1. hemi

    hemi Active Member

    From the HBO film Bobby Fischer against the World - a teenaged Bobby (so presumably in the late 50s?) boarding a Sabena plane, with a nice contrail overhead.

    bobby.

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    (Not very clear from the slightly lossy screen-grabs -- anyone with a better version can find the clip at around the 14m mark in the film).
     
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  2. Mick West

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  3. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Here's some reaction to the "five guys" photo from the chemtrail crowd:

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  4. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    So interesting that, when confronted by evidence that their claims of recent changes in contrail persistence is bunk, the claim simply adapts and survives unscathed, rather than reassess contradictory information and accept that they were wrong.
     
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  6. PCWilliams

    PCWilliams Active Member

    At the same time making it worse for themselves. Instead of me making fun of them for not having any real tangible evidence in the 15 years chemtrails have been sprayed (since about 1997), now they have to explain why no tangible evidence has been gathered in 70 years.
     
  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The mark of a good conspiracy theory is how well it can adapt to new circumstances.

    Alfred Webre has this down - he makes predictions, and then claims, in advance, that there are multiple time-lines, and his prediction will only happen in some of them. So if it does not happen for you, then you were simply in the wrong (or the right) time line.

    And speaking of the Farnborough air show, this is from the early 1950s:

    http://www.vickersviscount.net/Pages_History/The_Turboprop_World-Beater_VISCOUNT.aspx
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  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Some more Spartacus production photos from 1959. The large battle scenes were filmed near Madrid in Spain, but some outdoor scenes were filmed in Thousand Oaks, near Los Angeles, California.

    http://life.time.com/culture/rare-never-seen-spartacus-at-50/?iid=lb-gal-viewagn#1

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    The following is sometimes presented as a scene from Spartacus (above), however I think it's also a production photo, as this shot does not seem to appear in the film (the scene and setting does - it's just before the famous "I'm Spartacus" bit, but there's no shot like this). It also seems to have been contrast enhanced.

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    Looking at a poor copy of the film, I was unable to see any contrails in it at all. Perhaps they were removed in later versions.

    The actual scene appears to have been shot in-studio, with a stormy painted sky.
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    Aha, found a contrail in the actual film. During "I'm Spartacus" scene
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  9. Belfrey

    Belfrey Senior Member

    I ran into this in a Newsvine discussion. A believer challenged me to find "videos or pictures of giant x patterns and checkerboard" patterns from before the 90s. I posted some, thanks in large part to Mick's websites. His response: "I will give you credit on this one. I suspected that chemtrials may have been going on for much longer than the early 1990's, but they may have been less frequent and most people were not paying attention."
     
  10. Tim TheToolman Coles

    Tim TheToolman Coles Active Member

    I have not been at this as long as some of you, and most things I find, I then find out you have already found them. LOL.. That is great, but here is my small contribution, Not very clear, as it was scanned. (The text also clearly discusses persistence in the description)

    ColourGuide_1963.
    From : Richard Scorer & Harry Wexler A Colour Guide to Clouds Pergamon Press 1963 (#36, Page 44) as seen at this link: http://archive.org/stream/AColourGui...e/n25/mode/2up

     
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  11. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I've got that book, it's a handy pocket sized book to have when talking to chemtrail theorists.
     
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  13. Spongebob

    Spongebob Active Member

    Brotherhood of Justice contrail. Brotherhood of Justice .

    1986 film (I just watched again) persistent contrail - broken too if you look at the trail further back...
     
  14. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    Here's another example of the chemtrail conspiracy theory adapting to contradictory evidence.

    Conspiracy theorists have spent years arguing that persistent contrails were not seen before the mid 90's. Thoroughly debunking that claim does nothing to the conspiracy. It survives by incorporating the new information. Here we see Scott Stevens "weatherman" reconciling the discrepancy by claiming chemtrails have been around since the mid 70's. (Taken from his talk at the Consciousness Beyond Chemtrails conference.)


    Chem1976.


    Then Scott goes even further. As if to prevent the chemtrail conspiracy from being limited by any time line what so ever, Scott surmises that chemtails could date back 100 years!


     
  15. Charlie Primero

    Charlie Primero Active Member

    I had no idea this was a meme until today when I saw this on a forum...

    I'm trying to set it up so I can receive some kind of prize for winning the challenge. :)

    Bitcoins perhaps.
     
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  16. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    He actually said that because just a few hours earlier I'd shown him the 1905 book Cloud Studies, and he immediately started noticing patterns in the clouds there too. It was quite astonishing the speed with which he incorporated this new information into his theory - literally seconds. Like he though this showed some kind of evidence of manipulation because of the three "square holes":
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  17. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    I see. So you admit perpetuating the chemtrail myth. :)
     
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  19. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    technically its the Tetons with the Snake River in front...:)

    But great shot.
     
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  20. GregMc

    GregMc Senior Member

    I wonder how he'd deal with old documents like these then?

    Oldillustration Cloudstreets.

    Here are a few pics I collected to help out a fellow who said Long clouds, mares tails and cirrus didn't exist in the past and any wavy clouds or mackerel sky were evidence of haarp etc:

    http://ia700407.us.archive.org/16/items/cu31924002961203/cu31924002961203.pdf
    http://www.antiqueprints.com/images/af3/f3158.jpg
    http://www.antiqueprints.com/images/af9/f9456.jpg
    http://www.antiqueprints.com/images/af9/f9761.jpg


    http://www.antiqueprints.com/images/ag3/g3736.jpg


    http://www.antiqueprints.com/images/af9/f9455.jpg
    http://books.google.com.au/books?id...&resnum=5&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
    http://www.antiqueprints.com/images/ag3/g3638.jpg
    http://www.antiqueprints.com/images/ag3/g3641.jpg








    http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/A1401875/A1401875169.jpg
    http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/A1401875/A1401875167.jpg


    http://www.prints-4-u.com/store/image2/P1560870/P1560870084.jpg balloon


    http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/A1401875/A1401875147.jpg


    http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/A1401875/A1401875146.jpg
    http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/N1360874/N1360874205.jpg


    http://www.rmets.org/cloudbank/detail.php?ID=924


    http://astrobob.areavoices.com/astrobob/images/thumbnail/Meteorsforblog.jpg
    http://willschrimshaw.net/images/FLI/stormcloud2.jpg
    http://willschrimshaw.net/images/FLI/stormcloud1.jpg
    http://longstreet.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83542d51e69e20120a7d5b498970b-500wi
    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/81...733724BAD9A53724B4B771468BD06EC5AB46E1664D235
    http://www.askart.com/AskART/photos/LEL20071201_4614/423.jpg
    http://images.rmets.org/cloudbank/rmets070511185620.jpg
    http://thewildwood.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/llbean-weather-3.jpg?w=500&h=409


    http://www.ssplprints.com/lowres/43/main/50/129400.jpg
    http://smcoulman.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/dt1401.jpg
    http://www.windows2universe.org/art_and_music/cloud_art/images/4_monet_A.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Z7VYcC8u...s400/claude_Monet_Red_Boats_at_Argenteuil.jpg
    http://kkyriakopoulou.files.wordpre...-magyar-nemzeti-galeria-budapest-hungary1.jpg
     
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  21. Mick West

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  22. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    Since we are adding pictures today...

    I have a soft spot for this one- not only because it has multiple contrails, shadows and a sundog...but it is the first Pre-1990 picture I found when challenged to do so many yrs ago...I have oft used it as evidence. Its been called fake, doctored, the photographer's background called into question etc...but in the end its just a great picture of persistent, spreading contrails from 1983:

    http://www.1000plus.com/Imagic/8301sund.htm

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    "Parhelic Arc, Sun Dog, and Contrail Shadows" - chaotic sky, Lake Norman, NC - January, 1983

    Canonet G3-QL, Ektachrome 200
     
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  25. PCWilliams

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  26. Charlie Primero

    Charlie Primero Active Member

    I did not expect this.

    Chemtrail promoters moved the goalposts on me. A challenge was issued to find pre-1990 chemtrail footage. I accepted.

    I was then told that the evidence could only come from VHS tapes of old movies because The Powers That Be are dumping old movies onto download sites with chemtrails added with Photoshop. I'm a Conspiracy Theorist, but that exceeded my tolerance for silliness.

    I was then told that old photographs were not evidence because they sometimes contain contrails. When I asked how one tells the difference between chemtrails and contrails in old photographs, I was told "The same way you do when they are above your head. If you don't understand the question you won't recognize the answer."

    I don't understand what that means. I guess this is a waste of time.
     
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  27. Danny55

    Danny55 Member

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    Some obvious persistent contrails can be seen during the scene on the dam in the 1978 movie ''The Boys From Brazil''. For more movie contrails see also;
    ''Strategic Air Command'' 1955.
    ''The Misfits'' 1961.
    ''Cheyenne Autumn'' 1964.
    ''Rooster Cogburn'' 1975.
    ''Death Race 2000'' 1975.
     
  29. Spongebob

    Spongebob Active Member

    Superman IV: The Quest for Peace 1987:

    Superman-4.

    From his speech at the end of the film...

    (a very shit film btw) :p
     
  30. cloudspotter

    cloudspotter Senior Member


    Definition of irony:

    Yesterday Antinazi Aristotle on facebook claimed never to have seen sun dogs before 2001. Aristotle described sun dogs in Meteorology Book III in 350 BC. :D
     
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  31. Danny55

    Danny55 Member

    Well, now that the chemtrail believers say that spraying was going on as far back as 1982, why did none of them see it before 1998-2000??

    All they had to do was..... "Look up!"
     
  32. Spongebob

    Spongebob Active Member

    I was just going to make that exact comment, honest! :D
     
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  34. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Sorry, forgot to leave the counter numbers on this video, from about 21:55 to about 23:07.Thanks

    Joe
     
  35. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks Joe. I'd just skimmed it and added those two images to your post - there's quite a few but that time range has the best shots

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    I stitched together a couple to get this panorama:
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  36. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    Hey, there must have been lots of spraying going on over Hollywood sets, then, as now. Thanks
     
  37. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I suspect that was filmed in the Santa Monica Mountains, like "Have Gun Will Travel" and possibly Spartacus
     
  38. Danny55

    Danny55 Member

    "I was just going to make that exact comment, honest! :D"

    "Great minds" or "Fools" ?

    Shall we have a vote??
     
  39. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    Contrails visible in the movie "Patton". Don't have the clip but the scene is the conversation between Patton and Bradley just after the "tank traffic cop" scene. "Patton" was shot circa 1969.
     
  40. GregMc

    GregMc Senior Member