Recently viral Buga, Colombia, "alien" metal balls

JMartJr said:
I have the very strong sense that the camera is anticipating the sphere movements, particularly wen it first dives beg-hind the grass, as i descends in stair-step from r to l, and at the end when it emerges from behind grass. I am less firmly convinced that they are taking care never to see too high above it, especially when it goes high and they look up at it, an they tend to keep the zoom tight and the object nearer the top of the frame.
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This is a good point. When I have filmed planes before, even when zoomed in, it is relatively easy to manually follow the plane and keep it roughly centered or at least in frame, because there is a limited range of direction change a plane can make. Birds are harder, but you'd think a sphere that is moving around randomly would be even harder to predict where it would go, and keep the camera tracking it in that direction.

Starflint said:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmjaIizQTjY&ab_channel=VerdadOculta

This seems like a soft leak by the Maussan team to divert public pressure?
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I think even this recreation video by someone trying to portray the original video positively, shows significantly more reaction time latency between ball direction changes and the cameraman adjusting the camera to follow it.

It's possible the pendulum issue on velocity changes could be mitigated by a skilled drone operator. There's also the possibility there was more than 1 drone and the ball was suspended from each, and the drones flew pre-plotted routes (something I think most quadcopter drones support, I know my DJI one does). You may also be able to get some mitigation of ball spin and swaying by tying a line on the farthest out point of each of the 4 propeller legs. But those points would be close enough together that the stabilizing effect probably decreases significantly as the length of the lines increase. Hard to say though.
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Kyle Ferriter said:
This is a good point. When I have filmed planes before, even when zoomed in, it is relatively easy to manually follow the plane and keep it roughly centered or at least in frame, because there is a limited range of direction change a plane can make. Birds are harder, but you'd think a sphere that is moving around randomly would be even harder to predict where it would go, and keep the camera tracking it in that direction.


I think even this recreation video by someone trying to portray the original video positively, shows significantly more reaction time latency between ball direction changes and the cameraman adjusting the camera to follow it.

It's possible the pendulum issue on velocity changes could be mitigated by a skilled drone operator. There's also the possibility there was more than 1 drone and the ball was suspended from each, and the drones flew pre-plotted routes (something I think most quadcopter drones support, I know my DJI one does). You may also be able to get some mitigation of ball spin and swaying by tying a line on the farthest out point of each of the 4 propeller legs. But those points would be close enough together that the stabilizing effect probably decreases significantly as the length of the lines increase. Hard to say though.
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I still dont think all your line theories explain this strange wobbling. It wobbles/rotates around the center, how would an attached line create that effect ?

 
Can anyone explain this? I really don't understand, how they can point the camera up, without the lines getting distorted in the lower corners.
Look at the transmission tower to the left.

Google Maps 90 degree:
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Google Maps 112 degree:
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Blender recreation 90 degree:
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Blender recreation 112 degree:
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Video:
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It makes no sense to me - every camera does that in wide FOV.
 
Kyle Ferriter said:
It's possible the pendulum issue on velocity changes could be mitigated by a skilled drone operator. There's also the possibility there was more than 1 drone and the ball was suspended from each, and the drones flew pre-plotted routes (something I think most quadcopter drones support, I know my DJI one does). You may also be able to get some mitigation of ball spin and swaying by tying a line on the farthest out point of each of the 4 propeller legs. But those points would be close enough together that the stabilizing effect probably decreases significantly as the length of the lines increase. Hard to say though.
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(Note: this is my gut feeling, but no, I can't back it up with math!) More than one line attached to it would be likely to cause a jerkiness to the motion, as a little swaying would mean one line was taut while another remains loose, and that would quickly reverse with a sway in the opposite direction. That might even be enough to destabilize the drone altogether. I think smooth motion could only be done with a single point of attachment.
 
jackfrostvc said:
@jarlrmai Just skimming through it , the impression I got was that he rigs up a painted silver ball under a drone to see if it resembles the Buga Sphere movement etc. It seems he does it poorly so that you can see the net holding the ball when it's closer.

I get the impression, could be wrong, that he shows a poorly done experiment with a drone to basically say , look it's not that.
That was my impression I got
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No-one's suggested slinging the sphere in a net bag, so I presumed he was just considering that unimportant to the demonstration - he took the drone out, put it on a line, I thought it was the motion he was trying to replicate. And it did to my satisfaction. Of course, I was skipping through, only looking at the dynamics, not listening to an unfamiliar language, and that's perhaps the exact opposite of his intention. But he's persuaded me ball-suspended-on-a-fishing-line-from-a-drone is a good match for the original, whatever he was intending to do.
 
ThomasH said:
I still dont think all your line theories explain this strange wobbling. It wobbles/rotates around the center, how would an attached line create that effect ?
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To me it looks similar to the wobbling seen in the video posted upthread, the oscillations are just slower in the sphere video compared to this one (possibly due to line length and sphere weight differences?).

Queued to 05:53

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmjaIizQTjY&t=353s
 
ThomasH said:
I still dont think all your line theories explain this strange wobbling. It wobbles/rotates around the center, how would an attached line create that effect ?
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Just spit balling, but when I was hanging models off fishing line trying to recreate a UFO photo, it spun all the time. Just hanging from a center point, it'll likely spin one way, twisting the line up, until the line untwists and the model spins the other way. Back and forth until it eventual stops, assuming no wind and no movement. If this is being flown around below a drone, the air current is going to make it spin.

Once it starts spinning on the central axis of the line, I would think any irregularities in its construction may induce a wobble. If it's not perfectly symmetrical or perfectly balanced, then when it spins it'll wobble.
 
NorCal Dave said:
Just spit balling, but when I was hanging models off fishing line trying to recreate a UFO photo, it spun all the time. Just hanging from a center point, it'll likely spin one way, twisting the line up, until the line untwists and the model spins the other way. Back and forth until it eventual stops, assuming no wind and no movement. If this is being flown around below a drone, the air current is going to make it spin.

Once it starts spinning on the central axis of the line, I would think any irregularities in its construction may induce a wobble. If it's not perfectly symmetrical or perfectly balanced, then when it spins it'll wobble.
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But it's not spinning, it's rotating really slow and wobbles really fast, and with the center as pivot point, I find it strange.
I still think it's some kind of drone.
 
ThomasH said:
I still think it's some kind of drone.
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But then how's it flying? A drone that can go vertical uses rotor blades of some kind. All the ball shaped drones I could find are basically open air cages around the rotor blades, allowing the air to flow:

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Assuming someone covered this with something like very light weight mylar for a metallic look, that would block the airflow and it wouldn't work.

Maybe some sort of balloon with a fan and directional vents? That seems possible but overly complicated with remote controlled ducts and a balloon with an internal cavity to house a fan. The sphere is never in high quality video, but it's good enough to see that it doesn't have large holes in it.

I think it just wobbles because it's out of balance and poorly made. I still think this was just a marketing stunt for dowsing equipment. Look at the original videos and the "lab" and the "scientists". It's a workshop with the company logo on the walls and the "scientists" are wearing cheap PPE that doesn't really match what they're doing. They're cosplaying. I doubt they put a huge amount of effort into building these things.
 
NorCal Dave said:
But then how's it flying? A drone that can go vertical uses rotor blades of some kind. All the ball shaped drones I could find are basically open air cages around the rotor blades, allowing the air to flow:

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Assuming someone covered this with something like very light weight mylar for a metallic look, that would block the airflow and it wouldn't work.

Maybe some sort of balloon with a fan and directional vents? That seems possible but overly complicated with remote controlled ducts and a balloon with an internal cavity to house a fan. The sphere is never in high quality video, but it's good enough to see that it doesn't have large holes in it.

I think it just wobbles because it's out of balance and poorly made. I still think this was just a marketing stunt for dowsing equipment. Look at the original videos and the "lab" and the "scientists". It's a workshop with the company logo on the walls and the "scientists" are wearing cheap PPE that doesn't really match what they're doing. They're cosplaying. I doubt they put a huge amount of effort into building these things.
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Yes it's strange, I don't know how they do it. If it span fast the wobble because of unbalance would be plausible, but spinning really slow and wobble fast around the center is strange, and I'd like to see someone recreate that with a string. If they can, I will say 100% on the line theory :)
 
NorCal Dave said:
But then how's it flying? A drone that can go vertical uses rotor blades of some kind. All the ball shaped drones I could find are basically open air cages around the rotor blades, allowing the air to flow:

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Assuming someone covered this with something like very light weight mylar for a metallic look, that would block the airflow and it wouldn't work.

Maybe some sort of balloon with a fan and directional vents? That seems possible but overly complicated with remote controlled ducts and a balloon with an internal cavity to house a fan. The sphere is never in high quality video, but it's good enough to see that it doesn't have large holes in it.

I think it just wobbles because it's out of balance and poorly made. I still think this was just a marketing stunt for dowsing equipment. Look at the original videos and the "lab" and the "scientists". It's a workshop with the company logo on the walls and the "scientists" are wearing cheap PPE that doesn't really match what they're doing. They're cosplaying. I doubt they put a huge amount of effort into building these things.
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You could buy a fine mesh that lets air flow through -- you can get premade mesh net dust covers for oscillating fan online -- and hit it with metallic spray paint. And there are certainly commercial drones with spherical cages on the market: https://www.spheredrones.com.au/products/flyability-elios-3 (though this one's every angular). It might fly a little rough and require full power, but from a distance it would look solid.

Plus, some version of Flying Alien Sphere has been available since 2014:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL7_fntmkQw
 
ThomasH said:
Yes it's strange, I don't know how they do it. If it span fast the wobble because of unbalance would be plausible, but spinning really slow and wobble fast around the center is strange, and I'd like to see someone recreate that with a string. If they can, I will say 100% on the line theory :)
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Yeah, that's the problem with recreations. One can show that a video or photo could be done in a particular way, but that doesn't mean it was. And even if a technique is shown to be very likely, like the ball under a drone, there may still be details that can't be recreated when we don't know exactly what was done.

I spent quite a bit of time trying to recreate a version of the Calvine UFO photo. I managed to show that it could be done in camera with a cardboard cutout and a piece of glass. Someone else online showed it could be done in camera with a Christmas ornament and a model. No matter how close we got, neither of us were in the Scottish Highlands, so it was never going to be an exact recreation.

Same here, we don't know exactly what the sphere is or made out of. I suspect the flying one is different from what we see on the workbench. Maybe just a beach ball type thing painted to match with a bit of something glued on to mimic the center ridges.
 
jdog said:
You could buy a fine mesh that lets air flow through -- you can get premade mesh net dust covers for oscillating fan online -- and hit it with metallic spray paint. And there are certainly commercial drones with spherical cages on the market: https://www.spheredrones.com.au/products/flyability-elios-3 (though this one's every angular). It might fly a little rough and require full power, but from a distance it would look solid.

Plus, some version of Flying Alien Sphere has been available since 2014:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL7_fntmkQw
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Well shit. That almost looks like something worth trying. Just what I need, another project on the work bench. Thanks dog.
 
NorCal Dave said:
Yeah, that's the problem with recreations. One can show that a video or photo could be done in a particular way, but that doesn't mean it was. And even if a technique is shown to be very likely, like the ball under a drone, there may still be details that can't be recreated when we don't know exactly what was done.

I spent quite a bit of time trying to recreate a version of the Calvine UFO photo. I managed to show that it could be done in camera with a cardboard cutout and a piece of glass. Someone else online showed it could be done in camera with a Christmas ornament and a model. No matter how close we got, neither of us were in the Scottish Highlands, so it was never going to be an exact recreation.

Same here, we don't know exactly what the sphere is or made out of. I suspect the flying one is different from what we see on the workbench. Maybe just a beach ball type thing painted to match with a bit of something glued on to mimic the center ridges.
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Yeah it's a bit the same as when I'm trying to recreate cover versions of a song to perfection, it's often harder to recreate than the guy who made it in the first place, he just played something random :)
 
jdog said:
You could buy a fine mesh that lets air flow through -- you can get premade mesh net dust covers for oscillating fan online -- and hit it with metallic spray paint. And there are certainly commercial drones with spherical cages on the market: https://www.spheredrones.com.au/products/flyability-elios-3 (though this one's every angular). It might fly a little rough and require full power, but from a distance it would look solid.

Plus, some version of Flying Alien Sphere has been available since 2014:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL7_fntmkQw
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I did look into the commercial RC thing but I don't know if it would really work. I would be concerned that the mesh would block the air flow too much and interfere with the lift. I like the idea that these are being held aloft by drones via a string.
 
JWrightBrain said:
I did look into the commercial RC thing but I don't know if it would really work. I would be concerned that the mesh would block the air flow too much and interfere with the lift. I like the idea that these are being held aloft by drones via a string.
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Yeah, it just goes to the point that there's nothing particularly exotic about this sighting and nothing that defies 2025 technology. It doesn't interact with anything, move in physics-defying ways, startle pedestrians, etc.

And, even if the object in question isn't CGI itself, it would be fairly easy to digitally remove a drone carrying it on a short tether.
 
Total brainstorming conjecture. I think we tend to overcomplicate explanations. What evidence do we have that would negate the idea that this is a very small item being moved about by a guy with a fishing pole? In SOME videos?
 
JWrightBrain said:
Total brainstorming conjecture. I think we tend to overcomplicate explanations. What evidence do we have that would negate the idea that this is a very small item being moved about by a guy with a fishing pole? In SOME videos?
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If it's SOME videos, that would actually complicate it more. Now there would be 2 different techniques to get at least good at. In some of the videos the distance traveled vertically and horizontally is quite a bit. Even if it is a perspective trick with a small sphere close to the camera, which makes the zooms difficult, I think it just covers too much ground for a guy with a fishing pole. There are signs of starting and stopping or hiding transitions, like the 3 frozen frames I noticed several pages back and the disappearing behind the brush.

Overall it seems @Starflint did a pretty good recreation using a ball under a drone. I think we can say it COULD have been done that way. As it could be done that way and the recreation matches most of the movements in the video, except maybe the wobble, I'm definitely leaning that way. IF that is correct, I'd think they would just use the same technique, having figured it out. Hollywood might use various techniques depending on needs, but these guys are just dowsing salesmen.

Things may change with Mausson's involvement.
 
BTW I tried aligning things up a bit in Blender, it's still very hard because of the distorted lines and thing I can't get right. But if the sphere is 24,6 cm as they say, it's never more than 25-35 m away.
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This saga has taken a dramatic turn with the timely discovery of a historical artifact confirming that the etched design on the sphere was indeed of alien origin (speculation notwithstanding)

Source: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLBb8O9MLt1/?igsh=MXVreGUxaXppazJvcA%3D%3D


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The style, design & "make it look old" techniques that appear to have been used (including 'rub mud into the grooves') strongly reminds me of the Hoaxy Stone Tablets (my label) publicised by Nassim Haramein around 2018
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JWrightBrain said:
Total brainstorming conjecture. I think we tend to overcomplicate explanations. What evidence do we have that would negate the idea that this is a very small item being moved about by a guy with a fishing pole? In SOME videos?
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- The same sound of a drone in the background in multiple clips filmed in different locations
- The orb gets quite far away more than once; you'd need one hell of a long pole
- Multiple methods could be used but it wouldn't really be necessary to switch from the drone method: it achieves everything the fishing pole method achieves and a lot more.

I guess the question would be: Which videos/clips do you think would be using the fishing pole method. But in general, the fishing pole method, to my eyes and ears at least, just doesn't seem consistent with what we're seeing & hearing.
 

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This saga has taken a dramatic turn with the timely discovery of a historical artifact confirming that the etched design on the sphere was indeed of alien origin (speculation notwithstanding)

Source: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLBb8O9MLt1/?igsh=MXVreGUxaXppazJvcA%3D%3D


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The style, design & "make it look old" techniques that appear to have been used (including 'rub mud into the grooves') strongly reminds me of the Hoaxy Stone Tablets (my label) publicised by Nassim Haramein around 2018
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- The same sound of a drone in the background in multiple clips filmed in different locations
- The orb gets quite far away more than once; you'd need one hell of a long pole
- Multiple methods could be used but it wouldn't really be necessary to switch from the drone method: it achieves everything the fishing pole method achieves and a lot more.

I guess the question would be: Which videos/clips do you think would be using the fishing pole method. But in general, the fishing pole method, to my eyes and ears at least, just doesn't seem consistent with what we're seeing & hearing.
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Wow, I didn't make the connection. The circuit motif is obvious, but it also incorporates elements of various pre-columbian motifs. This was one of a set of Mid Century Modern (MCM) glasses I scrounged up. It's the the Staff God from Tiwanaku. Note the lines ending in circles:

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Here's the actual carvings my glass was based off of:

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Maybe a combination of integrated circuits and Tiwanaku art forms.
 
Fin said:
The style, design & "make it look old" techniques that appear to have been used (including 'rub mud into the grooves') strongly reminds me of the Hoaxy Stone Tablets (my label) publicised by Nassim Haramein around 2018
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and that in turn reminds me of the hoaxed archelogical support for the Maussan mummies, coincidentally "discovered" by the same guy they bought the mummies from.
 
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the numbers don't match
numbers have mythological meaning
and in electrical circuits, the number of contacts has functional meaning
but they differ
as does the "writing system" on the glyph circles
 
Mendel said:
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the numbers don't match
numbers have mythological meaning
and in electrical circuits, the number of contacts has functional meaning
but they differ
as does the "writing system" on the glyph circles
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Also, the quality of the work is much higher on the one that is NOT supposed to be a highly advanced flying orb.
 
(Sorry, slight rant here. The annoying thing about all this social media crap is the sheer number of places these people post stuff to. Facebook, X, Reddit, TicTok, LinkedIn, Instagram, SubStack, YouTube and ones I'm not thinking of. And then some, like Instagram, limit what one can see without signing up. I get it, the social media companies want all of our collective eyeballs staring at their content 24/7 like a bunch of zombies, and the posters are all after that same group of screen staring zombies because people that don't have accounts at all these different outlets are irrelevant. And this is where a monumental archaeological discovery is presented?! Rant over.)

As a non-Instagramer I couldn't view geoalienz profile, but I did find another video showing that the disk has at least a suggested provenience. It should be noted, there are no grids or anything suggesting an organized excavation. They appear to have dug a hole and there it was. Perfectly level and horizontal. I guess if it's an accidental discovery, that might make sense.

goealienz seems very aware that the disk contains a mash-up of pre-Colombian motifs, Egyptian, and modern esoterica, suggesting a modern fake some sort of ancient technology sharing between unrelated cultures.

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Despite having a version of Lord Pacal on it, the disk was "discovered" a fair distance from the Mayan homeland near the Yucatan and Guatemala:

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But I guess that's irrelevant as Lord Pacal on this disk is also shown with a flying saucer very similar to the McMenimens Hotel Oregon saucer logo:

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Any of you Instagrammers out there that can look at goealienz profile and history?
 
NorCal Dave said:
(Sorry, slight rant here. The annoying thing about all this social media crap is the sheer number of places these people post stuff to. Facebook, X, Reddit, TicTok, LinkedIn, Instagram, SubStack, YouTube and ones I'm not thinking of. And then some, like Instagram, limit what one can see without signing up. I get it, the social media companies want all of our collective eyeballs staring at their content 24/7 like a bunch of zombies, and the posters are all after that same group of screen staring zombies because people that don't have accounts at all these different outlets are irrelevant. And this is where a monumental archaeological discovery is presented?! Rant over.)

As a non-Instagramer I couldn't view geoalienz profile, but I did find another video showing that the disk has at least a suggested provenience. It should be noted, there are no grids or anything suggesting an organized excavation. They appear to have dug a hole and there it was. Perfectly level and horizontal. I guess if it's an accidental discovery, that might make sense.

goealienz seems very aware that the disk contains a mash-up of pre-Colombian motifs, Egyptian, and modern esoterica, suggesting a modern fake some sort of ancient technology sharing between unrelated cultures.
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Any of you Instagrammers out there that can look at goealienz profile and history?
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Much Cthulhu, very wow:
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"100% Authentic" pre-1800 antiques also available on eBay, shipping from New Jersey:
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NorCal Dave said:
But I guess that's irrelevant as Lord Pacal on this disk is also shown with a flying saucer very similar to the McMenimens Hotel Oregon saucer logo:
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Erich von Däniken, writer of pseudoscientific garbage, made that image famous in his laughably speculative "Chariots of the Gods", which came out some time in the 1960s, if I recall. He claimed that recumbent position of Pacal indicated that he was an astronaut at the controls of his interstellar craft, a claim that I think had the result of winning him readers, but losing him any respect among serious people.
 
A conference was held in Mexico today featuring (organized by?) Jaime Maussan, centered around the 'Buga Sphere'. US House Representative Eric Burlison, often present for House Oversight hearings related to UAP, and an increasingly common guest on UAP-related podcasts, was both in attendance and seated between Maussan and Steven Greer, and actually spoke in front of the audience. I have watched none of it because I'm out right now. But I do see Eric Burlison speaking around 2:11:30 into the video. I don't know if he spoke at other times.


Source: https://youtu.be/hrYhPuZ28Z8
 
Kyle Ferriter said:
A conference was held in Mexico today featuring (organized by?) Jaime Maussan, centered around the 'Buga Sphere'. US House Representative Eric Burlison, often present for House Oversight hearings related to UAP, and an increasingly common guest on UAP-related podcasts, was both in attendance and seated between Maussan and Steven Greer, and actually spoke in front of the audience. I have watched none of it because I'm out right now. But I do see Eric Burlison speaking around 2:11:30 into the video. I don't know if he spoke at other times.


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As I have noted multiple times, I figured this was a marketing stunt for dowsing equipment, but if that's true, it's certainly become a whole lot more now. If I was wrong, one would suspect Mausson was involved from the beginning. That might explain the serendipitous discovery of the disk in Jalisco. Although, the disk could have been put together in a manner of days.
 
Ann K said:
Erich von Däniken, writer of pseudoscientific garbage, made that image famous in his laughably speculative "Chariots of the Gods", which came out some time in the 1960s, if I recall. He claimed that recumbent position of Pacal indicated that he was an astronaut at the controls of his interstellar craft, a claim that I think had the result of winning him readers, but losing him any respect among serious people.
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I believed him... Oh.
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Admittedly I was very young (pre-secondary school, I think about 10). The local library had several von Däniken books, and others in similar vein.

And I also had the picture of Pacal (though he wasn't named) in my copy of The World of the Unknown: UFOs, Ted Wilding-White, Usborne,1977, which has been mentioned by Irish/ UK posters here, not least because it shows kids how to fake a UFO photograph.

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I mean, that is so obviously a bloke in a space capsule!
Though in retrospect, it is possible that my knowledge of native American peoples and their cultures wasn't sufficient to provide appropriate context for this striking image.
 
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