Or the CT about how this was done to prevent or destroy the discovery that AIDS was man-madeUkraine mistook MH-17 for Vladimir Putin's personal jet
Apparently this rumor came straight from the Russian state-run media before making its rounds elsewhere. Part of the reason for this speculation is that Putin's personal plane bears a similar color scheme to the Malaysia Airlines 777 that crashed.
This theory has supposedly been debunked by the fact that Putin hasn't flown over Ukraine in months and was actually on his way back from Brazil when the incident occurred.
The Plane was Destroyed to Prevent the Discovery that AIDS/HIV is Man-Made
Word has since come out that many of the passengers on MH-17 were prominent AIDS researchers on their way to an AIDS conference in Australia. Some say that the research of these experts was about to uncover something groundbreaking involving the disease, like perhaps that it was man-made
I think you're right Landru. Is the intelligence community 100% certain it was a SA-11?
I am pretty sure that it is not even sure that the plane was shot down. Not that it does not prohibit to press to claim so or even know who were behind it.
I stand corrected. Thank you
If the optics and laser guided lock system was used would they have been able to identify the plane as being military vs commercial?The SA-11 can also be optically guided. The Transport Erector Launcher (TELAR) has in addition to its fire control radar TV optics and laser ranging. It could have been a purely passive engagement and US/Western intelligence might not have been able to detect associated radars? Target visible in broad daylight and easily tracked by the optics.
The electro optics and laser turret is positioned behind and above the radome of the fire control radar. In the following image just in front of the white missile nosecones.
From
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-9K37-Buk.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_erector_launcher_and_radarA transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) is the same as a TEL but also incorporates part or all of the radar system necessary for firing the missile(s). Such vehicles have the capability of being autonomous, greatly enhancing their effectiveness. With this type of system each vehicle can fight regardless of the state or presence of support vehicles.
What would lead you to this conclusion?
I don't believe it is "optical" in the way a telescope visual image is.....it is optical in that it uses laser optics + radar........it's not a telescope.
That will become a common conspiracy theory.
I didn't know if they had to paint the target first with their laser optics through visual means.
It's already a CT on the internet;
http://www.latinopost.com/articles/...theories-on-the-internet-ukraine-credible.htmMH-17 is Really MH370
Both planes were Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777s and MH370 was never found. Case closed, right? This is similar to the World War III theory in that MH370 was allegedly stolen only to be outfitted with explosives and then detonated at the right time over a volatile eastern Ukraine, in an attempt to set off a larger conflict.
Well there you go. You can decide for yourself. But we recommend sticking with the logical and obvious explanation based on evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17Flight 17 was operated with a Boeing 777-2H6ER, serial number 28411, registration 9M-MRD. The 84th Boeing 777produced, it first flew on 17 July 1997, exactly 17 years before the incident, and was delivered new to Malaysia Airlines on 29 July 1997.
There is no reason to defend NATO/pro-West revolutionary government in Ukraine either. This is a proxy war which the west fulmented. That some new separatists separated from the separatists that the west originally supported is what makes it very difficult to pick sides with any degree of objectivity. This is similar to when the Mohawks in south Quebec declared independence from Quebec as Quedec was voting to declare independence from Canada.
There's also the older version of the buk missile system called the 2K12Kub (NATO designation: SA-6 GAINFUL).The Buk is a mobile missile system that includes a target acquisition radar vehicle, command vehicle, six transporter erector launcher and radar vehicles and three transporter erector launcher vehicles. The Buk missile batter includes two TELAR and one TEL vehicles.
A standard Buk battalion consists of a command vehicle, target acquisition radar (TAR) vehicle, six transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) vehicles and three transporter erector launcher (TEL) vehicles. A Buk missile battery consists of two TELAR and one TEL vehicle.
The medium range SAM system has received iterative upgrades over the years since it was first introduced in 1979. The range and capability of the system depends on the missile in use. The SA-11 was introduced in 1979 using the 9M38 missile that features a range of 3–19 miles and an altitude of 100–46,000 feet. In 1984, the SA-11 received the upgraded 9M38M1 missile which expanded the range to 22 miles and the altitude up to 72,000 feet.
The system was upgraded to the NATO designation SA-17 in 1998 when the 9M317 missile was introduced. The missile features an engagement envelope of 100–82,000 feet and 2–31 miles. The GRIZZLY also receive the third version of the target acquisition radar, which can engage 24 simultaneous targets.
The other 2 systems [S-400 (NATO designation: SA-21 GROWLER) & S-75A Dvina (NATO designation: SA-2 GUIDELINE)] aren't likely candidates though. The S-400 is regarded as the best missile defense system in the world and came about in 2004. The Russians only have 4 systems operational that we know of so I would check this one off the list. The ladder was made famous after shooting down U.S. pilot Gary Powers flying a U-2 spy plane, and only a handful of countries are known to have this system (Libya, Syria, and N. Korea). So I doubt the Russians handed this over to the separatist.This is Russia’s medium range surface-to-air mssile system predecessor to the SA-11 and SA-17. It was an original part of the Buk missile system but it has since been phased out in favor of its successors. However, there are a few 2K12 Kub’s still in existence in Russia, according to reports. It was designed in 1959 by the Soviet Union and was produced from 1964 to 1985.
It’s frankly a simpler version of the SA-11 and SA-17. The mobile SAM system has a range of 2–15 miles and can hit targets traveling up to 36,000 feet.
What about all of the people on board though? The whole manifest and their grieving families etc. Doesn't that shoot a rather big hole in this notion? I don't understand this conjecture as specifically applied to this crash. If an empty-ish plane out of no-where had been blown out of the sky and it was a similar type to the one that disapeared...OK. But...
Only the Russians stand to profit in this war.
LOL! Ok. Ask yourself then, why is the POTUS talking up action? Because he's such a good guy? I wonder where all of that "responsibility" crap will go when Al-Queda starts knocking airliners out of the sky with the Manpads we gave them in Libya/Syria.
Most likely belonged to the AIDS researchers....of course, these criminal "rebels" will continue to obfuscate and imply something else, to distract.He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.
Yes, most of us are. If you want to know why the west supplanted the government in Ukraine and why the fellows running the Military Industrial Complex want this type of thing to happen, then this is a good place to begin: http://www.amazon.com/The-Grand-Chessboard-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261
You said benefit, what does the US have to gain from this region of the world?
Balkanization.
Can you please provide proof for this? Out of the 289 bodies I've only seen 1 photo of a guy laying on his side with a white shirt on, but now all photos of the deceased are blurred out... So how can you even make this claim...
The POTUS and his teleprompter or McCain or anyone else being up there promoting war has nothing to do with what benefits the US but rather stems from what benefits the Military Industrial Complex. You and I are not part of the benefit equation. So asking why or if something would benefit "The US" as a group of people who receive benefit from this or that is really not a relevant discussion. I wish it was...but it's not.
