Please can ColtCabana share his/her eyewitness testimony
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I did. The 264 number of casualties can be traced to http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...ed-downward/NRpaz5mmvGquP7KMA6XsIK/story.html
Do you have any evidence to suggest otherwise?
Josh Heuer
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Actually, that photo qed showed was very shortly after the bomb went, probably within a minute. Here's how I know:
If you watch the blast, within about 1 minute they begin tearing the fences down. In the picture shown, the fences have not been messed with yet. It must have been within a minute or so of the blast.
Edit: I'm really not sure of what to make of that photo...it appears to be after the smoke has cleared, yet there's nobody at the fence line, when in the video I linked to there was almost always people at the fence line. Bizarre.
If you watch the blast, within about 1 minute they begin tearing the fences down. In the picture shown, the fences have not been messed with yet. It must have been within a minute or so of the blast.
Edit: I'm really not sure of what to make of that photo...it appears to be after the smoke has cleared, yet there's nobody at the fence line, when in the video I linked to there was almost always people at the fence line. Bizarre.
qed
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Please. There is absolutely no doubt about the time-stamping of these images. All can be checked at
http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-bombs-02/boston-bombs-02.htm
http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-1st-secs/boston-1st-secs.htm
http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-bystanders/boston-bystanders.htm
cosmic
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(link to the above)
I'm not sure it's as clear to readers as you may think. Could you please explain your position?
What is the nature of your concern?
What do you think you're seeing in the imagery?
About what are you deeply disturbed?
What exactly are you hoping to explain, or have explained to you?
What is "the real question" to which you allude?
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ColtCabana
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There was a ton of people watching from that side, though.
Cairenn
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I know that if I had been there or if 'heaven forbid', I am ever at something similar, my two first thoughts would be, 'get the heck out of here' and half a second later, 'can I help?'. I have no training as a medical professional, so the later would be limited. If one had children with them, you are going to get them away from the scene, even if you are injured somewhat. I am sure that many folks with minor injuries went to their personal doctors or minor care clinics, instead of to a busy and hectic ER.
qed
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There are 213 high resolution pictures (and growing) of the crime scenes from the time of smoke and people with hands over their ears. One can follow what happened in real time.
If you study the pictures of the crime scene, there are at most 40 (far less in fact but just picking a big margin) injured and two people with lost limbs. That is it.
We are missing 220 injured people and 12 people with missing limbs.
My question is "where are they?" and I was hoping Colt could tell us since he was on the crime scene 30 seconds after the bomb exploded.
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David Fraser
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I don't understand the premise of this thread. While I respect Coltcabana for his patience and willingness to give his story to then try to compare it to a few snapshots is ultimately pointless. An investigation certainly would not do that unless the witness was in the snapshot. I suspect that there is an agenda to try to get Coltcabana to give a testimony that could be manipulated to fit a theory.
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qed
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They must be in the pictures in the first seconds injured. It makes no difference when they reported, they must be injured at bomb time.
We can see everyone who is in the pictures. Look at the picture I posted and count the people.
We can then follow the second by second movements of each person. From two angles even, since there were two high speed cameras going.
There are no more than 40 injured (even less), so where are the other 220?
qed
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There are photos of both scenes. My totals are coming from both scenes.
I would be very pleased, however, with the assertion that "they must be at the other scene".
Would you like to assert this?
It would have been more honest to have posted the first image at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombings
Area of the first blast shortly after explosion
Even more honest would be to post the earlier photo showing all the people leaving the scene as quickly as they can. Not to mention the people how have already run off, and those hidden by the smoke.
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Cairenn
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Can you see a cut? a perforated eardrum? A debris scratch to a cornea? Chest bruises? A concussion ? Often in an explosion, limbs are mangled and will have to be removed at a hospital.
A picture does not show you much of what happened. This wasn't a movie set or a TV soundstage.
A picture does not show you much of what happened. This wasn't a movie set or a TV soundstage.
ColtCabana
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That makes more sense to me. Maybe the pictures were edited to not show the massive amount of people leaving.
qed, I saw people with injuries. Also, one of my friends works at Mass General and literally didn't get home from work until the day after the bombing. He can vouch for the many injuries that were sustained at the event.
You have this idea that if it's not in a photograph, then it doesn't exist. Do you also doubt the existence of, say, George Washington? All we have are paintings and accounts of him living, but no concrete proof.
The above large photo is taken exactly 24 seconds after the first explosion. In the video below, the explosion is at 6 seconds, the photo point is at 30 seconds. You see a man in a blue jacket guiding the old man with the orange vest who fell.
Walk for 24 seconds. How far did you get? What if you ran?
Walk for 24 seconds. How far did you get? What if you ran?
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It would have been more honest to have posted the first image at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombings
Area of the first blast shortly after explosion
That photo is 58 seconds after the blast. Timestamped 2:50:55, vs. 2:50:21 for the photo I posted, which was 24 seconds after. It's at 1:04 in the video:
The people trying to get through the barrier are closer to the finish line, and largely obscured by smoke and the flags.
Photo originals with time stamps:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/sets/72157633252445135/
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Josh Heuer
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At about 1:20 in this video it shows the bomb go off and the camera focuses on that area...you can see the mass crowd of people heading away from it, the one thing that strikes me as odd as I can clearly see someone in a pink hood and at least 2 other people run out of a building, against the crowd, towards the bomb area. The area fills with smoke so you can't make out anymore but I've noticed this since day 1 and have always found it odd. I'm sure the explanation will be 'they were running to help people' but I'm just a little skeptical of that...
ColtCabana
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Those people probably didn't know where to run. We didn't know. We honestly had no idea what the heck was going on.
If there's one thing I discovered from this entire ordeal, it's that it is very easy to sit behind a computer (like every single conspiracy theorist does) and say "this is how I would act in this situation." In reality, you cannot predict how your mind or anyone else's mind will work in a given circumstance. If you told me on April 14th what I would do if a bomb exploded, I would probably say "immediately help people." In actuality, I didn't run to immediately help people. I ran away from the bomb. I was scared and running on pure instinct. I eventually made my way over to help (as I was pushed that way from the second bomb going off) but still.
TL;DR - Until you're in the situation, you can't dictate or predict how someone will react.
Josh Heuer
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Didn't know where to run?
But, they ran out of a building and an entire crowd was running in one direction. You can see the pink hoodie person practically have to fight to get through this crowd which is clearly heading in one direction, before the smoke engulfs the area.
You weren't as close to the bomb, so people near you didn't have as much of an idea where to run. These people were right there and were clearly all running away.
You're right. We don't know how we would react in that situation. But I see something fishy.
ColtCabana
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People were running in both directions from the bomb. We could see it from our vantage point. They were running both east and west on Boylston away from the first bomb. Once the second bomb went off, more people ran towards where the first bomb went off or filtered into a neighboring street like Newbury.
Josh Heuer
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Yes, they were running east and west, away from the bomb. Instinctually most likely. the entire crowd dictated that. i'm not talking about people who weren't near the bomb.
Irrelevant. That was well after what I mentioned.
Pete Tar
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Like what? Guys with blood in bottles ready to soak the scene or going to set up the 'actors' for their role?
What the hell are you saying?
So what if you see something fishy?
What makes your definition of fishy worth anything?
Something fishy? No you don't. You see something that you can't immediately figure out what it is. That's not "fishy". That's just the natural result of indistinct video and perspective.
The pink think you see is probably this woman carrying a pink pompom, who first runs towards the badly injured people, stands there for a while, and then runs away.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/8652831303/sizes/k/in/set-72157633252445135/
Not everyone simply runs away in such a situation. Some people want to help. Some people have family and friends nearby. Some people are just highly confused.
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Josh Heuer
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Something fishy? No you don't. You see something that you can't immediately figure out what it is. That's not "fishy". That's just the natural result of indistinct video and perspective.
The pink think you see is probably this woman carrying a pink pompom, who first runs towards the badly injured people, stands there for a while, and then runs away.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/8652831303/sizes/k/in/set-72157633252445135/
Not everyone simply runs away in such a situation. Some people want to help. Some people have family and friends nearby. Some people are just highly confused.
But the real damning evidence comes from the bomb itself. Once you understand bombs and how this could not have happened as portrayed in video and photographs, it's pretty easy to see how this was just Boston Urban Shield played out live.
If you don't know this, you're stuck seeing it as a real bomb site, with real victims. To the untrained eye this looks like a real bomb site.
It was actually done very well.
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Any evidence?
Please be more specific if you are going to make world-shattering claims like that. At least include some references to how such bombs work, examples of similar bomb scenes, and specific differences with sourced equations and figures.
In a new, focussed, thread.
JRBids
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I know you've been told this already, but some people left the scene. You could be injured and still able to leave the scene. I'm sure even seconds after the blast people high tailed it out of the vicinity. Some could have been badly injured and on adrenaline. I had a friend who dove off a boat and broke her neck. She kept insisting she wasn't hurt.
SR1419
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So, please provide this damning evidence and help us understand.
Josh Heuer
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What bomb?
I didn't witness it.
If you have a theory please provide instead of being obtuse.
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