Kristen Meghan, former US Air Force whistle-blower?

[George B]

Those sorts of questions seem to be of no particular interest to Meghan or other chemtrail believers.

Yes . . . because the observations may threaten the dot connecting in their belief in their unified theory of what is wrong with the world . . . if one piece of the conspiracy theory is challenged the whole house of cards could fall. . .

 

[Mick West]

govsks questions moved to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/govsks-chemtrail-questiions.3045/

 

[Balance]

Seems the talk has been revised. Guess who gets a (critical but) solid mention ~17:30mins ?

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=AEF1F19C4AB1D064ECFDF66B39DFA1FA

I get the impression this is the "test kit" sales pitch mentioned in the fake snow debunking video.

 

[Mick West]

Seems the talk has been revised. Guess who gets a (critical but) solid mention ~17:30mins ?

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=AEF1F19C4AB1D064ECFDF66B39DFA1FA

Me. I don't think that's new though.

(And yet again for the record, I'm not a shill of any kind, and nobody pays me or encourages me to do this)

 

[mrfintoil]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/163334/Chemtrails_finally_proven_by_whistleblower/

07:23

I suggest that you go to Geoengineeringwatch.org (*cough* pardon me, chemtrails), because that is the most reputable site [...] that's the best way to get information.

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Anyone that endorse Geoengineeringwatch.org as "reputable" does not know much about science.

 

[Balance]

Me. I don't think that's new though.

(And yet again for the record, I'm not a shill of any kind, and nobody pays me or encourages me to do this)

Sorry if it was already posted/linked to, she said somethings in that vid I'd not recognised before. Specifically naming both sites and your name together with those allegations and the bit about emailing her directly to arrange sample testing (and possibly garner other undisclosed info?).

Of course, I see no reason to believe her allegations about you. Certainly nothing I've seen/read from Kristen!

 

[Buildy]

I don't think that's new though.

Nope, not new. That was there originally.

 

[Hama Neggs]

Me. I don't think that's new though.

(And yet again for the record, I'm not a shill of any kind, and nobody pays me or encourages me to do this)

*I* encourage you to do this! I guess that makes you my stooge! Now, TYPE FASTER, dammit!

 

[Mick West]

Nope, not new. That was there originally.

She has given different talks though.

 

[Buildy]

She has given different talks though.

I thought that @Balance was mentioning this exact "talk." My mistake.

 

[Balance]

I thought that @Balance was mentioning this exact "talk." My mistake.

I was, must be the only one here that hadn't seen that specific one before lol.

 

[DoktorSleepless]

She says she public speaks for a living at 6:40. I thought she said she didn't get paid to do any of this.

 

[juststoppingby]

I would be curious to see what she could make as a "professional" speaker . . . seems there would need to be a minimum market to exploit . . . don't think it is sufficient enough to support her and many others . . . her appeal as the present darling of chemtrails will only last a while . . . so she must take advantage of it while she is a hot item . . .

I think the speaking fees would be nominal, the real money is in the lab testing - $50 a pop. Her sales pitch starts around 19:00 I think.

 

[George B]

I think the speaking fees would be nominal, the real money is in the lab testing - $50 a pop. Her sales pitch starts around 19:00 I think.

Hmmmm . . . for that to be a motivation the lab facilities would have to have a contractual relationship with her and truly benefit from significant volume of increased work generated (people just don't rush out and start testing) . . . doubt that is possible also because of the diverse areas where she has presented . . . don't think environmental labs have a national chain like Burger King either . . .

 

[Balance]

She's not the only one promoting these tests though. I saw at least two sites that compiles these tests into a pinned google map.

 

[Trigger Hippie]

She's not the only one promoting these tests though. I saw at least two sites that compiles these tests into a pinned google map.

I remember seeing that pinned google maps page before. Do you have a link, I can't seem to find it anymore.


Never mind found it. http://www.chemtrailsproject.com/

So it's $49 plus shipping. Let's say the actual lab cost for doing the test is $25 (it' probably more). According to the map it looks like they sold about 70 kits to date. I'm fairly sure they've been selling these things for at least one year.

$1700 profit a year is not much. They've also posted a disclaimer.

The owners of this site are making ZERO profit and and donating their time and money toward the cause.
The results will be posted on the map as soon as we get them.
Thank you for doing your part to help save the future of our planet and our children! For only $49, you can purchase a kit and we'll get it sent out to you for testing right away.
The cost of shipping your kit to the lab for analysis is NOT included.

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@juststoppingby I believe Infowars, Ickes, and the other big players are making money promoting all conspiracies, I don't see these chemtrail guys making much.

 

[Hama Neggs]

The entire chemtrail movement is based on little other than false implications. They go on and on about "testing" but if they actually do the testing and compare the results to norms, it would show nothing wrong.

 

[Balance]

I remember seeing that pinned google maps page before. Do you have a link, I can't seem to find it anymore.

Sorry, I don't. I do recall having a quick look at some of the (admittedly sparse number) submissions and noted nothing extraordinary.

UPDATE after a quick google
Here's one http://www.chemtrailsprojectuk.com/evidence/rainwater-test-kit-results-map/

another http://www.chemtrailsproject.com/

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Sorry, I don't. I do recall having a quick look at some of the (admittedly sparse number) submissions and noted nothing extraordinary.

UPDATE after a quick google
Here's one http://www.chemtrailsprojectuk.com/evidence/rainwater-test-kit-results-map/

another http://www.chemtrailsproject.com/

Here is an average of samples (aluminum 484 ug/L) presented by Dane Wigington's site:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-shasta-snow-and-water-aluminum-tests.137/page-2#post-15622

In July of 2012, I tallied the Chemtrails Project mapped samples, here was the result (average aluminum 890 ug/L):

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/chemtrails-project.557/#post-11066

For comparison, aluminum levels found in rain and snow during 1967 were a high of 1120, a low of 520 and an average of 800 ug/L:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/135-Chemical-Composition-of-rain-and-snow

 

[Mick West]

I think the speaking fees would be nominal, the real money is in the lab testing - $50 a pop. Her sales pitch starts around 19:00 I think.

You don't want to be accusing her of shilling without some solid evidence though. She may just be a true-believer who got a bit carried along.

 

[David Fraser]

Hmmmm . . . for that to be a motivation the lab facilities would have to have a contractual relationship with her and truly benefit from significant volume of increased work generated (people just don't rush out and start testing) . . . doubt that is possible also because of the diverse areas where she has presented . . . don't think environmental labs have a national chain like Burger King either . . .

I don't understand what you mean. You tell a lab what you want to test, you pay for it, they give you a container, you take sample and put in container, post or take in sample, a week later get results.

It really is simple. Labs do single samples all the time and I would hazard for some it is a good side line.

 

[George B]

I don't understand what you mean. You tell a lab what you want to test, you pay for it, they give you a container, you take sample and put in container, post or take in sample, a week later get results.

It really is simple. Labs do single samples all the time and I would hazard for some it is a good side line.

The proposition was: she is doing the public speaking to generate business for testing laboratories . . . that I think is a real stretch . . . that would mean a lab or chain of labs was willing to pay her good money to travel all over and convince her listeners to order enough additional tests to generate enough profit for them to pay her salary and expenses . . . I don't think it plausible . . . because the number of people she speaks in front of is small and her ability to convince some to do testing is smaller . . . the profit from which might buy her a good meal . . . if that . . .

 

[Critical Thinker]

Someone ought to look into what Kristen charges for speaking to an audience and what conditions they would stipulate to (ie... No audience questions).

 

[George B]

Someone ought to look into what Kristen charges for speaking to an audience.

Interesting question? . . . but might have to be gotten by acting as though one was interested in inviting her to speak . . . something I would feel uncomfortable in doing . . .

 

[Balance]

She does public speaking as a living, I believe one of her quotes was/is.
In the fake snow thread, I posted a video from a confessed chemmie debunking the fake snow theory and I noted he mentioned if you go to naturalnews site, there is a USAF whistleblower that you can contact to buy sampling kits from.
A day or so later I come across a naturalnews posted video of Kristen (presumably public speaking for money) promoting people contact her directly to buy sampling kits.

I know it's speculation but it does seem personal profit is a motive. It is not evidence of shilling but when we see there is a chemtrail/geoengineering conspiracy business model also being promoted, you do wonder. Mick is quite correct to warn of speculating without proof but the evidence is in that direction imo.

Come to think of it, I don't think I've seen any chemtrail conspiracy site that doesn't ask for money, either through indirect/direct sales or requests for donations but I could be wrong.

 

[George B]

She does public speaking as a living, I believe one of her quotes was/is.
In the fake snow thread, I posted a video from a confessed chemmie debunking the fake snow theory and I noted he mentioned if you go to naturalnews site, there is a USAF whistleblower that you can contact to buy sampling kits from.
A day or so later I come across a naturalnews posted video of Kristen (presumably public speaking for money) promoting people contact her directly to buy sampling kits.

I know it's speculation but it does seem personal profit is a motive. It is not evidence of shilling but when we see there is a chemtrail/geoengineering conspiracy business model also being promoted, you do wonder. Mike is quite correct to warn of speculating without proof but the evidence is in that direction imo.

I would not be surprised that she might recommend a testing kit where she may get a commission for the purchase made through her recommendation, etc if such connection can be tracked . . . but that is different IMO from a testing company paying her a salary and expenses for speaking . . .

 

[Mick West]

I would not be surprised that she might recommend a testing kit where she may get a commission for the purchase made through her recommendation, etc if such connection can be tracked . . . but that is different IMO from a testing company paying her a salary and expenses for speaking . . .

And even that has tenuous evidence. She might simply be telling people where to find a lab.

 

[Balance]

I would not be surprised that she might recommend a testing kit where she may get a commission for the purchase made through her recommendation, etc if such connection can be tracked . . . but that is different IMO from a testing company paying her a salary and expenses for speaking . . .

Agreed but where was it speculated she was shilling for a lab/company? Sorry if I missed it but I didn't see that inference.

And even that has tenuous evidence. She might simply be telling people where to find a lab.

Also agreed but it's the fact she tells people to email her directly (as opposed to put people in contact with those already set up to provide the kits) that I believe she's set herself up as a direct source. Speculation of course. DELETEd

 

[George B]

This is the Post . . . Oops it didn 't work on my IPhone . . . see below

Now that I look at it again I probably misunderstood the Post . . . it didn't imply she was being paid to speak as much as it was her pushing testing . . .

I would be curious to see what she could make as a "professional" speaker . . . seems there would need to be a minimum market to exploit . . . don't think it is sufficient enough to support her and many others . . . her appeal as the present darling of chemtrails will only last a while . . . so she must take advantage of it while she is a hot item . . .

I think the speaking fees would be nominal, the real money is in the lab testing - $50 a pop. Her sales pitch starts around 19:00 I think.
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[Balance]

I got ya. I read it to be just comparing speaking fees vs kit sales, inferring the latter would bring more income.

 

[juststoppingby]

why would she request a personal email instead of just spelling out the website of a lab to contact? The whole "glass jar" thing to me sounded a bit too much. I mean, if she wanted to send specific instructions about exactly how to collect the sample and transport it properly, she didn't have to mention specifics about the jar? It just felt like a sales pitch to me... Who is to say she will even test the sample and not just print out a generic result page with technical jargon that satisfies the customer. I'm pretty sure my dad has already emailed her and will probably be sending her lab samples etc.. he fits the profile of her target market I guess. It just bothers me. I feel like he's being taken advantage of because of his wacky penchant for conspiracy theories. Sorry if I may be accusing her of shilling with absolutely no evidence to support this - yet.. I don't have any. She is reaching alot of people though. That conference was on long island and my dad lives thousands of miles away. That video has over 30k hits already.

 

[George B]

why would she request a personal email instead of just spelling out the website of a lab to contact? The whole "glass jar" thing to me sounded a bit too much. I mean, if she wanted to send specific instructions about exactly how to collect the sample and transport it properly, she didn't have to mention specifics about the jar? It just felt like a sales pitch to me... Who is to say she will even test the sample and not just print out a generic result page with technical jargon that satisfies the customer. I'm pretty sure my dad has already emailed her and will probably be sending her lab samples etc.. he fits the profile of her target market I guess. It just bothers me. I feel like he's being taken advantage of because of his wacky penchant for conspiracy theories. Sorry if I may be accusing her of shilling with absolutely no evidence to support this - yet.. I don't have any. She is reaching alot of people though. That conference was on long island and my dad lives thousands of miles away. That video has over 30k hits already.

Thanks for your Post . . . brings up a few interesting questions . . .

1) What do you think her appeal is to people like your father?

2) Is she more effective than other conspiracy speakers?

 

[juststoppingby]

Thanks for your Post . . . brings up a few interesting questions . . .

1) What do you think her appeal is to people like your father?

2) Is she more effective than other conspiracy speakers?

1. Shes ex-military and served her country, calls herself a whistle blower (snowden), maybe because shes divorced with a child and comes off a little vulnerable?
2. I don't know any others - this one struck a note with him and the emails started. She was supposed to convince me of the truth.

What's interesting is that I actually think she is amused by the people that follow her and are part of this circuit. Right after her discussing the jar and the $50 bucks, she made reference to "You can have all the guns and money" etc... and there was this weird smirk on her when she mentioned guns. Body language, I don't know. I think she's aware that some of these people are just odd and out of the norm.

 

[David Fraser]

She is begging for cash as it appears the Save Long Island Conference made a loss
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=253562258138415&id=170775363083772&refid=17

http://savelongislandforum.com/donate/

Given that ticket prices were quite high one may suspect their business plan was profit driven

 

[George B]

1. Shes ex-military and served her country, calls herself a whistle blower (snowden), maybe because shes divorced with a child and comes off a little vulnerable?
2. I don't know any others - this one struck a note with him and the emails started. She was supposed to convince me of the truth.

What's interesting is that I actually think she is amused by the people that follow her and are part of this circuit. Right after her discussing the jar and the $50 bucks, she made reference to "You can have all the guns and money" etc... and there was this weird smirk on her when she mentioned guns. Body language, I don't know. I think she's aware that some of these people are just odd and out of the norm.

So . . . it is your impression that maybe she is aware her audience is easily persuaded to follow her lead and is amused by it?

 

[George B]

She is begging for cash as it appears the Save Long Island Conference made a loss
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=253562258138415&id=170775363083772&refid=17

http://savelongislandforum.com/donate/

Given that ticket prices were quite high one may suspect their business plan was profit driven

From the message sounds like they weren't very successful . . . by one of the organizers putting several thousand dollars out of their own pocket to get the conference started followed by Meghan's offer to partially match a $20.00 donation . . . I think this was actually rather marginal . . . One might ask how Meghan was able to feel comfortable at offering a partial match with her own money? Either her speaking fee was rather substantial, she is dedicated to her cause, or she is being funded by someone with more significant deep pockets . . .

 

[JRBids]

Hmmmm . . . for that to be a motivation the lab facilities would have to have a contractual relationship with her and truly benefit from significant volume of increased work generated (people just don't rush out and start testing) . . . doubt that is possible also because of the diverse areas where she has presented . . . don't think environmental labs have a national chain like Burger King either . . .

So then either she gets the sample and sends it out to a lab to test? Thereby making ME question what is sent to the lab. Or they send the sample directly to the lab, in which case how does she get paid? Maybe they submit the code "Kristen" and she gets a cut?

 

[JRBids]

From the message sounds like they weren't very successful . . . by one of the organizers putting several thousand dollars out of their own pocket to get the conference started followed by Meghan's offer to partially match a $20.00 donation . . . I think this was actually rather marginal . . . One might ask how Meghan was able to feel comfortable at offering a partial match with her own money? Either her speaking fee was rather substantial, she is dedicated to her cause, or she is being funded by someone with more significant deep pockets . . .

I think they also cut the price in half at the end. When I saw the prices even I was amazed, and I am on LI so I am accustomed to the cost of things here.

 

[George B]

So then either she gets the sample and sends it out to a lab to test? Thereby making ME question what is sent to the lab. Or they send the sample directly to the lab, in which case how does she get paid? Maybe they submit the code "Kristen" and she gets a cut?

Agreed. . . for it to be a money scheme for her there would need to be some identification or tracking system to validate her connection to the testing effort . . . as far as the scientific validity? . . . There a many, many questions associated with where, how, when, and on and on . . .

 

[George B]

So then either she gets the sample and sends it out to a lab to test? Thereby making ME question what is sent to the lab. Or they send the sample directly to the lab, in which case how does she get paid? Maybe they submit the code "Kristen" and she gets a cut?

What was the original attendance fee and what was it at the end?