http://matzav.com/cops-sydney-hostage-situation-overPolice stormed in both sides of the cafe, firing about 90 rounds to Monis' five.
A volley of stun grenades were used to disorientate and the assault rifles killed the 50-year-old self-styled sheikh.
http://www.evoke.ie/evoke/sydney-siege-ends/Police firing automatic weapons and lobbing stun grenades stormed the cafe in central Sydney early on Tuesday where a gunman had been holding more than a dozen hostages, bringing a dramatic end to a siege lasting more than 16 hours.
In fact, I've just spent 20 minutes checking news reports of the storming, and ALL mention use of stun grenades. Not suprising really, as stun grenades are often used in these situations.Police fired automatic weapons and lobbed stun grenades before storming the Lindt cafe in Martin Place in the heart of the city’s central business district.
How would they have done that if they weren't in the room? Or do you mean they would have infiltrated without being seen?
It is interesting, but not likely that we will hear much more about their methods as they like to keep away from general knowledge for obvious reasons. There's plenty of SWAT demo stuff on YouTube, as well as MOUT tactics if ur interested in that line.
My uncle had every single one of his semi-automatic firearms confiscated. Even his rabbit guns, such as his Breakdown Browning (a beautiful little .22). He knew lots of fellows who did not turn theirs in, and whose residences were raided by police. The police knew where to look because Australia had a "registration" program prior to the ban on semi-auto.
dis·arm
disˈärm/
verb
- 1.
take a weapon or weapons away from (a person, force, or country).
"guerrillas had completely disarmed and demobilized their forces"
synonyms: demilitarize,demobilize
.A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Australia and that no individual may possess them. While it's true that Australia has restrictive firearms laws, rifles and shotguns (including semi-automatic), as well as handguns are all legal within a narrow set of criteria
From wiki for clarity, more details as to the exact legislation from state to state can be found here...State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Firearms Agreement (NFA). Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.
Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number except firearms manufactured before 1 Jan 1901 which in some cases are exempt from a serial number or exempt from registration all together. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category.
Firearms categories
Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories determined by the National Firearm Agreement with different levels of control. The categories are:
- Category A: Rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles, and paintball markers. A "Genuine Reason" must be provided for a Category A firearm.
- Category B: Centrefire rifles (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901. Apart from a "Genuine Reason", a "Genuine Need" must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.
- Category C: Self loading rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or self loading shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.
- Category D: Self loading centrefire rifles, pump-action or self loading shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.
These categories – A,B,C,D and H were those determined by the NFA. The others listed here are determined by the states that have implement them at their own discretion.
- Category H: Handguns including air pistols and deactivated handguns. Neither SA nor WA require deactivated handguns to be regarded as handguns after deactivation. This situation[when?] was the catalyst in QLD for the deactivation and diversion of thousands of handguns to the black-market[vague] – the loophole[which?] shut since 2001) This class is available to target shooters and certain security guards where your job requires possession of a firearm. To be eligible for a Category H firearm, a target shooter must serve a probationary period of 12 months the first 6 months using club handguns, then in the remainder of the last 6 month probationary license, an application may be made, permit to acquire for one air pistol OR one rimfire pistol. A minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun and be a financial member of an approved Pistol Club. [2]
Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain "approved" pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently Single Action Shooting and Metallic Silhouette. IPSC shooting is approved for 9mm/.38/.357 sig, handguns that meet the IPSC rules, but larger calibres are not approved for IPSC handgun shooting contests in Australia.[3] Category H barrels must be at least 100mm (3.94") long for revolvers, and 120mm (4.72") for semi-automatic pistols unless the pistols are clearly ISSF target pistols: magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handguns held as part of a collection were exempted from these limits.
Certain Antique firearms (generally muzzle loading black powder flint lock firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901) can in some states be legally held without licences. In other states they are subject to the same requirements as modern firearms.
- Category R/E: Restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, full automatic self loading rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, etc. can be owned by collectors in some states provided that these weapons have been rendered permanently inoperable. They are subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as fully functioning firearms.
All single-shot muzzleloading firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901 are considered antique firearms. Four states require licences for antique percussion revolvers and cartridge repeating firearms, but in Queensland and Victoria a person may possess such a firearm without a licence, so long as the firearm is registered (percussion revolvers require a license in Victoria).
I think you're fully aware of what I'm saying - the general idea of being "disarmed" is to remove all weapons. The public can still legally own firearms, there are just imposed restrictions on what can be owned. Therefore if a person still has a firearm/firearms, irrespective of whether they have had some taken away, then they are "by definition" still armed. Bolt, lever, pump actions and handguns (semi auto and revolver) are still very much available and widely owned. The gun that was used in Sydney during the Lindt siege was probably a black market gun, sadly enough these are easily obtained as they're usually stolen from licenced owners or from "back in the day" when a whole bunch of them went "missing" during the seizure/buy back phase.
But presumably that might have something to do with this...https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/the-secrets-of-the-lindt-cafe,7207
We don't know yet whose bullets, or stun grenades, killed Katrina Dawson. We don't know yet whose weaponry wounded four others. We don't know the others' names.
We don't know why there were so many shots fired; and whether, in the dark, they knew who they were shooting at. We don't know why this has not been revealed.
We don't know why the police forebade the hostages to give any detailed media interviews. We don't know why the prime minister refused them help when two of them begged for it. We don't know why a Muslim cleric was not allowed to talk to the 'terrorist', as has happened in similar situations, hundreds of times, thousands of times across the world.
We don't know much about anything. And we can only surmise an enormous cover-up is taking place.
(well except for the one about a Muslim cleric not talking to the hostage-taker, or the 'refusing help when they begged for it', which I don't know what is about)
A number of different bodies will undertake formal investigations. An inquest by the NSW state coroner is mandatory whenever people die in a police operation.[119]Commissioner Scipione announced on 16 December that a "critical incident" investigation will be undertaken by NSW police,[120] to be headed by Detective Inspector Angelo Memmolo.[121] The Australian Federal Police are conducting another inquiry into the event. Finally, a joint review has been announced by the federal and state governments, to be led by Michael Thawley from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and Blair Comley of the New South Wales Department of Premier and Cabinet.[122]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis#Investigations
I don''t think he's a false-flagger, he's a life-long old-school journo so he wouldn't be that far gone I hope. But as a left-winger full of disgust for Tony Abbot's government I think he just *really* wants there to be some gross-misconduct involved to lay at his door.
The comments are pretty whiny, but typical. So Not a tony fan either, Pete? ;-)
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The balistic reports so far that have been listed in the media, as above, state that two of the hostages died as a result of being shot by the offenders gun. The first was seen by the police sniper being shot, hence the 'hostage down' call, the second from a shotgun pellet rupturing her aorta. Police on scene were not using shotguns, the offender had a shotgun, seems fairly clear cut.
https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/the-secrets-of-the-lindt-cafe,7207
We don't know yet whose bullets, or stun grenades, killed Katrina Dawson. We don't know yet whose weaponry wounded four others. We don't know the others' names.
We don't know why there were so many shots fired; and whether, in the dark, they knew who they were shooting at. We don't know why this has not been revealed.
We don't know why the police forebade the hostages to give any detailed media interviews. We don't know why the prime minister refused them help when two of them begged for it. We don't know why a Muslim cleric was not allowed to talk to the 'terrorist', as has happened in similar situations, hundreds of times, thousands of times across the world.
We don't know much about anything. And we can only surmise an enormous cover-up is taking place.
May be because we live in a modern world where thanks to information technology we can get so much instant information; we can watch new breaking as it happens, watch play by play sporting events from the other side of the world in real time and have almost instant access to vast amounts of information; some people expect everything to work that way. So therefore if the siege and resolution was instant and live, any investigation and inquiry that isn't 'as it happens' must therefore, to the paranoid CT mind mean something is being covered up.
I agree 100% - I guess it's as Whitebeard said, we're now living in an age of instant gratification and the public are used to getting it NOW. Even so, that still doesn't answer the question of why they're entitled to that information. It's a perfectly natural thing to want answers and hold people accountable for their actions, but that doesn't mean they get to be inside the cafe the instant the smoke clears. There are always going to be some things that can't or won't be released, I just can't see how they stretch this out to mean it's a cover up.
