Anomalous triangular object filmed flying over my house.

[jarlrmai]

Nightvision devices just introduce us to a whole new LIZ.

It's hard to recreate these videos because you have to be far enough away that you don't know things are there but also know what they are so that they are an identified thing. So likely you need 2 or more people coordinating at night at a place where ducks are flying in to correlate known ducks with LIZ ducks.

These things are picked up by accident.

 

[deirdre]

it's only 10 seconds of video. most any bird type could randomly be flying in a "v formation" for 10 seconds if they are flying together. just saying...

 

[jarlrmai]

The reason ducks are suggested are we know

Ducks exist.
Ducks fly.
Ducks fly in groups that are often triangular.
They fly fast and direct and have small wings that flap often.
Ducks would reflect NIR and so would be visible.

It could be other birds if course like waders etc is just ducks often fly in tight formations.

Stepping back, birds is really the suggestion.

But there are birds it likely isn't like raptors etc

Really I am just skipping a step, where I suggest birds and then am asked what birds fly at night, fast, without long visible wings and in 3's etc and the answer is probably ducks.

 

[Giddierone]

I want to bring forth satellites as explanation

We know the date time and location so that should be simple enough to determine.

The OP's video seems similar to this at [0:12]. Take away the other 5 birds and look at the three leading ones and you have a triangle of three white blobs passing swiftly across the night sky.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeMhlhdmLAQ&ab_channel=UFO%27Lou%27sChannel

 

[JMartJr]

Ducks fly in groups that are often triangular.

With three ducks, or anything else, a triangle or a straight line are pretty much the only possible arrangements.

I want to bring forth satellites as explanation. Examples are constellation formations or cluster formations.

I know there are satellites that fly in triads... but do they travel in that tight a cluster? My spot-check shows lights with a lot more space between them...

 

[jarlrmai]

With three ducks, or anything else, a triangle or a straight line are pretty much the only possible arrangements.

Sure but ducks tend to form more regular triangles.

 

[Ravi]

I know there are satellites that fly in triads... but do they travel in that tight a cluster? My spot-check shows lights with a lot more space between them...

I cannot name a mission with those specifics, but I can imagine existing examples. Perhaps more commercial, or even military ones. There is a lot in orbits. Perhaps you are more thinking about communication types?

 

[jdog]

Not endorsing any particular theory, but these photos of Australian plumed whistling ducks at https://www.byronbaybackyard.com.au/ducks.html show white bellies and generally dark wings. Not at all clear from the few sites I looked at whether they fly at night or migrate at all in September. (But I'm pretty sure some of the Mexico coastal sightings of playful orbs near resorts are light-bodied, dark-winged bats. Not that the video shows anything like bat movements.)

 

[JMartJr]

I cannot name a mission with those specifics, but I can imagine existing examples. Perhaps more commercial, or even military ones. There is a lot in orbits. Perhaps you are more thinking about communication types?

Nah, not thinking that specifically -- I just googled "triad satellites" and "triangle of satellites" and, iirc, "three satellites," and looked at some pics and videos. Got loose formations. If I'd found a tight formations, it would at least show it is something that exists. Not finding it does not prove that it does NOT exist, of course.

 

[jarlrmai]

It's worth stating again in this thread, ducks and geese etc do not just fly in Vs etc when they migrate, they adopt it even when flying short distances to roost or feed etc.

 

[jdog]

It's worth stating again in this thread, ducks and geese etc do not just fly in Vs etc when they migrate, they adopt it even when flying short distances to roost or feed etc.

For my part, I was thinking of the recurring nature of the sighting.

 

[Peter Godman]

The bird theory must be proven.

Until someone presents some hard science, the object in this video remains unidentified.

 

[Ravi]

@Peter Godman

In the video in post #44, at around 25 seconds, a group of birds pass. If I think away all the birds, and only take in account the front three, it looks quite like the formation as seen in your video..
(@Giddierone also noticed of course)

 

[deirdre]

The bird theory must be proven.

Until someone presents some hard science, the object in this video remains unidentified.

you didnt give any needed data for "hard science" to be performed. ergo its kinda up to you, who has access to needed data, to disprove the hypothesis.

so youre left with checking satellite software sites or checking with your local airports etc to see if maybe military jets were flying home.

if you are able to rule those out you are left with unidentified.

 

[Peter Godman]

@Peter Godman

In the video in post #44, at around 25 seconds, a group of birds pass. If I think away all the birds, and only take in account the front three, it looks quite like the formation as seen in your video..
(@Giddierone also noticed of course)

They dont look anything alike to my eye.

 

[Peter Godman]

you didnt give any needed data for "hard science" to be performed. ergo its kinda up to you, who has access to needed data, to disprove the hypothesis.

so youre left with checking satellite software sites or checking with your local airports etc to see if maybe military jets were flying home.

if you are able to rule those out you are left with unidentified.

the kind of science FatPhil is proposing is the direction

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/an...ilmed-flying-over-my-house.13669/#post-324123

 

[Giddierone]

The bird theory must be proven.

Until someone presents some hard science, the object in this video remains unidentified.

You titled the thread "Anomalous triangular object filmed flying over my house". Can you prove, with hard science, that it's both anomalous, and a triangular object?

 

[NorCal Dave]

The bird theory must be proven.

Until someone presents some hard science, the object in this video remains unidentified.

Yes, and many of us are fine with "unidentified" when presented with something like this. It's a quick bit of "lights" or something that appears as faint lights in night vision, moving quickly for a few seconds.

Sometimes smart people on here can line up things like this with known planes or satellites, sometime people can figure out it's a balloon or a drone. With things like bugs or birds there is no site like FlightRadar24 to identify exactly where they are at any giving time, we just have to make some reasonable speculations. In your case no one is going to suggest Vultures that soar slowly or humming birds that flit about, but ducks do tend to fly like what is seen, so a reasonable speculation.

It may never be proven, or maybe you'll continue to film with the night vision device and manage to get some good ducks at night footage to compare with. But again, unidentified is OK if there just isn't enough data to come to a conclusion.

However, in most cases on here, "unidentified" is presented more as UFO, alien space craft, Russian/Chinese breakthrough technology or other equally unidentified solutions. As I've said before: "Identifying something unidentified as alien, or anything else, is not identifying it. It's unidentified".

Your assertion that the "bird theory must be proven" with "some hard science" would apply to any other solution. And as we're talking about a few seconds of night vision video, that may never happen, so we try to use some reasoned speculation and ideas that fit what is seen and our known world.

 

[JMartJr]

They dont look anything alike to my eye.

Can you explain why not? What looks different to you between the first three lights in :

Source: https://youtu.be/FeMhlhdmLAQ?t=22


and the three in your video:

Source: https://youtu.be/CdkRCbeVgAE?t=34


Not saying you are wrong, I'm just not seeing much difference.

 

[Peter Godman]

You titled the thread "Anomalous triangular object filmed flying over my house". Can you prove, with hard science, that it's both anomalous, and a triangular object?

From your home page, "Metabunk is about debunking specific claims"

It's up to you to prove that this is not anomalous.
Repeating the word ducks over and over is not proof, it creates an echo chamber.

 

[Peter Godman]

Can you explain why not? What looks different to you between the first three lights in :

Not saying you are wrong, I'm just not seeing much difference.

there is a lot of noise in that video which limits comparison
that said, the first 3 birds are spread relative to the object in my video
they also appear to be rapidly flapping wings, this is not seen in my video

 

[JMartJr]

there is a lot of noise in that video which limits comparison
that said, the first 3 birds are spread relative to the object in my video
they also appear to be rapidly flapping wings, this is not seen in my video

Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure I'm seeing it, but I am also aware that I am tired as %$@#@*, getting ready to travel a bit tomorrow and I always sleep poorly leading up to travel. I'll look at it with fresh eyes later on when my brain and eyes are fresher!

PS: Don't get to hung up on hearing lots of people discussing "Is it a duck?" The process here, especially in cases like this video where the video quality is not great and could show a number of things, is to brainstorm a bit and see what happens. If the Duck Hypothesis is fatally flawed, that will become apparent. If the answer is "insufficient data, could be ducks or a drone or aliens or any number of other things," the gang here generally wind sup there -- not as satisfying a conclusion as some other cases, but sometimes that's all that can be done.

(One thing that would help, maybe, is that you mention a second video -- please share that as well, more data is better! If you already did up-thread, I refer you back to my first paragraph, with apologies. ^_^

 

[Peter Godman]

Yes, and many of us ........

All good points.

The object in the video is not unambiguously ducks.

Therefore I prefer to say, "it might be ducks, but it remains unidentified until further evidence is provided."

I am content with that.

 

[NorCal Dave]

It's up to you to prove that this is not anomalous.
Repeating the word ducks over and over is not proof, it creates an echo chamber.

Go back to your video, particularly the last ~5 seconds with the full zoom. Then pause and use the < and > keys to scrub back and forth frame by frame. The 3 objects are constantly changing from almost completely black or gone in some frames to much brighter in others. They also appear to change in position relative to each other.

This does not appear to be a single craft or triangular shaped object with 3 lights affixed to the 3 corners. It appears to be 3 individual objects traveling in a triangular formation. IF that's the case, lots of things can travel in triangular formation from fighter jets to yes, ducks. IF that's the case, a triangular formation may not be common but is not necessarily anomalous.

And no, it's not up to anyone here to "prove" anything. You presented the video and asked for feedback. Giving the limited amount of data, people are doing the best they can. As I noted above, it may likely remain unidentified.

And sorry, but when scrubbing back and forth on the full zoom, it really does look like some sort of flapping around the objects in all the blurry noise.

EDIT: Sorry @Peter Godman, it appears we cross posted.

 

[Peter Godman]

Go back to your video, particularly the last ~5 seconds with the full zoom. Then pause and use the < and > keys to scrub back and forth frame by frame. The 3 objects are constantly changing from almost completely black or gone in some frames to much brighter in others. They also appear to change in position relative to each other.

This does not appear to be a single craft or triangular shaped object with 3 lights affixed to the 3 corners. It appears to be 3 individual objects traveling in a triangular formation. IF that's the case, lots of things can travel in triangular formation from fighter jets to yes, ducks. IF that's the case, a triangular formation may not be common but is not necessarily anomalous.

And no, it's not up to anyone here to "prove" anything. You presented the video and asked for feedback. Giving the limited amount of data, people are doing the best they can. As I noted above, it may likely remain unidentified.

And sorry, but when scrubbing back and forth on the full zoom, it really does look like some sort of flapping around the objects in all the blurry noise.

#63

 

[Peter Godman]

PS: Don't get to hung up on hearing lots of people discussing "Is it a duck?" The process here, especially in cases like this video where the video quality is not great and could show a number of things, is to brainstorm a bit and see what happens.

you mention a second video -- please share that as well, more data is better!

thank you

I dont feel hung up, I am comfortably leaning towards post #63

here is the second video
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLepH0qnGfk

 

[John J.]

It's up to you to prove that this is not anomalous.

Hi Peter, I agree with you that there isn't sufficient evidence to say "...these are ducks" (or anything else for that matter) at this time. But that means the lights are unidentified, not anomalous. Perhaps they're from a tricopter drone, or lights attached to/ suspended from some other UAV. Might be birds!
The fact that your sighting has recurred over your local area might imply a (relatively) local cause.

I think the rule of thumb- in science at least- is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence; the onus is on the claimant to demonstrate that something is anomalous.
There are so many lights, and artefacts carrying lights, in the night skies nowadays that I don't think unidentified lights in themselves can be regarded as evidence of something anomalous as such.

Of course, none of us were present while you were filming, so we can't experience what you perceived, or what conditions were like, then and there. But many (not necessarily all) regular posters here might have a 'default position' that unidentified lights in the sky almost always have a prosaic explanation.

 

[Peter Godman]

I have just noticed something that strongly supports my not ducks thesis

in the second video (post #66) at 0:15 0:22 and 0:31
the position of our "ducks" changes in an un-duck like manner

 

[taurusclover21]

Three lighted objects filmed flying over my house.

FIFY

 

[Peter Godman]

I have to go offsite. I'll reply to comments when I return.

 

[Ann K]

I have just noticed something that strongly supports my not ducks thesis

in the second video (post #66) at 0:15 0:22 and 0:31
the position of our "ducks" changes in an un-duck like manner

What I saw is that the position of the objects changes in an "un-triangle-like" manner, which is exactly what you'd expect from three separate living creatures with the freedom to alter their positions.

 

[Fin]

Nothing about the video is actually inconsistent with birds. The problem is that people make a bunch of assumptions that prematurely rule-out birds, and they're wrong to do so. The misleading & self-sabotaging assumptions usually go as follows:
1- Birds wouldn't be flying that fast (people underestimate the speed birds can achieve and often people are assuming they're higher and further away than the actually are)
2- The formation would change more (Birds can keep a very rigid formation sometimes for a long period. Sometimes they drift around, sometimes they don't)
3- The objects are emitting their own light (birds reflect light more than people realize and this is accentuated all the more on IR/night-vision cams)
All the vids I'll share below are birds.

High speed

This one was infamous at the time it first surfaced in 2008. Many assumed it to be black tech, maybe alien, but definitely an aircraft of some sort. Its birds. Watch how the formation changes subtly, but it absolutely changes. Its not a solid craft. Its birds.

Skip to about halfway through this clip to see one almost identical to the OP video. Same rules apply: Its not actually too fast for birds. They keep a tight formation, but so what.. Birds can do that. So nothing about it is actually inconsistent with birds.

Another tight formation here. As we can see from the video title ("Triangular shape UFO"), this sort of video fools a lot of people, even seasoned photographers.

This one is great. Obviously birds.. but notice how the formation holds its shape relatively well. Still birds though. When we zoom in we can even see some flapping.

We can see the flapping in this video also.. And yet its still been misidentified as a "V-shaped UFO caught on camera" (that's the title of the video).

In summary: Nothing about the OP video is inconsistent with birds. Lots of people make the mistake of prematurely ruling birds out due to the reasons I've already explained above. Studying known videos of birds eventually leads one to witness all the things seen in vids of birds misidentified as UFOs, i.e. They move faster than expected. They sometimes appear self-illuminated but they're actually just reflecting light. They can often hold a tight consistent formation giving the appearance of a solid object when in fact its just birds doing what birds do

 

[deirdre]

the kind of science FatPhil is proposing is the direction

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/an...ilmed-flying-over-my-house.13669/#post-324123

actually Anne was closer in post #39. we know the general size of a duck. we know the speeds ducks are capable of (and of course we'd give leeway for wind helping them along). if you can determine the distance traveled in 10 secs (pixels distance probably). Math isnt really my thing but Mick recently determined such about a balloon going by an airplane.

you cant PROVE it is a duck, but you could theoretically prove it isnt.


edit add: ZW just gave me what i was trying to say...we need "degrees of sky" travel.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

New and Improved; with more contrast and corrected errors. This kind of thing is tough. It's all upside down.

What made it tougher is this misdirection:

Looking south? (Maybe panning south?)

But in this frame the camera is facing just a bit north of west. Constellation of Sagittarius is on our left and Aquilla is on our right. Altair is just out of frame on our right. The lights first appear in this view.

I'm working on identifying the stars in further frames. I want to get this right, though.

But I don't think these lights are moving across all that many degrees of sky.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I've marked the visible part of the teapot asterism of Sagittarius. The spout is missing. How does the lid stay on when the whole thing is upside down?

 

[FatPhil]

white bellies and generally dark wings.

May I diametrically disagree?
I see bright, almost white, wings.
When illuminated.
The ones that are not illuminated are dark, but I'm gonna blame that on the illumination, not the wings.

 

[Peter Godman]

My position remains unchanged, "object unidentified".

Not sure if I will continue to participate. Thanks to all contributors.

 

[jarlrmai]

My position remains unchanged, "object unidentified".

Not sure if I will continue to participate. Thanks to all contributors.

So would you say you've changed your characterisation from object is anomalous?

 

[Ravi]

I have a strong opinion about posters that start to use font 45 (see #68) and in BOLD to make a point.
So I just refrain from posting as it seems OP has already, from the start, made up his mind. No chance in changing his/her mind and it is a waste of my time.

 

[Mendel]

The bird theory must be proven.

Until someone presents some hard science, the object in this video remains unidentified.

Yes.

From your home page, "Metabunk is about debunking specific claims"

It's up to you to prove that this is not anomalous.
Repeating the word ducks over and over is not proof, it creates an echo chamber.

No.

A claim consists of an allegation that some evidence proves something anomalous/unexplainable has happened.

We agree that ducks are a likely (if unproven) explanation.
Hence, your experience/video is no longer unexplainable.

That means it's debunked.
It's not explained, but it is debunked.

It's always nicer to find out what it actually is, but often we don't have enough information to do so. Generally, that happens when an object is in the low information zone (LIZ), when a sensor (like your night vision setup) can see something is there, but not acquire enough data to identify it. (If you could've zoomed in on the dots, you might have seen what they were.) The LIZ does not go away when sensors get better, it just moves further out.

If you take a picture of a duck, it's either
• close by, enough to say "that's a duck", or
• too far to be identified (in the LIZ).
We do have both types of pictures, in abundance.

But no matter how good sensors have gotten, we've never had a [provenanced] close-up of anything truly anomalous. This suggests to me that anomalous phenomena don't exist in the way ducks exist.