saucerpilot
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Video is also available in this reddit post, presumably posted by the same person that authored this thread:
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1fp2rzb/anomalous_triangular_object_filmed_flying_over_my/
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1fp2rzb/anomalous_triangular_object_filmed_flying_over_my/
FatPhil
Senior Member.
That would make the vertical FoV between 21⁰ and 25⁰, for an aspect ratio between 2.00 and 1.65. 720p is 16:9 which is 1.77. So everything checks out.
[EDIT: cosmetic typo cleanup only, it was so late it was early]
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After deleteing his account, Peter emailed me with:
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please add the comment below on my behalf in my most recent thread, I believe it adds value to the conversation
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The Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies have contacted me stating, that without the five observables, "the only thing that we can say for certain is that you captured a craft with a triangular shape." So they are leaning away from birds and satellites and more towards "a craft". They also considered the B2 but were not committed due to lack of detail in the video.
Coincidentally, the B2 stealth bomber has been in Amberley (not far from me); they were due to leave Sept. 17 .... food for thought.
In contrast another investigator I am working with has stated he will calculate the angular velocity and angular size of the object. Apparently of use regarding the "bird theory".
when the video background is darkened and white accentuated,
a fourth light is repeatedly appearing inside the three lights
Trailspotter
Senior Member.
Is it a UFO? Is it a bird? No, it's an aircraft!
I was not able to contribute earlier to this thread as I was on holiday for its first four pages. Although the party appears to be over, I still would like to share some insights on the possible nature of the OP object from my analysis of a different video filmed by the same camera model, SiOnyx Aurora Pro. It is important to understand both capabilities and limitations of this new instrument that gains popularity amongst UAP and ghost hunters.
Here is the link to the video:
Source: https://youtu.be/PgWYyBWUKN0?si=X7p1L2nEi9YncBam&t=65
Unlike the OP videos, it was filmed by a stationary camera pointing to a clear patch of the sky between the horizon and the zenith and contains a continuous piece of footage from 1:05 to 20:15. This footage, corresponding to approximately 90 minutes of real time, has been sped up by about 5x. By superposing the stars in a screenshot with a relevant part of the sky map I deduced FOV of the camera being ~44° horizontally (which is close to the reported value of 42°). From the beginning to the end of the continuous piece of footage the rising stars moved diagonally across the frame by about 22°, hence the elapsed time estimate.
During this interval the sky patch has been criss-crossed by a menagerie of different objects, ranging from satellites and meteors, to aircraft flying at different altitudes, down to birds (and/or bats) and insects. Most of these objects are dots of light: faint or bright, steady or flickering. There are quite a few objects that have more pixels, and at least one of them looks similar to that in the OP video. It appears from 10:32 and has a faint forth light on one side of the triangle of bright lights:
Earlier, at 6:56, the frame was crossed at a different angle by a similar looking object, which is almost certainly an aircraft:
Another strobing aircraft-like object enters the frame at 11:21 with its three light dots being fused together into a Micky Mouse head-like shape, presumably, because it was at higher altitude than the previous one. There are a couple of space craft-looking objects, the larger one at 2:17, below, and the smaller one at 18:48.
Their rectangular "solar panels" are probably camera artefacts:
The 10:32 object is not only similar in shape to that in the OP video, but also would appear to move across the sky with a similar speed if the video footage in this post hadn't been sped up.
All this suggest to me that the OP object is probably a plane. This hypothesis was hastily dismissed in the beginning of the thread, based on the absence of planes above the location at the reported time, according to FR24 playback, but no evidence of the correctness of this time was presented. However, there was a plane a few minutes earlier passing over the location at the beginning of the red arrow.
I downloaded its track from adsbexchange.com and looked at it on Google Earth Pro from a point on the ground located near the beginning of the red arrow and underneath the flight track. The track passes through the right patch of the sky, entering and exiting it at approximately the right points and crossing it in far less than 32 seconds (the interval between two sequential recorded positions of the plane, the first at 09:28:16 was before the entry point, the second at 09:28:48 was well after the exit point),
Notes:
I have started writing this post well before @Mick West posted the final comment of the original poster above.
I was not able to contribute earlier to this thread as I was on holiday for its first four pages. Although the party appears to be over, I still would like to share some insights on the possible nature of the OP object from my analysis of a different video filmed by the same camera model, SiOnyx Aurora Pro. It is important to understand both capabilities and limitations of this new instrument that gains popularity amongst UAP and ghost hunters.
Here is the link to the video:
Source: https://youtu.be/PgWYyBWUKN0?si=X7p1L2nEi9YncBam&t=65
Unlike the OP videos, it was filmed by a stationary camera pointing to a clear patch of the sky between the horizon and the zenith and contains a continuous piece of footage from 1:05 to 20:15. This footage, corresponding to approximately 90 minutes of real time, has been sped up by about 5x. By superposing the stars in a screenshot with a relevant part of the sky map I deduced FOV of the camera being ~44° horizontally (which is close to the reported value of 42°). From the beginning to the end of the continuous piece of footage the rising stars moved diagonally across the frame by about 22°, hence the elapsed time estimate.
During this interval the sky patch has been criss-crossed by a menagerie of different objects, ranging from satellites and meteors, to aircraft flying at different altitudes, down to birds (and/or bats) and insects. Most of these objects are dots of light: faint or bright, steady or flickering. There are quite a few objects that have more pixels, and at least one of them looks similar to that in the OP video. It appears from 10:32 and has a faint forth light on one side of the triangle of bright lights:
Earlier, at 6:56, the frame was crossed at a different angle by a similar looking object, which is almost certainly an aircraft:
Another strobing aircraft-like object enters the frame at 11:21 with its three light dots being fused together into a Micky Mouse head-like shape, presumably, because it was at higher altitude than the previous one. There are a couple of space craft-looking objects, the larger one at 2:17, below, and the smaller one at 18:48.
Their rectangular "solar panels" are probably camera artefacts:
The 10:32 object is not only similar in shape to that in the OP video, but also would appear to move across the sky with a similar speed if the video footage in this post hadn't been sped up.
All this suggest to me that the OP object is probably a plane. This hypothesis was hastily dismissed in the beginning of the thread, based on the absence of planes above the location at the reported time, according to FR24 playback, but no evidence of the correctness of this time was presented. However, there was a plane a few minutes earlier passing over the location at the beginning of the red arrow.
I downloaded its track from adsbexchange.com and looked at it on Google Earth Pro from a point on the ground located near the beginning of the red arrow and underneath the flight track. The track passes through the right patch of the sky, entering and exiting it at approximately the right points and crossing it in far less than 32 seconds (the interval between two sequential recorded positions of the plane, the first at 09:28:16 was before the entry point, the second at 09:28:48 was well after the exit point),
Notes:
I have started writing this post well before @Mick West posted the final comment of the original poster above.
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John J.
Senior Member.
I think it's relevant that footage taken using another SiOnyx Aurora Pro, posted by @Trailspotter above, captures small formations of lights/ 'triangles' similar to the OPs.
It must be unlikely that this instrument is uniquely able to capture footage of alien craft/ stealth bombers or hypothetical Aurora recce planes (despite its name), more likely some types of light sources are loaned a brightness that might not be apparent to the naked eye by some function of the camera.
It must be unlikely that this instrument is uniquely able to capture footage of alien craft/ stealth bombers or hypothetical Aurora recce planes (despite its name), more likely some types of light sources are loaned a brightness that might not be apparent to the naked eye by some function of the camera.
jimmyslippin
Senior Member
I'd say all the Youtube junk wasn't helping you out. I was able to get a really clean match from the initial star field seen in the "25 Sept -- Anomalous triangular object..." video after downloading it and then taking a snapshot using VLC.
Source: astrometry.net
Here's the initial star field from the "Birds -- 29 Sept 2024" video.
Source: astrometry.net
jimmyslippin
Senior Member
Indeed it is.
According to astrometry.net and the two images in my post above, the FOV is 44.6 x 25.1 deg at the start of the "anomalous" object video, and 46.1 x 25.9 deg as the start of the "birds" video.
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jimmyslippin
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Z.W. Wolf
Senior Member.
Thanks. Out of curiosity, can you get astrometry.net to recognize any of the subsequent views/frames of the Sept. 25th video? I used clean VLC screen captures, used different adjustments of brightness and contrast. Couldn't get any results no matter what I tried.I'd say all the Youtube junk wasn't helping you out. I was able to get a really clean match from the initial star field seen in the "25 Sept -- Anomalous triangular object..." video after downloading it and then taking a snapshot using VLC.
Source: astrometry.net
Here's the initial star field from the "Birds -- 29 Sept 2024" video.
Source: astrometry.net
Z.W. Wolf
Senior Member.
The problem I had with the plane explanation wasn't limited to the lack of evidence for a plane passing over at that time:
-The lights are too dim in relation to dim stars.
-Why can't we see flashing navigation lights?
-The lights change relative position to one another late in the video. They look like independent objects.
Z.W. Wolf
Senior Member.
This is the first time I've looked at the star fields in this video.
My tentative ideas about this.
In the Sept. 25th video I think he was holding the camera vertically with the left frame more or less parallel to the horizon.
In this video he seems to have been holding the camera vertically, with the right frame more or less parallel to the horizon. Which is why the birds enter from the top of the frame in this video while they enter from the bottom of the frame in the Sept. 25th video. But these birds are following much the same path as the lights in the earlier video. They seem to be coming from a bit E of N rather than the NW this time.
As Astrometry.net tells us, they pass through Aquarius and Capricornus. And then continue on through Grus again. I recognize that strange southern constellation now.
I may change my mind on details when I get more into it.
Z.W. Wolf
Senior Member.
Right away they've blown their credibility. (Or more likely the one guy who is responding has.)
The only thing that can be said for sure is that there are three illuminated objects and/or three light sources. The "craft with a triangular shape" is an assumption. A UFO Buff trope.
"Assumptive lens" - This term suggests a specific, biased perspective through which an in-group interprets information.
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Trailspotter
Senior Member.
My strongest argument for the plane explanation is that it accounts for both observed trajectory and angular speed of the object. By trial and error I have found a better location underneath the flight path of VH-SAJ, from which the aircraft's track matches well the object's path amongst the stars. I also downloaded its flight track from a different online tracker, FlightAware. The shapes of both tracks are practically identical, but their datapoints are recorded at different times. Combining the two tracks together resulted in shorter intervals between the sequential datapoints. The 10-second path of the object is within a 13-second interval of the aircraft flight (approximate positions of the object relative the stars are shown with yellow dots and marked with the times it passes through them in OP video).
The deduced camera location was in the area graphically indicated by PG in this and another tread. The aircraft had already descended to ~4000 ft and was banking toward the final approach to the main Brisbane Airport, BNE/YBBN. At this altitude its angular size was about 1.5°, that is more than enough to accommodate the object's three lights, whose combined angular size is less than 0.5°. Banking of the aircraft can explain changes of their relative positions.
As for the relative dimness of lights and lack of flashing, I would not consider these being strong arguments against the plane explanation. Your a priori expectations may or may not apply to this model of night vision camera. Compared to modern daytime cameras used by bird watchers and plane spotters, it has a mediocre focus distance and sacrifices resolution for sensitivity. We need more videos of planes, birds and other identified flying objects at a great range of altitudes to gain more experience with this camera. In the video I presented above, not every aircraft-looking object is flashing. Comparative brightness of objects and other features may depend on camera setting, on whether they are stationary or fast moving etc. It also may depend on whether the camera is fixed or in motion. Apart of motion blur, following a fast moving object tends to distort the background (due to rolling shutter effect) that might be a reason of the failure of Astrometry to recognise the stars in the middle of the video.
I am confident that the object was an aircraft, but VH-SAJ is not the only candidate. A few more planes passed over the area in a short period of time before and after it, following essentially the same turn toward the Brisbane Airport. Perhaps their flight tracks also can be projected on the star path of the OP object from different camera locations within the same area, but I didn't try this.
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Mendel
Senior Member.
Using to 10s/60⁰ data from the video, the speed computes to ~140 knots, which is reasonable for an approach speed.
jarlrmai
Senior Member.
I found this reference of birds captured on a Sionyx camera
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=fFKTzEiWEkQ
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=fFKTzEiWEkQ
