Debunked: Obamacare RFID Chip Implant Law Hoax

David Fraser

Senior Member.
Ooooo loook what I just found :)

I don't personally know if this is true, but you can be the judge.

http://nationalreport.net/rfid-chip-now-being-issued-in-hanna-wyoming-as-part-of-new-obamacare-plan/

The frontpage headline from that satirical magazine

http://nationalreport.net/disclaimer/

Oh dear, you're at a grade U now for research.
 
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Pete Tar

Senior Member.
If that makes me a "troll" then whatever, call me a troll all you like, but you clearly don't know what a troll is.

A troll in the context of this forum could just be someone who is asserting without providing reasoned evidence for the assertions - that is a strong focus of the forum. To ignore that important prerequisite for debate equals trolling.
 
Is it? Have you some evidence for this? A quick search finds a school in Cheshire that wants pupils to carry rfid yet you make no mention of it. Why is that not a concern? Why are you so distrustful of the US government yet seem to not be interested in any of the cover-ups the UK government may have? That seems a very distorted World view or are you limiting your research to Youtube?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...nts-made-to-carry-Orwellian-locater-tags.html


The UK is too small.. There is very rarely anything in the UK to research.. The information I research generally has more relevance to the world as a whole. The only reason I came to this site, was the fact that you seem to "debunk" everything. When in reality what you are doing is debunking certain aspects of the subject.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
The ones that think it's a true story and take it as an opportunity to wave their guns/religion/righteous revolutionary outrage/obama hate.
 
The frontpage headline from that satirical magazine

http://nationalreport.net/disclaimer/

Oh dear, you're at a grade U now for research.

Pfft good for you, I said you could do the research yourself. Not at any point did I say it was true or fact. I didn't check that bit which was why I left it up to you.
 
I did not research it, I done a quick google search, saw the page, linked it as it was only 2 days ago, and allowed you to do the research. Thank you.
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
Pfft good for you, I said you could do the research yourself. Not at any point did I say it was true or fact. I didn't check that bit which was why I left it up to you.

Just as I suspected. Trolling. You have been unable to produce anything of any substance. Earlier you said that people would be surprised at what you know, and claimed to be intelligent, more intelligent than Mick in fact. Unfortunately the politeness policy forbids me giving my opinion on your claims but I do feel a little ripped off.
 

Soulfly

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I did not research it, I done a quick google search, saw the page, linked it as it was only 2 days ago, and allowed you to do the research. Thank you.
I get why you are so afraid of these chips, you are lazy and don't do your own work. This behavior could be deemed as "undesirable" in the future and these chips could be be used on you. :D
 
I get why you are so afraid of these chips, you are lazy and don't do your own work. This behavior could be deemed as "undesirable" in the future and thus chips could be be used on you. :D

No the thing is, I didn't care about that post, I thought you may have. See the only point I actually care about on this subject, is that the chip can track you with GPS, and the cyanide part. You explained about the cyanide for me, but the GPS tracking is in fact in use. Now the part about the government forcing this on people, I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does, we probably won't know until it is too late.
 
Just as I suspected. Trolling. You have been unable to produce anything of any substance. Earlier you said that people would be surprised at what you know, and claimed to be intelligent, more intelligent than Mick in fact. Unfortunately the politeness policy forbids me giving my opinion on your claims but I do feel a little ripped off.

My intelligence is not based on the RFID chips. My intelligence is based on how well I could run a world government and my logic regarding space, timetravel and things of the sort. Regarding the world government, you may think oh, you're only 19 you can't do that. Well, I am starting to write out a whole policy which I will upload and you can see it once it is done. I don't expect to become a world leader with it, but it is in fact what I believe to be a guaranteed way for everyone to work in harmony and progress as a race in the universe. BUT everyone would have to be willing.. One of the biggest problems to remove would be religion.. Anyway that's another story and you can read it once I've completed it.
 

Soulfly

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My intelligence is not based on the RFID chips. My intelligence is based on how well I could run a world government and my logic regarding space, timetravel and things of the sort. Regarding the world government, you may think oh, you're only 19 you can't do that. Well, I am starting to write out a whole policy which I will upload and you can see it once it is done. I don't expect to become a world leader with it, but it is in fact what I believe to be a guaranteed way for everyone to work in harmony and progress as a race in the universe. BUT everyone would have to be willing.. One of the biggest problems to remove would be religion.. Anyway that's another story and you can read it once I've completed it.
I suggest uploading your manifesto in the ramblings section.
 

Mick West

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Staff member
Ashley, I'm afraid it seem you are either trolling, or you are really not ready to listen to reason. Why don't you take 24 hours off to prepare a detailed explanation of how RFID chips can use GPS. Include details about how big they are, and what power source they use.

You will now be banned for 24 hours. If when you come back you can present something convincing (either way), then you can continue.

But focus on this one claim that you made.
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
Ooooo loook what I just found :)

I don't personally know if this is true, but you can be the judge.

http://nationalreport.net/rfid-chip-now-being-issued-in-hanna-wyoming-as-part-of-new-obamacare-plan/


You don't know if its true or not but can't be bothered to find out...seriously- wtf?

Did you even read the article or just see the headline and jump to your conclusion??

...or even worse- did you read it and "judge" it to be true??:


ummm...no.

from Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp#update

 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
... I don't expect to become a world leader with it, but it is in fact what I believe to be a guaranteed way for everyone to work in harmony and progress as a race in the universe. BUT everyone would have to be willing.. One of the biggest problems to remove would be religion.. Anyway that's another story and you can read it once I've completed it.
Hmm, so you would have to get everyone in the world to co-operate to bring on a new era of peace and prosperity - some sort of New World Order. What would you do about that portion of the world who under no circumstances would want to be part of a NWO, no matter how peaceful and prosperous you said it was going to be, and vowed to destroy it at all costs? Maybe some kind of surveillance technology that would track these dangerous undesirables?
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
One of the sites that has been active in posting misinformation about the Macondo well blow out in the Gulf, posted that as a real story. Of course many of their posters also believe in chem trails. I think that is where I first encountered the term and that led me here.
 
I'm not afraid of these chips either, the only reason I came to this site was to get opinions. My conclusion is that the chips do track, the government is not forcing them on people unless it is in secret and that there is probably no cyanide in the ones that would be used. I really don't care much for this story anyway, you are the "debunkers", I have much more interesting things in research in space.
 

Mick West

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Staff member
If you don not care enough to back up a claim with facts, then do not make the claim.

Do you understand now how tracking people using GPS in an body-embedded RFID chip is (for all practical purposes) impossible?
 
I suggest uploading your manifesto in the ramblings section.

You can laugh now but you have no idea about my ideas or intelligence. You are annoyed because I didn't do research around a subject I care little about. You are the debunker, do your job.
 
If you don not care enough to back up a claim with facts, then do not make the claim.

Do you understand now how tracking people using GPS in an body-embedded RFID chip is (for all practical purposes) impossible?

Where is the evidence for that claim?

I was simply putting an opinion across, and looking for others opinions..
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
No evidence for such.




Check the size of these

http://www.skyrfid.com/index.php?pr=RFID_Active_Tags
 
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MikeC

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RFID chips are impractical for GPS tracking because of their short range - they do not have a power source to transmit data, so are used with readers that are passed close to them - or which they pass close to.

From your link above you might have found that "active tracking" the RFID devices require BATTERIES in order to provide the power to increase the range.

Where are the batteries in an RFID chip? what is the power source to achieve this?

If this an example of the research you do when you ARE interested in something how does it differ from the level you did not do when you were not interested??
 
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MikeC

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Ahould this be a new thread? It is no longer about the law that supposedly "required" this hoax - it is now about could the technology exist at he moment at all?
 
RFID chips are impractical for GPS tracking because of their short range - they do not have a power source to transmit data, so are used with readers that are passed close to them - or which they pass close to.

From your link above you might have found that "active tracking" the RFID devices require BATTERIES in order to provide the power to increase the range.

Where are the batteries in an RFID chip? what is the power source to achieve this?

If this an example of the research you do when you ARE interested in something how does it differ from the level you did not do when you were not interested??

I simply looked for something that did actually integrate RFID and GPS. All I'm saying is, is that it is POSSIBLE, and there is also a possibility that they do already have the technology.. If not, it will be there one day. Just like, one day we will have replicators.
 
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MikeC

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So we can conclude that you do about the same level of research whether you are actually interested in something or not - you look for a "headline" and make no effort to comprehend it!

It was never in doubt that you could integrate GPS and RFID - they are pretty well known systems - the only point in actual contention, the one everyone was asking you to clarify, was how you think it could be done in a chip inserted under the skin.

looks to me like you might be accepting that THAT is not quite the done deal you have been suggesting.

Might it be done some time in the future? Maybe - I'd even go so far as to say probably - but it will require something other than hard wired batteries as a power source!!

Replicators? Methinks you should watch less Star Trek and read more New Scientist!
 
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Pete Tar

Senior Member.
I simply looked for something that did actually integrate RFID and GPS. All I'm saying is, is that it is POSSIBLE, and there is also a possibility that they do already have the technology.. If not, it will be there one day. Just like, one day we will have replicators.
What's the point , in the context of this forum which is about what evidence *exists* for something, in speculating on what's possible? Infinite things are possible. To say 'well it's possible' is entirely meaningless and has no place in the context of the sort of analysis that is attempted here.
 
Hmm, so you would have to get everyone in the world to co-operate to bring on a new era of peace and prosperity - some sort of New World Order. What would you do about that portion of the world who under no circumstances would want to be part of a NWO, no matter how peaceful and prosperous you said it was going to be, and vowed to destroy it at all costs? Maybe some kind of surveillance technology that would track these dangerous undesirables?

No, I would show them that my plans would work.
 
What's the point , in the context of this forum which is about what evidence *exists* for something, in speculating on what's possible? Infinite things are possible. To say 'well it's possible' is entirely meaningless and has no place in the context of the sort of analysis that is attempted here.

It has a lot more relevance than you know. It is what theoretical physicists do every day, finding out what we CAN do.. Then it is put into action and they create and use the technology. They are the things that are proven to be possible, not just simply oh this could happen, that could happen.
 
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So we can conclude that you do about the same level of research whether you are actually interested in something or not - you look for a "headline" and make no effort to comprehend it!

It was never in doubt that you could integrate GPS and RFID - they are pretty well known systems - the only point in actual contention, the one everyone was asking you to clarify, was how you think it could be done in a chip inserted under the skin.

looks to me like you might be accepting that THAT is not quite eth done deal you have been suggesting.

Might it be done some time in het future? Maybe - I'd even go so far as to say probably - but it will require something other than hard wired batteries as a power source!!

Replicators? Methinks you should watch less Star Trek and read more New Scientist!

You my friend, are a fool and you do not understand me. I am not interested in this subject, hence why I am letting you do the research. I simply wanted to voice my opinion of what I had seen in the past, and receive the opinions of people here, I have done that. I have a conclusion on the original law and I know that the tracking is possible. That is enough for now. I just hope the government doesn't enforce any of these conspiracies. Anyway, I prefer to research into things about space and physics so I will get back to that, thank you. :)
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
How does it have relevance to this forum though? This forum is about what actually exists, not speculation. I'm sure there are future war, military, science fiction forums where this can be discussed and speculated on to your heart's content.
 

Mick West

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Staff member
Ashley has been banned for one month for being impolite.

I don't think conversation with him as going to be very productive. Seeing as he seemed convinced he was more intelligent than everyone.

I'm trying to keep a reasonable signal-to-noise ratio here.
 
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