Boston: Glenn Beck and the Saudi National

Mick West

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JANET NAPOLITANO’S MAJOR ADMISSION: SAUDI STUDENT WAS PUT ON WATCHLIST
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...dmission-saudi-student-was-put-on-watch-list/
He was not on a watchlist when he got a student visa (which is the gist of the question)

He was very briefly put on a watchlist while being interviewed after the bombing.

How is this "major"?
 

Joe

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latest news ; ARMED AND DANGEROUS’: BECK’S LATEST REVELATIONS ON SAUDI NATIONAL ONCE A ‘PERSON OF INTEREST’ IN BOSTON BOMBINGS
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...idered-person-of-interest-in-boston-bombings/

 
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Joe

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[h=1]Photos of a visit Michelle Obama is alleged to have had with Abdul Rahman Alharbi — the Saudi national previously considered to be “person of interest,” “armed and dangerous,” and worthy of inclusion on a watch list — may have appeared on a Facebook page associated with an English language school in Boston or students who share a common bond of going to English schools in the area.
Photo Credit: Facebook
A close-up of the alleged photo.
The above photo montage, which was posted at FreeRepublic today, originally appears on the Facebook page for “EC Boston Saudi’s.” EC Boston most likely refers to the EC Boston English Language School. The Arabic caption on the photo reads: “اخونا عبدالرحمن الحربي مع ميشيل أُباما واصاحبة”
Filtered through Google Translate, this comes out to: “Brother Abdul Rahman Alharbi with Michelle [untranslatable] and Asahabh.” The photos were originally posted by Facebook user Yazeed Salem, who appears to be pictured with Alharbi in the top-left photo.


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Pete Tar

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Explanation -
http://news.yahoo.com/glenn-beck-conspiracy-theory-whats-evidence-202312996.html


http://www.salon.com/2013/04/23/gle..._government_to_disprove_my_conspiracy_theory/
 

Joe

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Explanation -
http://news.yahoo.com/glenn-beck-conspiracy-theory-whats-evidence-202312996.html


http://www.salon.com/2013/04/23/gle..._government_to_disprove_my_conspiracy_theory/
apparently you didnt watch his show ? this was more then a watch list . There was a 212 3(B) report, that unless there is evidence it wouldn't be possible to label him a with that . Heres a example on how hard it is to get off the list http://www.petition2congress.com/2819 . Heres a expert on his show explaining what it is . http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...d-experts-weigh-in-on-saudi-nationals-status/ But Im sure you wont watch it youll just go with the government story ?
 

Joe

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Can't watch videos. I'll go with point, counter-point, and weigh accordingly.
The expert says its impossible to get a 212 3 (b) unless there is substantial evidence and its takes a group of individuals to get on it . Which they must have got during the search of his apartment and the 5 hr interview of his roommate . He was supposed to be in Ohio not Boston there was no record of him in Ohio so he could have applied for a transfer . He got into the states without any background checks which is a new status add for Saudis . There are 75000 saudi students with student visas in America 15000 they have no clue where they are ? http://www.messersmithlaw.com/212-Inadmissibility/INA-212-a3B.html
 

somnamblst

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So? They visited multiple injured people in multiple hospitals. Why do the Beck fans ignore the part where other patients in multiple places were also visited?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/18/obamas-visit-boston-marathon-bombing-victims-at-hospitals/

BOSTON (CBS) - President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama visited victims of the Boston Marathon bombings at several hospitals Thursday afternoon.
After attending an interfaith service at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, the president rode to Massachusetts General Hospital where he met privately with patients, their families and hospital staff.
The First Lady went to Boston Children’s Hospital, where she visited the medical and surgical intensive care unit.
Afterwards, she went next door to Brigham and Women’s Hospital to meet more victims and their families for more than an hour.
The visits were off limits to the media and came on short notice for security reasons.
 

AluminumTheory

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http://news.yahoo.com/glenn-beck-conspiracy-theory-whats-evidence-202312996.html

Beck said he had received a document he called a 212 3(B) report, named after its reference in the Patriot Act. The document said that a Saudi national with the same name as the person questioned in the hours after the bombing is an “exact match” to someone on a no-fly list and that derogatory information on him is “sufficient to request visa revocation.”
A copy of the alleged document posted online by Beck’s web site The Blaze also noted that the person in question “has One (1) prior event,” though there was no indication what, or how serious, that event was.
Wow, I mean, this does not look good, does it? Twitter has exploded with comments about how important this is, and how it presages the exposure of the conspiracy, which probably involves everyone up to the level of the Oval Office, and perhaps beyond.
But Bret Baier had this piece of paper already. On Tuesday, he talked with US officials about it, and got a different story.
First off, Baier said the wording of the paper was indeed somewhat dire.
“Anyone looking at this would say this is a bad guy, this means they had a lot of stuff on this guy,” he said.
But officials told him it was simply an automatic piece of customs paperwork triggered when police went to question the Saudi in the hours after the bombing.
To make sure he did not somehow get on an airplane before they could talk to him, they put him on a no-fly list. That automatically meant he was subject to visa revocation. The other language, including the reference to an “event,” followed from that.
“Also keep in mind, it’s just … a customs and border control document…. It’s not indicative of any investigative information,” said Baier.

After the FBI determined the man had no connection to the Boston crime, it took several days for the bureaucracy to scrub him out of its system. That is why the document existed for a short period of time, and why it shows evidence of officials trying to change it. But anyone searching the system for his name on the Sunday prior to the bombing would have found nothing, reported Baier, because no US government agency was looking for him.
Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano referred to all this obliquely in a Senate hearing on Tuesday.
Sen. Charles Grassley (R) of Iowa asked her, “With regard to the Saudi student, was he on a watch list?”
The Homeland Security Secretary replied that the Saudi in question had not been on a watch list prior to the bombings and was never really a person of interest in the case.
 

Pete Tar

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This seems to be a re-igniting of prior resentment around the Saudi connection to 9-11.
It suggests the government's relationship to Saudi Arabia would take precedence over stopping or prosecuting a terrorist attack on it's own soil. It's a bit much to imply.
 

Joe

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This seems to be a re-igniting of prior resentment around the Saudi connection to 9-11.
It suggests the government's relationship to Saudi Arabia would take precedence over stopping or prosecuting a terrorist attack on it's own soil. It's a bit much to imply.
Are you saying the 15 Saudis had noyhiong to do with 9/11 or the fact that the Bin laden family are Saudis ? Or the fact when planes were grounded only the Bin Ladens were allowed to fly out of America into Saudi Arabia ? A bit Much ???? http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/16/3345954/fbi-report-florida-family-had.html [h=1]London's former mayor blames America first for Boston bombings http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...blames_america_first_for_boston_bombings.html[/h]
 

Pete Tar

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Wasn't commenting on the veracity of the original Saudi 9-11 connections.
But there is a clear urge to connect this event with that one, which, unless better evidence is found, doesn't seem warranted at this point, if ever.

It is a bit much to say that if there was clear evidence of a Saudi being involved with terrorism on American soil they would be let go.
Has no Saudi ever been arrested or charged in America, on terrorist charges or other?
 

AluminumTheory

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The Blaze?
Where is the Saudi ?
Don't know, maybe he's still in the hospital. Unless you can prove his connection to the bombing, it really doesn't matter.
Big Sis ?
Again, he was only on a watch list for a brief period of time because he was a suspect that was later found to have no connection to the crime. And he wasnt on a watchlist when he got his student visa.
 

Joe

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The Blaze?

Don't know, maybe he's still in the hospital. Unless you can prove his connection to the bombing, it really doesn't matter.

Again, he was only on a watch list for a brief period of time because he was a suspect that was later found to have no connection to the crime. And he wasnt on a watchlist when he got his student visa.
He wasnt on a watch list . He wasnt where he was supposed to be, in Ohio . There was no record of transfer to a college in Boston . where are the other 15000 Saudi students that never showed up for school and cant be found ? We have all these people in our country and we cant even track where they are ? You OK with that ? According to insiders there is no way to classify him with that status and remove it that quickly . Unless they are totally incompetent ? which we know they are .
 

AluminumTheory

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He wasnt on a watch list .
I though you said that he was...
He wasnt where he was supposed to be, in Ohio.
So?
Maybe he transferred.
There was no record of transfer to a college in Boston.
CORRECTION. There is no record of his transfer that is available to the Public because that is not your business nor is it the business of Glenn Beck.
where are the other 15000 Saudi students that never showed up for school and cant be found?
Source?

We have all these people in our country and we cant even track where they are ? You OK with that ?
Strawman?

According to insiders there is no way to classify him with that status and remove it that quickly . Unless they are totally incompetent ? which we know they are .
Well according to other 'insiders' it took several days for the FBI to scrub him out of their system upon determining no relation to the attack. indicating that the process of removal from this list is more complicated than a few keystrokes. Keep in mind that this is not a 'typical' situation in which a person would be placed on a watch list. This happened in the wake of an actual terrorist attack in which investigators apparently jumped the gun and presumed his guilt or association with a guilty party. Of course they found that this was not the case, and probably felt it was important to remove him from any watch lists ASAP.
Also according to Glenn Beck's own source; Bob Trent, the 212 tag is to prevent entry into the U.S. But he's already here so he should have been tagged for deportation under section 237. Depending on how you look at this, you could take this as corroborating with the official story that he was placed on a no fly list to prevent departure while he was a suspect which would explain why he wasnt tagged for deportation because that's not what they wanted. Or you could take this as a discrepancy that puts the document that Glenn Beck produced into question. Not to mention that there are numerous case of people erroneously being put on these terror watch lists and no fly which is partly evidenced in one of the links that you posted. That IMO partially discredits some of these so called 'experts' who say that it is impossible to be placed on these watch lists without substantial evidence.

Glenn Beck is just speculating at whatever circumstantial evidence he can find to support his eroding conspiracy theory and likewise eroding credibility.
 

Adam

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Are you saying the 15 Saudis had noyhiong to do with 9/11 or the fact that the Bin laden family are Saudis ? Or the fact when planes were grounded only the Bin Ladens were allowed to fly out of America into Saudi Arabia ? A bit Much ???? http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/16/3345954/fbi-report-florida-family-had.html London's former mayor blames America first for Boston bombings http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...blames_america_first_for_boston_bombings.html
I fail to see what Ken's quote has to do with any of this. He's right, really - US foreign policy has angered a lot of people. Or, rather, people's perceptions of US foreign policy has angered a lot of people (if you prefer) and that has led to terrorism, as it did in Boston. Or at least that appears to be one of the motives.
 

AluminumTheory

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Glenn Beck released an alleged “event file” on Alharbi that seems to indicate that he was on a terror watch list and a no fly list. Beck later makes an effort towards interpreting this file for his viewers.
Now, let’s look at that event file and see what we can make of it.
What we’re dealing with here is a 212, 3b lowercase roman numeral 1 and uppercase roman numeral 2.
According to justice.gov, section 212 refers to classes of aliens Ineligible for Visas or Admission based on (3B) Terrorist activities

  1. In General , any alien who
(II) A consular officer, the attorney general or the secretary of homeland security knows or has reasonable ground to believe, is engaged in or is likely to engage after entry in any terrorist activisty as defined in clause (iv)
This doesn’t sound quite like what glenn beck told his viewers when he described the process for tagging someone with a 2123b

Well, According to justice.gov all it really takes to tag someone with this is a consular officer the attorney general or the secretary of homeland security who has reasonable ground to BELIEVE that that the individual is associated with terrorism. So it basically can be based on an opinion which I would hardly call a huge burden of proof.
Glenn Beck Claims Alharbi is armed and dangerous.
He claims that Alharbi is listed as armed and dangerous on the 2nd​ page of this event file which he said he would get back to in a second, but at no point does he ever show us the 2nd​ page and at no point does he produce evidence to back up this claim despite heavily emphasizing that Alharbi is declared Armed and Dangerous…... I guess this is just not that important.

Glenn gets it wrong on the SAO.

Actually, an SAO is called a “Security Advisory Opinion” , NOT “Special Advisory Option” But at least he got the “Advisory” Part right. The SAO is a process that is used to grant or deny a United States visa to certain applicants. The purpose of the additional review is to focus on serious issues such as hostile intelligence activity, potential terrorist threats, and diversion of sensitive U.S. technology. A relatively small number of non-immigrant visa applications, less than 3% the workload, are submitted by consular officers overseas for Washington-level screening by federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies. So for all we know, “SAO not completed” could simply mean that it wasn’t deemed necessary at the time his Visa was issued.
But to be clear, an SAO is basically for anyone who has suspected ties to terrorism or other illegal activity. An SAO is NOT a special status for Politicians, Journalists or VIPs as Glenn Beck stated.
Glenn Beck Questions Expired Visa
Glenn Beck seems to be deliberately conflating Alharbi with the other Saudi national who was being held on grounds completely unrelated to the Boston Bombing. This person is said to be in custody for visa violations. This was something that Beck himself explained on his show several days earlier and this information was also posted to his website, “The Blaze” on April 18th​. Whether or not you choose to believe this is up to you, but he should have at least pointed that out as a possible explanation for the discrepancy in the event file.
Glenn Beck Questions School Transfer
While it is apparently true that Alharbi did apply to the University of Findlay, but never attended as indicated in this article,but whether or not he transferred is not a matter of the public and is quite frankly none of Glenn Beck’s business. Information regarding Alharbi’s whereabouts and the school he attends is between him, the school and immigration officials. It is more likely that he applied for a Student Visa while he was slated to attend the University of Findlay, but was later accepted to another, more preferable school and was transferred there.
And for what it’s worth. Alharbi’s facebook page indicated that he was attending the New England School of English in Massachusetts.
Glenn Beck Exlplains the Event File Process
Glenn Beck claims to have intimate knowledge of the event file creation process, but none of this information can be corroborated outside of this program. He claimed that his sources were impeccable, and yet using publicly available information, I just pointed out a massive hole in his narrative when he claimed that Alharbi was given a special status under a Special Advisory Option which does not seem to exist in regard to Immigration. So much for.. Impeccable sources…


Later, Glenn Beck discusses this event file with Bob Trent who is said to be a retired INS special agent.

Don’t ever let facts ruin a good story, as soon Beck realized that Trent wasn’t going to corroborate he narrative he interrupts him in the middle of his explanation to jump on to the next subject.

He brings up the “special exemption” but doesn’t seem to have the event file in front of him because when you’re speaking to an expert in the field, the last thing you want is to have the material that you’re discussing right in front of you. As we already know, Beck is referring to the SAO which he called a special advisory option which is actually a security advisory opinion and has nothing to do with a special status. At this point Beck already knew that Trent was not going to corroborate his story as Trent already pointed out that the 212 tag is designated for someone who has not yet arrived to the U.S. thus placing the authenticity of his document in question. So Beck convieeeeeenently forgot about the SAO and just referred to it as a special exemption to avoid potential embarrassment and to make it appear as if Trent is corroborating his story by confirming that Visas are expedited for VIPs even though SAOs have nothing to do with VIPs, special exemptions nor other priority status.
Later Glenn Beck again discusses the Armed and Dangereous descrption on the 2nd​ page of the event file that he still has failed to show to
Trent further clarified that the 212 tag is something that would be placed on an individual outside of the United States for the purpose of blocking him from entering the country. Therefore the tag would have no purpose to place on someone who is already within U.S. borders.
Now this could explain something providing that Beck’s event file is actually real. What Trent just said indicates that the file may have been produced in error. He already pointed out the discrepancy regarding the 212 tag pointing out that it wasn’t even the correct tag for a foreigner already within our borders. This could also explain why there were attempts to edit the file later. And in the case of an error, it would make a lot of sense that the state dept. would not want anyone else looking at this to prevent any further unwarranted investigations.
Alleged White House Visits?

Of course the guys over at Infowars couldn’t resist jumping on this conspiracy bandwagon despite the fact that doesn’t seem to jive with their conspiracy theory, but who cares, a conspiracy is a conspiracy and any conspiracy theory is a good conspiracy theory.
Now, this is another one of those times where it helps to do some real research.
The first line of the event file contains the individual’s name, ALHARBI, ABDULRAHMAN ALI E


And lines 1, 3 and 4 are the only matches for the Saudi’s given name and surname. As we can see on the event file, his middle initial is E, thus ruling out lines 3 and 4 whose middle initial is S. This leaves us with line 1 detailing an Alharbi who has a middle name beginning with an A. This could stand for Ali, but this person is shown to have visted the White house in 2009, a full 2 years before the Alharbi on the event file was even issued a visa according to the document


Michelle Obama is also reported to have visited Rahman in the hospital, thus proving some sort of a connection. Now to be fair the Blaze did point out that it is unlikely that the Obamas did not specifically visit Alhrabi, and that the visit took place while the president and first lady visited the victims of the Boston Marathon Bombing.

Based on his surname, Alharbi, people have speculated that he is royalty, and has family ties to terrorism. This comes from a lack of understanding of the construct of Arab Names which are unlike western names. The first name “Abdul” is the individual’s father’s name, the 2nd​ name “Rahman” is his given name, the 3rd​ name “Al-Harbi” is his tribe or his surname. Ali simply refers to the fact that he is very religious.
The name Al-Harbi refers to the Harb tribe in the Arabian peninsula. And while there is no official population count, it’s population is estimated at 4 million is Saudi Arabia.
So sharing a surname in an Arab country in no way indicates genetic relationship or acquaintance much in the same way that sharing a surname in the western world does not indicate genetic relationship or acquaintance.

The fact of the matter is that there are numeral discrepancies in the event file that he produced as evidenced by Bob Trent and official government documents so who knows whether that was even real or fake or simply produced in error. Either scenario is just as likely.
 
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Soulfly

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Exclusive interview with the Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi in his own voice.
http://www.theislamicmonthly.com/exclusive-interview-with-the-saudi-man-from-boston/
 

AluminumTheory

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Good for him :) Maybe he was invited due to him being erroneously listed as a terrorist. I also read somewhere that he received death threats from people who seem to think that he was involved in the Boston Bombing.

In my personal opinion. I think Al Harbi should sue Glenn Beck for defamation of character and slander.
 

Soulfly

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Good for him :) Maybe he was invited due to him being erroneously listed as a terrorist. I also read somewhere that he received death threats from people who seem to think that he was involved in the Boston Bombing.

In my personal opinion. I think Al Harbi should sue Glenn Beck for defamation of character and slander.
I wonder if any other victims were invited a well.
 

Cairenn

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And Beck is repeating the same debunked nonsense from before. That lawn was full of folks, someone was invited.
 

AluminumTheory

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Nope I doubt it but it shows you how connected this guy was to the Whitehouse . What are the Odds ?
No it doesn't. It only shows that he was invited. The man had his life turned upside down by a terrorist attack, a prejudiced public, over zealous investigators, and a fear mongering talk show host. Maybe it was the least they could do for him.
 

Joe

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No it doesn't. It only shows that he was invited. The man had his life turned upside down by a terrorist attack, a prejudiced public, over zealous investigators, and a fear mongering talk show host. Maybe it was the least they could do for him.
Really ? How many other Boston bombing victims were invited ? Its the government that accused him by putting him on the list in the first place . I still smell a rat .
 

AluminumTheory

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Well it's like this.

The centerpiece of this whole conspiracy is Glenn Beck's event file which I have thoroughly debunked. Without that, everything else is trivial.
 

Joe

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Well it's like this.

The centerpiece of this whole conspiracy is Glenn Beck's even file which I have thoroughly debunked. Without that, everything else is trivial.
Only in your own world . The extreme left . You probably think there is nothing in Benghazi ,IRS , NSA or Fast and Furious too ? You are blinded by your left wing ideology Maddow blog ?
 

AluminumTheory

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Only in your own world . The extreme left . You probably think there is nothing in Benghazi ,IRS , NSA or Fast and Furious too ? You are blinded by your left wing ideology Maddow blog ?
If believing in facts makes me a left wing extremist, then I'll wear that label with pride. :)
 

Joe

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If believing in facts makes me a left wing extremist, then I'll wear that label with pride. :)
No its where you get your so called facts from . So when they were gassing people in Germany and there were no facts YET to support that conspiracy which is what most Germans believed until they saw the facts ? Yet it was too late because someone was busy debunking them as well with the facts they were fed from the Government MEDIA COMPLEX . PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE SMOKE STACKS .
 
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