1. some_guy

    some_guy New Member

    Hi all, new here. Found the forum via googling about the Navy pilot UFO report. Anyway, was curious about your thoughts on this possible perpetual motion machine, described in this WSJ article: https://revolution-green.com/one-mans-unlikely-quest-power-world-magnets/. The actual claim from the inventor is:

    Which seems bizarre because magnets don't store energy. They claim to have [had] at least one powering a [small] shooting range.

    They used to have a live feed of one at https://earthenginelive.com, but it's been down for a while. So, how might this working? Hidden battery inside the device? Or not an intentional scam, but just a very efficient conventional motor?
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  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It's either an intentional scam or an unintentional one. It's hard to tell, and really not that important. I wrote this six years ago:

    I met with V3Solar's CEO, he seemed genuine but did not really understand the science. The scientist was a bit kooky, but also seemed mostly genuine. They no longer exist because their tech was an illusion.

    Here, with the Earth Engine, you've got a similar setup. There's a maverick scientist (Danzik) who claims (and perhaps believes) that he has discovered something, and you've got a CEO (Hinz) who has become convinced by the scientist.

    I say if they have something, then they could actually demonstrate it. They can't. The conclusion if they have nothing.

    I agree with Lincoln. I'd also add that the second refuge of charlatans (intentional or otherwise) is "I'm done demonstrating it, and am moving on to using it."

    I'll wait. But I'll also advise potential investors to look at the long history of supposed cheap energy machines, and make decisions appropriately.
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  3. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    This is a good description of a scenario that's been playing out since the early 19th century at least.

    One that I'm familiar with in some detail is Andrea Rossi's Energy Catalyzer, because I used to read the site NextBigFuture. The site owner Brian Wang kept quixotically reporting on this circa 2011. The real drama was in the comments section with most readers being very skeptical and a few very fervent supporters who didn't seem to have any financial interest in the thing but who seemed to have some psychological connection to the idea of free energy.

    There were demonstrations galore with scientists "observing" but not conducting the tests or able to examine the apparatus in detail. There were plans for commercial applications continually just on the horizon; including a home water heater.

    In this case the inventor was a non-scientist but he got one physicist on his side: the late Sergio Focardi.

    This is still going on, and in exactly the same manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

    Apropos to the Earth Engine...

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