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Possible MH370 Debris found on Reunion Island

CeruleanBlu

Senior Member.
A French report is raising the question of whether debris found on Reunion island came from MH370, and this question was quickly answered by folks on Twitter. The report shows the following photos:




The folks on Twitter, (after one of them suggested this was "from the plane shot down near Diego Garcia",) located a story of a competition sailing vessel that had lost it's rudder recently nearby, and found photos of the missing part in question, they do seem to be quite close.

This is the boat in question:


This is the rudder in question:



Taken from this video:

And where it was ripped from the hull:



And during construction:



For once, I think Twitter nailed this debunk before I had a chance to even look at it! So what do you folks think?
 
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CeruleanBlu

Senior Member.
@Mick West
My record time for solving a /r/WhatIsThisThing post is :49 seconds from the time the user posted it to the time I posted the answer, I was an addict for awhile!

:D

I noticed after posting here that the /r/MH370 subreddit came up with the same "it's a boat rudder" answer, after consulting with /r/Sailing.
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.
more possible sonar contacts

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2015/mh370-sonar-contacts.aspx

There are three classifications for sonar contacts which are identified during the course of the underwater search.

Classification 3 is assigned to sonar contacts that are of some interest as they stand out from their surroundings but have low probability of being significant to the search. The underwater search so far has identified more than 400 seabed features that have been classified as category 3.

Figure 1: ProSAS Synthetic Aperture Sonar – Category 3 Contact

ProSAS Synthetic Aperture Sonar_cat3_July_400x267.jpg

Educational Fact Sheet
Publication date: 29 July 2015


or from daily mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ia-Airlines-MH370-t-NOVEMBER-bad-weather.html

An Australian recovery team scouring the southern Indian ocean claims to have made significant finds they consider to most likely be parts of the MH370 wreckage.

The images are described as 'Category 3' sonar finds - images from the sonar scouring of the sea-bed are categorised as either 1, 2 or 3, with 3 being the most likely to be aircraft debris. They show two box-like images, and the other five long but very thin objects on the sea-bed.
 

sharpnfuzzy

Active Member
Seems like they're just making stuff up as they go along but I guess they don't call them The Daily Fail for nothing.

ATSB: "... low probability of being significant to the search."
Daily Mail: "... claims to have made significant finds they consider to most likely be parts of the MH370 wreckage."
 

Rob

Member
There has been speculation as to how long ago that flaperon first washed up onto the shore at Reunion. Some suspected as early as May.

On Jeff Wise' blog, Charles Griffiths, an emeritus professor of marine biology at the University of Cape Town, find compelling evidence in the barnacles attached to the piece :

http://jeffwise.net/2015/08/11/listening-to-barnacles/

I found that argument convincing.
 

TEEJ

Senior Member.
more possible sonar contacts

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2015/mh370-sonar-contacts.aspx

There are three classifications for sonar contacts which are identified during the course of the underwater search.

Classification 3 is assigned to sonar contacts that are of some interest as they stand out from their surroundings but have low probability of being significant to the search. The underwater search so far has identified more than 400 seabed features that have been classified as category 3.

Figure 1: ProSAS Synthetic Aperture Sonar – Category 3 Contact

View attachment 14361

Educational Fact Sheet
Publication date: 29 July 2015


or from daily mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ia-Airlines-MH370-t-NOVEMBER-bad-weather.html

An Australian recovery team scouring the southern Indian ocean claims to have made significant finds they consider to most likely be parts of the MH370 wreckage.

The images are described as 'Category 3' sonar finds - images from the sonar scouring of the sea-bed are categorised as either 1, 2 or 3, with 3 being the most likely to be aircraft debris. They show two box-like images, and the other five long but very thin objects on the sea-bed.

Phoenix on PPRuNe suggests that they might be engines?




http://www.pprune.org/9080586-post494.html
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.
tore off on impact sank together? tho the ocean depth means the fuselage wings drifting down could be miles away
 

Gridlock

Senior Member.
I love PPRuNe, but doesn't this mean that experts with access to the raw data have ruled these items out already?

I assumed the dark areas to the right were "sonar shadows", although not parallel they could be from a composite image.
 

sharpnfuzzy

Active Member
They look like two roughly square(ish) objects with sonar shadows and no surrounding debris. I don't think that they are the engines. A water impact strong enough to rip both engines off would not leave them in such pristine shape. Just look as some of the AWE1549 recovery photos. The engines suffered quite a bit of damage and one of them still remained attached.

 

Brock McEwen

New Member
Mick - re: post #16: E. van Sebille tweeted about an interactive graphic the NYT had to show his reverse drift at various times - I think he cited the same link you did.

Whether I follow your link or his, I can't find so much as your image, let alone the tool. Perhaps they've removed it. Did you manage to archive the interactive tool, as well, or just the image?

Also, in all of your graphics, it would be instructive to overlay precise representations of both the ISAT 7th Arc and the current ATSB fuel limit. As you know, the "defined search area" has been bounded by those two arcs since Oct.8.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
Mick - re: post #16: E. van Sebille tweeted about an interactive graphic the NYT had to show his reverse drift at various times - I think he cited the same link you did.

Whether I follow your link or his, I can't find so much as your image, let alone the tool. Perhaps they've removed it. Did you manage to archive the interactive tool, as well, or just the image?

Also, in all of your graphics, it would be instructive to overlay precise representations of both the ISAT 7th Arc and the current ATSB fuel limit. As you know, the "defined search area" has been bounded by those two arcs since Oct.8.

http://adrift.org.au/backward?lat=-22.3&lng=57.7&center=0&startmon=Jan
 

Brock McEwen

New Member
Thanks for the link to Sebille's own site - and I recognize the common core modelling would drive both - but I am actually trying to track down the NYT's interactive graphic they themselves built. Did you archive the whole interactive animation from the NYT site, or just the image you posted in #16?
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
Thanks for the link to Sebille's own site - and I recognize the common core modelling would drive both - but I am actually trying to track down the NYT's interactive graphic they themselves built. Did you archive the whole interactive animation from the NYT site, or just the image you posted in #16?
I think that image is all there was
 

CeruleanBlu

Senior Member.
An official announcement from French authorities, one of the three serial numbers located on this piece of debris from the original post has now been matched to MH370.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34145127


This announcement will certainly not appease all of those who have come to alternate conclusions based on non-evidence-based hypothesis, fear, anger, sadness, confusion, distrust of authority or for whichever reason that may have led them astray. However I honestly do hope that at least for some of the families of the victims of this tragedy will soon be finding the actual answers that they deserve.
 

Gridlock

Senior Member.
The next data to come from the item has to be method of detachment, I guess?

1) Mid-air breakup
2) Controlled ditching
3) Uncontrolled flight into ocean
 

Rob

Member
The next data to come from the item has to be method of detachment, I guess?

1) Mid-air breakup
2) Controlled ditching
3) Uncontrolled flight into ocean

Am I the only one who feels that this investigation is going at a snail's pace ?

Considering that a $ 100 million search effort is on the way, ANY piece of information we can extract from this flaperon could be helpful in constraining the search area or at least help adjust the probability density of the search areas.

For example, why is there no official statement about simple things like :

- How buoyant IS this flaperon exactly ? How much freeboard does it expose to the wind and how much remains below the surface line ? That could shed some light on the previous claims (by an anonymous researcher) on the conundrum that the entire flaperon must have been submerged, and also provide guidance for drift models.

- What caused the flaperon to detach from the plane (how did the hinges break) ?
Was that because of 'flutter' by excessive air movement or was this flaperon detached by an impact with a harder substance like water ?
Any qualified metallurgist should be able to tell the difference, but we hear nothing.

- Or even extremely simple facts like : which side of the plane is this flaperon ? Left or Right ?

According to guys working with the Inmarsat pings, MH370 must have followed an uncontrolled left turn during its final minutes :
http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/1461
which suggests that the RIGHT flaperon would have sustained the most severe 'flutter' and thus would be the most likely to detach.

Instead of some answers to such basic questions, all we have is :

That kind of evasive answers are deeply unsatisfying. Not only for researchers trying to pinpoint where MH370 went down, but most of all for the families of MH370 victims who still do not know what happened to their loved ones.
 
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TWCobra

Senior Member.
I think the amount of evidence that can be adduced from one piece of wreckage is necessarily limited. It's frustrating but probably unavoidable. True evidence needs to be cross referenced with other known data, of which there is scant.

I flew past IGARI two nights ago. It's a little unsettling...

image.jpg
 

txt29

Senior Member.
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derwoodii

Senior Member.

SR1419

Senior Member.
More possible wreckage found in Mozambique:



http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2016/03/11/another-mh370-wing-piece-found/
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.
from Pprune and dailymail


Debris believed to have come from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has washed up on an island east of Mauritius.Guests staying at a hotel on Rodrigues Island found what is thought to be wreckage from the plane that disappeared two years ago with 239 people on board while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The discovery comes after the Australian government confirmed debris found on a Mozambique beach is 'highly likely' to have come from the missing flight.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shed-island-east-Mauritius.html#ixzz44iXpeoz8


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http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...ound-reunion-mosambique-sa-5.html#post9331287


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CeruleanBlu

Senior Member.
A new report was released today, available in full here:

https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5770117/debris-examination-mh370_19april2016.pdf

I'll post the relevant items mentioned in the overview.

(Bold emphasis mine.)
 

tadaaa

Senior Member
reports of more debris being washed up in Madagascar


"New pieces of debris have been found in Madagascar by a man searching for parts of missing flight MH370. Blaine Gibson, who has already found possible debris in Mozambique, made the latest discovery on the east coast of Madagascar. One of the parts resembles an aeroplane seat part. Mr Gibson has sent images of the finds to investigators."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36495617
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.
and now suspected bits in Australia

http://www.smh.com.au/world/plane-d...-examined-for-mh370-link-20160609-gpftdf.html

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau will investigate if a piece of debris found washed up on the South Australian coast on Thursday afternoon has links to the missing Malaysian aircraft MH370.

A man who was searching the beach for driftwood discovered the debris, which appears to be from a plane, on the coast of Kangaroo Island at around 2.40pm ACST.

South Australian police collected the piece of wreckage, slightly larger than a shoebox, and will keep it until the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) picks it up to be examined.

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i looked to pprune for any hints or confirmation of pictured parts but its contributors yet to reveal knowledge

Kangaroo island a long way east but is in possible drift models

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tadaaa

Senior Member
looks like it has that same honeycomb material (third pic down) as pictured in the BBC piece below

similar colouring too

honeycomb.jpg
 

David Coulter

Senior Member.
From CNN....
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.
Wing part 'highly likely' from MH370, Australian officials say
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/30/asia/mh370-debris-tanzania/

(CNN)A large wing part recently found on a Tanzanian island "highly likely" came from missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, according to Australia's transport minister.

The piece of debris was found in late June on Pemba Island, in the Indian Ocean near the mainland. The piece, believed to be part of the outboard wing flap of the missing Boeing 777, was transported to Australia and analyzed by the country's Transport and Safety Bureau.


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