The Anti Media, makes bogus claim that "CDC admits Ebola could be airborne"

Igrokush1

Member
So basically, if you are within three feet of someone, they could infect you "over the air" by spitting, sneezing, coughing, or anything else that projects drops a short distance.
Good call Mick. Viruses and pathogens frequently mutate and adjust and adapt to the hosts gene coding, in microbiology. I'll soon post an article I found stating that scientists have currently discovered up to 395 genetic mutations of Ebola. Please standby.
 

Igrokush1

Member
The real sad part is that it's in New York now, why did they let yet another person back with ebola?? And the guy goes and rides a subway and goes bowling... Now that's sad!
(USA TODAY) Friday oct 24
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
The fear-mongering conspiracy website called 'The Anti Media'

Yes. This plays on many levels. Certainly historical, documented outbreaks and plagues of various sorts over the centuries contribute to this irrational "fear", but also from the book (later produced into a movie) called "The Andromeda Strain".

(Though, thinking about this movie from over 40 years ago? I wonder how relevant it is, in peoples' psyches? Given that it IS somewhat unknown perhaps, by a certain set of a younger generation of folks).
 

Igrokush1

Member
I don't see where I said anything about mutating to survive airborne transmission, please do not falsely indicate such unless it's in my reply, further to enlighten you, when it was altered for airborne transmission, it made the virus unable to kill.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ebolaalready-mutated-more-300-182300353.html
It's mutated to survive airborne transmission? Evidence for that please.
That viruses mutate is not in dispute, so stop telling us about it.
 

Jason

Senior Member
Yes. This plays on many levels. Certainly historical, documented outbreaks and plagues of various sorts over the centuries contribute to this irrational "fear", but also from the book (later produced into a movie) called "The Andromeda Strain".

(Though, thinking about this movie from over 40 years ago? I wonder how relevant it is, in peoples' psyches? Given that it IS somewhat unknown perhaps, by a certain set of a younger generation of folks).
You kidding me I love all books written by Michael Crichton. Fantastic book, movie not so much.
 

Jason

Senior Member
I'll stop telling you stuff period tar peter
The title of the article from Yahoo is "How Ebola's 300+ mutations could make it even scarier". The key word in there is "HOW". It's inferring something could happen in the future, well heck anything could happen in the future. The rabies virus could mutate and become airborne too if we use that logic, since it regularly undergoes mutations. I too was somewhat worried about this a few weeks ago, but the odds of a mutation on this level happening are so remote that it's not worth worrying over. All organisms and the cells that make up those organisms are constantly mutating and adapting. So I wouldn't worry about it. Now if the CDC or WHO came out and discovered an airborne strain then that would be a totally different story
 

Igrokush1

Member
Did you read the article or just the title ? Read on friend.
Again to all, I'm not inferring, just reading an article, and not picking out every little petty invitation for dispute, such as a title saying how ebolas 300+ mutations could make it...yadayadayada
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
I don't see where I said anything about mutating to survive airborne transmission, please do not falsely indicate such unless it's in my reply, further to enlighten you, when it was altered for airborne transmission, it made the virus unable to kill.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ebolaalready-mutated-more-300-182300353.html
Then when the topic is the claim that ebola is currently airborne, not whether it mutates or not, it's just random trivia.
And yes, clearly if ebola *were* airborne it would not be a good thing.
Could you quote where it says the airborne version is impossible unable to kill? The link doesn't work anymore.
 
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deirdre

Senior Member.
Then when the topic is the claim that ebola is currently airborne, not whether it mutates or not, it's just random trivia.
And yes, clearly if ebola *were* airborne it would not be a good thing.
Could you quote where it says the airborne version is impossible to kill? The link doesn't work anymore.

this looks like it.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ebola...lYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDUzN18x
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
Thanks, that's the article, I think this was the quote I was after though -
I read 'unable to kill' as 'unable to be killed', so 'impossible to kill' was my misquote.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
Thanks, that's the article, I think this was the quote I was after though -
I read 'unable to kill' as 'unable to be killed', so 'impossible to kill' was my misquote.
well, not sure if we are still on topic since this is about the H5n1 not ebola (past or present)- but in fairness it was ferrets (not humans obviously) and from what I'm seeing (its a long read!) it was only 6 ferrets.

I don't understand the 'titer'y science enough to tell if they can see a missing 'fatal' piece to the genetically engineered airborne virus that would make it not fatal in all cases. I'm not seeing any reference to that, but I might have missed it, as its a long article!

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/336/6088/1534.full
 

Igrokush1

Member
I found this article intriguing not only because it's from 2006, but the particular place the speech was given- Texas. About two years ago San Diego( my home town so I still read news on occasion) and Canada received funding to make a drug for Ebola specifically. And here we are today, those same two private laboratories have came up with the experimental drug ZMAPP, which was tested on the first missionaries whom contracted Ebola months back. A pattern? Or a debunking topic? Note the 2006 article 'claims' it's airborne...
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/April/2006.ebola
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
Huh. So they were talking about a H5n1 experiment not ebola. Missed that.
When the yahoo article said -
they neglect to mention what 'already deadly virus' they're talking about.

And yes, scanning that study is hard on the brain, congratulations on finding what is the most likely reference amid all that.
 

Igrokush1

Member
That was a good read!
Huh. So they were talking about a H5n1 experiment not ebola. Missed that.
When the yahoo article said -
they neglect to mention what 'already deadly virus' they're talking about.

And yes, scanning that study is hard on the brain, congratulations on finding what is the most likely reference amid all that.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
I found this article intriguing not only because it's from 2006, but the particular place the speech was given- Texas. About two years ago San Diego( my home town so I still read news on occasion) and Canada received funding to make a drug for Ebola specifically. And here we are today, those same two private laboratories have came up with the experimental drug ZMAPP, which was tested on the first missionaries whom contracted Ebola months back. A pattern? Or a debunking topic? Note the 2006 article 'claims' it's airborne...
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/April/2006.ebola
we've gotta ask Mick why none of your links work. but thankyou for quotes! at least I can search the text.

I'm not sure we're allowed to use known conspiracy sites as 'sources' ;)

couldn't find it on prisonplanet but is this the same article here? on Before its News?
based on 'typical' 'kill off the population' conspiracy stuff, I think the 'scientist' here means they can weaponize and/or make ebola airborne TO kill off the population. I don't think he means ebola is already airborne. But I can see how it would read that way to some.
 

Igrokush1

Member
Wow you found the same article elsewhere, that's cool. To be honest, I'm unaware of conspiracy sites. Earlier this month I was just researching the history of Ebola and that came up, but I guess it's known of since you found it elsewhere. I mainly thought the time related to the place and present was sort of coincidental. Texas. Currently the state where the most people have moved to in 2013-14 @ 345,something. Thanks for your link also, I will check it out.
we've gotta ask Mick why none of your links work. but thankyou for quotes! at least I can search the text.

I'm not sure we're allowed to use known conspiracy sites as 'sources' ;)

couldn't find it on prisonplanet but is this the same article here? on Before its News?
based on 'typical' 'kill off the population' conspiracy stuff, I think the 'scientist' here means they can weaponize and/or make ebola airborne TO kill off the population. I don't think he means ebola is already airborne. But I can see how it would read that way to some.
 

Dan Wilson

Senior Member.
Isn't it a bit unfair to say that this disease hasn't been studied?

Ebola has been around for decades and a great deal of effort has been put into understanding how it works, how it's spread, treatment protocols, etc.

It certainly isn't a "well" studied virus, not compared to things like influenza or HIV at least. But we do know things about it. All of the research and news is currently freely available from Science.

http://www.sciencemag.org/site/extra/ebola/?intcmp=HP-COLLECTION-PROMO-EBOLA
 

F. Serby

New Member
I've seen mentions of the recent transmission of Ebola from pigs to simians, but has anyone here mentioned the Ebola virus in 1989 in Reston, Virginia that was airborne and was transmitted from simian to simian? This was not from pigs. It was also what the movie, Outbreak, based a scene on. It even infected human workers at the site, but they were asymptomatic, only showing antibodies for it in their blood. It was lethal to the monkeys, but not the human beings. Even so, this shows that there is a form of this virus that goes from primate to primate in an airborne transmission. Fortunately, it hadn't mutated into a form that was lethal to human beings.
 

Mick West

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I've seen mentions of the recent transmission of Ebola from pigs to simians, but has anyone here mentioned the Ebola virus in 1989 in Reston, Virginia that was airborne and was transmitted from simian to simian? This was not from pigs. It was also what the movie, Outbreak, based a scene on. It even infected human workers at the site, but they were asymptomatic, only showing antibodies for it in their blood. It was lethal to the monkeys, but not the human beings. Even so, this shows that there is a form of this virus that goes from primate to primate in an airborne transmission. Fortunately, it hadn't mutated into a form that was lethal to human beings.

Can you provide any evidence of any of this?
 

Josh Heuer

Active Member
Can you provide any evidence of any of this?
Here's an account of the occurrence from USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/ebola-1989-outbreak/13860929/

...a little further in:

Info on Reston virus.

ETA: there's nothing about it being airborne.
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
Reston ebolavirus is transmitted through bodily fluids and is not airborne. The close quarters and cleaning/ handling of the monkeys cause the transmission, a good description here
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Ebola-droplets-Africa-air/2014/10/14/id/600727/
 

NoParty

Senior Member.
Wow you found the same article elsewhere, that's cool. To be honest, I'm unaware of conspiracy sites. Earlier this month I was just researching the history of Ebola and that came up, but I guess it's known of since you found it elsewhere. I mainly thought the time related to the place and present was sort of coincidental. Texas. Currently the state where the most people have moved to in 2013-14 @ 345,something. Thanks for your link also, I will check it out.
I'll be honest, I have a problem with stuff like the content of the Pianka speech being misrepresented (out of context).

Eric Pianka says--with no equivocation--that his views are being misrepresented.

Yes, the distinguished scientist does believe that for humans to survive in the long run,
they will need to be in much smaller numbers, and he did explain that as he accepted the
"Distinguished Texas Scientist" award from the Texas Academy of Science in 2006.
Of course, he never advocated any plan to do so, and anyone who implies otherwise in 2014 is being dishonest.

The best part, is that there's nothing mysterious here: Pianka is still around...the decorated scientist
is quick to correct any who jumped to the wrong conclusion. So, since Pianka made clear his actual position
way back in 2006, how does this crazy meme survive 8 years later?
To believe the CT, one would have to believe that Pianka is lying now...but that for some mysterious reason,
he--on probably the most public day of his life--accidentally let his secret de-population plan out of the bag. :rolleyes:

There is no record of the exact text of his speech. Only interpretations. The two minority interpretations
that led to this being a "Prison Planet" kind of CT were from two non-scientist creationists
(Forrest Mims & Bill Dembski) who chose to be alarmed. Evidently the hundreds of others in attendance were not.
 
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Josh Heuer

Active Member
One thing I noticed in the link above I gave to wikipedia's article on Reston-Ebola virus. In the 'Notes' section there's this:

The link does not work for me; is anyone else able to access it?

I'm curious as to what experiments were done and what 'exceptions' they are referring to.
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
I am certain that it has been said before but there is a difference between airborne and aerosolized.

Airborne: The "germ" is able to survive in dry air on its own and still be viable. Examples measles and TB.

Aerosolised: It needs to be carried in medium, like mucus, through the air to be viable. Example a sneeze and influenza.

Also you need a certain number of viable cells to contract the disease and Ebola has a low contagion rate (2 people but I will check).

Also 8.5million is not that much in medical research terms.
 

F. Serby

New Member
Actually, I remember a NOVA video (which I showed the biology class I taught in the early 2000's) that mentioned that they suspected that it traveled through the air vents at the place the monkeys were held, but another site that I recently saw on the internet says a different view. It says, "It is likely that the Room H monkeys were sub-clinically harboring EBO on arrival." Apparently, some people don't mention what they suspected back in 1990, when I think NOVA released the video. I'm not sure what to think now. A Fox News article says, "It may have been the first time the infection spread through the air – they think it was through the air ducts – because it infected monkeys that weren’t in the same room. This is the basis for today’s debate over whether Ebola can be transmitted through the lungs, a discussion that has never been fully resolved, Murphy said."
 
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