ Cui bono?

She talked about the meeting too:

 

[Balance]

Thanks, I downloaded the video file and I could watch the relevant parts. The board said they had sent the results of the actions to Kimberly Steele (sp?) in a letter last year. But it looks like nobody knows what's in that letter

I "stalked" Kimberly's FB page looking for it but it's so plastered with meme's I gave up. I did see a copy of the letter the BOS apparently sent out to "all concerned officials" as requested but other than that, found nothing about the other two promises. The actual FB event page drumming up support seemed to have stopped posting around August last year.

 

[David Fraser]

There did not seem to be many in attendance. Were the usual suspects there?

 

[skephu]

There did not seem to be many in attendance. Were the usual suspects there?

There were about 20 people, but not the well-known figures. Wigington was not there.

 

[skephu]

Dane Wigington reports on the meeting: Shasta County Update On Heavy Metal Contamination, The Legal Ramifications, including a video from KRCR TV.

 

[deirdre]

Dane Wigington reports on the meeting: Shasta County Update On Heavy Metal Contamination, The Legal Ramifications, including a video from KRCR TV.

chemtrail theory is so confusing.

so. testing tests elements.
an element is an atom.
a molecule is 2 or more atoms stuck together.

the wiki nanoparticle article says:

Although the size of most molecules would fit into the above outline, individual molecules are usually not referred to as nanoparticles.

so... how is a nanoparticle smaller than an element? or are they saying the Lessen equiptment..um, the nanoparticles fly through the equiptment catching filters? so even though the chemtrailists rain and soil tests "find" this nanoparticle aluminium, strontium etc.. the Lessen equiptment can't?

and...if chemtrailist approved testing can be done for 45,000 the first year and 32,000 each year after, can the chemtrailists just raise money for that instead of movies nobody watches? is that the right testing they want?

 

[MikeG]

Dane Wigington reports on the meeting: Shasta County Update On Heavy Metal Contamination, The Legal Ramifications, including a video from KRCR TV.

It also looks like he is wielding the threat of legal liability to move the county supervisors.

There is currently a team of 6 US attorneys and 2 Canadian attorneys (and other qualified professionals) that are focused on this contamination issue. The legal consensus of this group of legal professionals is this, that county public health and safety agencies have a mandated, legal, and moral responsibility to disclose any and all public safety threats. Again, for over 7 years, no investigation and no public disclosure has taken place from Shasta County officials. As the verifiable heavy metal contamination continues to take it's toll, and the reality of this contamination can no longer be hidden, the question of legal liability will certainly be the primary focus of a justifiably outraged population.

I hope they do it. Then the "mountain" of evidence can be examined on its merit in a public forum.

 

[skephu]

or are they saying the Lessen equiptment..um, the nanoparticles fly through the equiptment catching filters?

PM10 and PM2.5 (particles smaller than 10 or 2.5 micrometers) are routinely measured. That would include nanoparticles, although I'm not sure how the test methods catch them. Anyway, recently there has been some research about particles smaller than 0.1 micrometers (100 nanometers) potentially being of concern regarding health effects. It's not enough to measure the mass of these particles as their surface is what counts. But the research about possible adverse health effects of nanoparticles is still not clear and not settled, so even though they could be measured, we have nothing to compare the values to. There are no reference values or limits.

Nanoparticles are everywhere, we are all breathing them in right now. They are part of nature. In fact, the majority of nanoparticles in the environment come from nature. Human activity only adds a little. So when measuring nanoparticles, separating those from natural sources from those that were added by human activity is quite hard, and would require additional analysis. Laser printers are known to produce a lot of nanoparticles, but even if you just light a candle, it will release lots of nanoparticles into the air while it burns.

So yes, they could be measured, and something would be found. But we wouldn't know where it's coming from and what its effects are. Anyway, Wigington et al. would complain as they also complain about normal amounts of aluminum in rainwater. It would not prove anything.

 

[deirdre]

Anyway, recently there has been some research about particles smaller than 0.1 micrometers (100 nanometers) potentially being of concern regarding health effects

thats where my understanding is breaking down. if the atomic radius of ALuminum is 118pm... how do you make an atom smaller than itself? and still have it be aluminum?

http://www.periodictable.com/Properties/A/AtomicRadius.v.wt.html



is 118pm smaller than PM10?
from the shasta meeting minutes:

 

[skephu]

is 118pm smaller than PM10?

Yes, a lot smaller. pm is for picometer, PM is for Particulate Matter.
118 pm = 118*10-12​ m = 1.18*10-10​ m.
PM10 is 10 micrometers = 10*10-6​ m = 10-5​ m.
So PM10 is 100,000 times as big as an atom in diameter.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, a lot smaller. pm is for picometer, PM is for Particulate Matter.
118 pm = 118*10-12​ m = 1.18*10-10​ m.
PM10 is 10 micrometers = 10*10-6​ m = 10-5​ m.
So PM10 is 100,000 times as big as an atom in diameter.

Yes, PM is nothing to do with pm. Confusing, but to keep these units in order, they go down in factors of 1,000:

1 metre = 1000 millimetres (mm)
1 millimetre = 1000 micrometres (µm)
1 micrometre = 1000 nanometres (nm)
1 nanometre = 1000 picometres (pm).

So the atomic diameter (twice the atomic radius) of those metal atoms is in the range of about 200 to 400 picometres, or 0.2 to 0.4 nanometres.

Using the same units, PM10 is 10,000 nanometres, which may be easier to read than the scientific notation above.

Edit to add: the same prefixes apply to all SI units, including grams (see the common milligram/microgram confusion in aluminium readings!)

 

[deirdre]

SI units

just because you made me have to look something else up

SI unit - definition of SI unit by The Free Dictionary
www.thefreedictionary.com/SI+unit
(Units) any of the units adopted for international use under theSystème Internationald'Unités, now employed for allscientificand most technical purposes

 

[Mick West]

just because you made me have to look something else up

SI unit - definition of SI unit by The Free Dictionary
www.thefreedictionary.com/SI+unit
(Units) any of the units adopted for international use under theSystème Internationald'Unités, now employed for allscientificand most technical purposes

Just calling it "metric units" would probably get the point across best.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Wigington plans a Hootenany around the middle of August to be held at an auditorium in Redding. He will have details on his next propaganda show.

It is just very sad to see him ignore that the elements his followers find in rain water are commonly found in the soil under their very feet. Every time one of them works in The Good Earth they get exposed to the elements of their Mother.

They have also carried on a myth that nonoparticles "pass right through" HEPA air filtration, which is definitely a FALSE claim.

Ever wonder why most state air quality monitors haven't detected chemtrails with their fancy air monitoring equipment?

These expensive machines pass a metered amount of air through a mesh filter. The particulates captured by the filter are then counted. Finally, some math is done taking into account the amount of metered air along with the number of captured particulates to determine the particulate count per unit of air.

So why do 98% of these machines detect nothing unusual on heavy chemtrail days? Because their filters don't capture chemtrail particulates because they are too small.Perhaps this is one of the reasons chemtrails are made from nano-particulates.
http://globalskywatch.com/stories/m...l-information/air-purifiers.html#.VZbNHPlViko

The problem of environmental control of nanoparticles has been studied because people regularly work with them and need to be assured of protection:

Recent publications (Golanski et al. 2010, 2008, 2009; Rengasamy et al. 2008) have documented that high efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filters have close to 100 % collection efficiency in the nanoparticle size range. However, due to their relatively high cost and lack of clean ability, researchers and companies may be tempted to use less sophisticated filters; this research investigates the performance of several fabrics commonly used in environmental air cleaning filters.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569546/

 

[Trailblazer]

just because you made me have to look something else up

SI unit - definition of SI unit by The Free Dictionary
www.thefreedictionary.com/SI+unit
(Units) any of the units adopted for international use under theSystème Internationald'Unités, now employed for allscientificand most technical purposes

Sorry about that. When you've worked in a field for years you tend not to even notice that words you see as plain English are actually jargon!

Metric and SI aren't strictly interchangeable, but close enough for most purposes.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Thanks, I downloaded the video file and I could watch the relevant parts. The board said they had sent the results of the actions to Kimberly Steele (sp?) in a letter last year. But it looks like nobody knows what's in that letter

Something is in that letter that someone doesn't want you to know about!

 

[Jay Reynolds]

It also looks like he is wielding the threat of legal liability to move the county supervisors.

There is currently a team of 6 US attorneys and 2 Canadian attorneys (and other qualified professionals) that are focused on this contamination issue. The legal consensus of this group of legal professionals is this, that county public health and safety agencies have a mandated, legal, and moral responsibility to disclose any and all public safety threats. Again, for over 7 years, no investigation and no public disclosure has taken place from Shasta County officials. As the verifiable heavy metal contamination continues to take it's toll, and the reality of this contamination can no longer be hidden, the question of legal liability will certainly be the primary focus of a justifiably outraged population.

I hope they do it. Then the "mountain" of evidence can be examined on its merit in a public forum.

I agree, it can only result in a disaster for them. Then they move the goalposts or blame it on the "Power Structure" being too powerful. Now the conspiracy extends to the former Redding Chief of Police, a female cattle rancher with a Masters degree in Agriculture, former Mayor of Redding, and the Pastor of a small town community church. According to Dane Wigington, all of these people who make up the Board of Supervisors deserve to be sued for not taking him seriously.

If past is prologue, the show won't get on the road:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/...unty-california-for-ignoring-chemtrail-tests/

First off they have to show "contamination", which they will not be able to do.
The whole thing is a lose-lose for them. Two outcomes, which is worse?

1. the suit goes nowhere, they suck up money and time only to fail like they always did before.
2. The suit ensues and is heard in court, only to find that their "evidence" is faulty, they can't show any evidence of anything out of the ordinary. Worse yet for them, they get to see that the "Mountain of Evidence" is bunk.

 

[deirdre]

Worse yet for them, they get to see that the "Mountain of Evidence" is bunk

They'll never see that. They'll just say the courts are "in on it".

 

[BombDr]

New video from my favourite CT, Dahboo 7.


This one is a new angle I had not previously heard of, but he is claiming that he has 'scientific proof' that chemtrails are actually coal ash, and that it is being transported by train and loaded into aircraft worldwide...

Its a new one on me!

 

[Chew]

Its a new one on me!

Where you been?

https://www.metabunk.org/j-marvin-herndons-geoengineering-article-in-current-science-india.t6456/

 

[BombDr]

Where you been?

https://www.metabunk.org/j-marvin-herndons-geoengineering-article-in-current-science-india.t6456/

Wow, I am behind the curve....sorry....

I probably got sucked into Dahboo's breathless 'the-truth-is-about-to-be-out' schtick and should have looked into it better....

 

[M Bornong]

It looks like Mark McCandlish has taken his own life.

Sounds like a very sad ending.