1. GregMc

    GregMc Senior Member



    South pole flight 1968 at 20:11

    Bad-Ass B48 Hustler in 1950-60s leaving a contrail and contrail shadow
    at 2:46

    BTW, this one will excite the conspiracy theorists:
    Recruiting all chemtrail pilots! Everybody sing: "Making a trail in the sky, making a gale way up high"
     
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  3. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    Screen Shot 2014-02-27 at 10.45.00 AM.
     
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  4. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    Not a photograph but a description of ground level persistent contrail (ice fog) from the book Song of the Sky by Guy Murchie circa. 1954


    songofthesky.

    I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this post, but I thought it was a good reference and didn't know where else to put it.
     
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  5. The_Gobbledok

    The_Gobbledok New Member

    those two videos dont show any persistent contrails
     
  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Maybe not, but they do show some nice thick trails, photos of which are often used as "evidence" by some chemtrail theorists, like:
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  7. GregMc

    GregMc Senior Member

    A fine finish to this 1959 PanAm promo film

    Check out 23:29

    And Delta Airlines

    Nice trails at 1:44
     
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  10. vooke

    vooke Active Member

    The London sky following a bombing and dogfight between British and German planes in 1940
    [​IMG]
     
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  12. vooke

    vooke Active Member

    Mick,
    What spin do Contrail CTers give for the overwhelming evidence of ancient Contrails?
     
  13. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Either that they are fake, or that old engines were different, and made smoke, or had water injection.
     
  14. Belfrey

    Belfrey Senior Member

    Saw this come up on the Global Skywatch page, apparently posted by a chemtrails believer.
    PetersonGuide1.
    I guess he has the first edition of this book from 1991 (a second was published in 1998). The text is as follows (note: the mammatus subclassification is also mentioned):
    PetersonGuide2.
     
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  16. Mick West

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    This was mentioned earlier, but I just watched it today, coincidentally.

    The Boys From Brazil, 1978 (at about 1:05:00)
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  17. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    CUJO 1983 California:

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  18. Gridlock

    Gridlock Active Member

    Screen Shot 2014-07-10 at 19.39.32. Is there a place for documentation demonstrating persistant contrails?

    I'm thinking of eg http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a111876.pdf from 1981, but there's stuff going back to at least the early 50s.

    Obviously the source is 'in on it' but there's so much academic stuff out there it deserves collation? I probably missed the right thread...
     
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  19. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    maybe add date to the post "September 1981" .. a lot of people don't click on links ;)
     
  20. GregMc

    GregMc Senior Member

    [​IMG]
     
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  21. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    Holy "chemtrails" Batman....you mean they've been spraying since the 60s??

    Yes, Robin...it appears so...Quick! to the Batcave to get our vinegar atomizer to stop these evil-doers.

    (sorry couldnt resist :)



     
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  22. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    I was just watching the final episode of Michael Palin's Around the World in 80 Days, filmed in 1988, and there were several nice contrails. The most obvious came right near the end over London, it crossed the entire sky. I'll try to track down a screenshot, but if anyone has it on DVD it is when he is on Oxford Street almost at the end of his journey.
     
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    Disneyland 1987
    (Tagged 1969, but description puts it at 1987)
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  28. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    I am at my in-laws at the moment and found this on their bookshelf. Hard to tell for certain but that looks like a contrail (just above the distant mountains) on the cover of a book published in 1963. It also has mention of those "new" cloud types such as cirrus uncinus, and photos of halos etc. No specific mention of contrails that I could find, though.

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  31. Trailblazer

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    I've managed to find an online copy of the relevant episode. This segment was filmed in London on December 12, 1988.

    palin. palin2.
     
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  32. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Jul 24 1963, Los Angeles Times, "SAC Jets Put Halt on 'Cleopatra'"

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    Must have been quite persistent if they had to wait long enough for it to make the news.

    This is probably a similar region to where they filmed Spartacus
     
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    1936 Paris
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  36. Ellsworth

    Ellsworth Member

    Wow, loads! Thanks for all that guys!

    My purpose in buying an old VHS copy secondhand is because it will have a manufacturing date on it, and it will be from a private individual, it will be a material object rather than a web image, and it cannot have been easily altered in the past. And if people say the individual item has been altered, fine, buy another copy. The current response to showing the Internet images above to chemtrail people is that someone brings up the Virgin Train advert, saying everything has been altered to make it look as if the trails were in the past, they never really were (altering history). However even this has been explained very well here https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...-footage-reused-in-modern-advertisement.2545/

    So it is quite interesting, when one finds stuff on the Internet that does a debunk, the evidence is ignored because of little things like this. But yet the only evidence of chemtrails is by internet stories, which have already been debunked here. But, hardened chemtrail people do not come here, because they think @Mick West is in the pay of the conspirators. My argument here is that you need to know your "enemy", not hide from him,

    I suppose I am targeting the people caught up in the "others say so, so it must be true" group rather than people who are actually occulting the truth by creating these videos. They know what they are doing, and are drawing energy from the situation, be it in Facebook likes like naughty Chris here ;), or in advertising revenue. Or, just for the sociopathic pleasure of manipulating others. Just like sheep really
     
  37. Debra

    Debra Member

    Contrails - scaring Adelaide since 1948. I wonder if any of the chemtrail believers have asked their parents/grandparents what they remember from the early days of high altitude flights.

    Adelaide_1948.JPG Adelaide_1948_2.JPG
     
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  38. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    I just found this in the archive of The Times from 1989. So the mainstream media was talking about persistent contrails, and their impact on cloud formation and climate, 25 years ago.

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    Citation: The Times (London, England), Saturday, January 14, 1989; pg. 48; Issue 63291.

    The author was Bill Burroughs.
     
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  39. Trailblazer

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    More goodies from the Times archive.

    This exchange of letters is from 1944: an early sighting of halos in contrails.

    upload_2014-10-14_18-42-23.

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  40. Trailblazer

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    And another one. Unfortunately the scans are pretty poor, but persistent contrails preceding a depression are specifically mentioned in the cirro-stratus section. This is from The Sunday Times, August 28 1977.

    upload_2014-10-14_18-59-13.
    upload_2014-10-14_18-59-41.
     
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