New "War on Science" book

I think science is, sadly, under attack from both sides of the political spectrum.
Yes, right-wing governments distrust or are actively working to dismantle scientific and academic institutions, because of perceived "wokeness", but there is also a kernel of truth in their reasoning.

I've always been instinctively liberal and left-of-centre, but just as the right has moved further right, so the left has moved further left, and academia seems especially susceptible to left-wing fads and fashions.
just so I'm clear, you're presenting "actively working to dismantle scientific institutions" as equivalent to "left-wing fads and fashions".

Science has always had "fads and fashions". When the government attempts to shut down entire fields for ideological reasons, that's different.
 
And on social media you seldom come across 'normal people'...

It often seems politics is so tribal nowadays that any policy, no matter how common-sense, will be vilified if it originates from "the other side". The notion that there are certain common goals that should be pursued for the good of society, regardless of partisan ideas, seems to have disappeared.

I don't think it's just the notion that's disappeared, I think the gamut of "common goals" has shrunk over time. Some of the things that one side genuinely believes is for the good of society - their noble aim - is considered as being to the detriment of society by the other side. And one doesn't have to resort to anything particularly extreme to find examples (anything you can imagine anyone describing unironically as "survival of the unfittest" would be a likely fit, for example).
 
just so I'm clear, you're presenting "actively working to dismantle scientific institutions" as equivalent to "left-wing fads and fashions".

Science has always had "fads and fashions". When the government attempts to shut down entire fields for ideological reasons, that's different.
No I'm not saying they are equivalent. Just because one is worse doesn't mean they can't both be undesirable.
 
Deirdre's the visual one in the room, I expect nothing less than an exquisite modelling clay piece.
modeling clay sucks . I would go for decoupage.

or if i wasn't in the mood to be crafty*, i would use your method of interpretive dance...when she gave me an F for not including a visual representation with my blurb, i would impress her with my mental twists and turns and plies as i argue that the written word is in fact a visual representation.

*see what i did there?
 
I don't think it's just the notion that's disappeared, I think the gamut of "common goals" has shrunk over time. Some of the things that one side genuinely believes is for the good of society - their noble aim - is considered as being to the detriment of society by the other side. And one doesn't have to resort to anything particularly extreme to find examples (anything you can imagine anyone describing unironically as "survival of the unfittest" would be a likely fit, for example).
Quoting this one because it's a good post and just saw this thread. As to your post a bit ago though, I may pick it up and give it a read. Will review here if so.

On this though. There's a point I like framing here because a lot of folks kinda do recognize this but don't have a concept to put to it - I've not found a held term for this specific level of reference either (there are for parts of the dynamic).

So, when we talk about the concept of polarization in society, we are technically speaking to the highest level of explanation still in psych terms, but kind of at the lowest rung of that level. Going from that, there's an interesting thing that never really gets spoken of objectively, and that is what I just literally call a "point of no return". This will differ dependent on a world of factors, but there tends to be an escalation cycle where grievances can become so severe, that it becomes intimately difficult for a large part of ingroups to even be able to process the other group(s) as anything but a threat purely from existing.
In individual terms, this will express either in what could be broadly categorized as radicalization or segregation-ism. Generally the ingroup itself will start out primarily segregationist before shifting to becoming more radicalized over time. There is no actual er, democratic way to "fix" this once the line is crossed, because all the good-faith democratic ways to bring these groups together will not work, there's no systemic support for it within the ingroups themselves. In fact, there are 1 of 2 paths every nation facing this has taken in history. We actually disincentivize and degrade the 1 known path that has ever seen good success. The other path has (bad) successes too but for absolutely horrible reasons we should not even toy with the idea of (and is generally the result of the "fix" being started too late and 1 not being possible - or actual horrible leaders).

Now, the only area this does frequently get brought up in, but wholly subjective, is when you hear people go like "X country/empire/x fell" because of *insert widescale social problems*. We all see the stupid right-wing takes on that, the left does a bit better and far more factual but tends to shorten it to focusing on those specific grievances from specific groups frames rather than society as a system and how the system itself works. In nearly any of these examples named, the above sequence has played out, just no one really talks to it on that level.

This itself also does not discredit or put down any specific grievances, even ones that are only perceptive, it's integrated into it and is the reason why it gets to that point. As a very relevant and unfortunate example here in the US currently, we are seeing radicalization indicators skyrocket with audiences flop from the usual, and it's not very hard to find sentiments promoting political segregation. The levels on the other side didn't magically go away they're still sky high too. The thing is most do have factual, legitimate grievances (eg minority populations with racism, LGBTQ populations, etc). What we've been increasingly seeing the past few years is both a) the perception that the mere existence of the other ingroup is an existential threat and b) necessitated for the survival of the group and its members, the other has to be disenfranchised, segregated from, or since the inauguration we've seen calls for violence (destruction of the conflicted outgroup) specifically go up massively.

Speaking to this in a systems regard also requires setting aside our own perceptions and feelings sometimes to figure out how to actually approach problems while keeping the system itself in balance. For example, outgroup metaperceptions (what an ingroup thinks an outgroup thinks of them) tend to be negatively exaggerated an overwhelming majority of the time. That doesn't mean real problems don't exist, because they do and that is what enables the cycle (eg LGBTQ hatred, absolutely exists), but what it does mean it's very likely the ingroups will exaggerate the frequency of those issues or specific beliefs in a manner that is negative. For example the concept of "microaggressions" are largely things the other person may not actually think of as being offensive/aggressive, but the person experiencing it may, for any number of reasons , come to the conclusion that the other person (in the respective outgroup) did it because they hated them and did so intentionally.
That'd be true for everyone, though what specific % would of course differ, it'd likely still remain as an overwhelming majority of occurrences (I've yet to see any study from anywhere across the globe where it skewed under 50% of the time, all I've seen are between 50s-80%). You can find a lot about this under the term "metastereotype" too and there's actually a lot of good studies using that term that reflect the negative exaggeration alongside accuracy in indicating the problem itself. A lot of the ones that just use metaperception unfortunately gloss over the accuracy w/ the problem itself point, always important to include that when discussing this since both factors there are true in occurrence.
 
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Speaking to this in a systems regard also requires setting aside our own perceptions and feelings sometimes to figure out how to actually approach problems while keeping the system itself in balance. For example, outgroup metaperceptions (what an ingroup thinks an outgroup thinks of them) tend to be negatively exaggerated an overwhelming majority of the time. That doesn't mean real problems don't exist, because they do and that is what enables the cycle (eg LGBTQ hatred, absolutely exists), but what it does mean it's very likely the ingroups will exaggerate the frequency of those issues or specific beliefs in a manner that is negative. For example the concept of "microaggressions" are largely things the other person may not actually think of as being offensive/aggressive, but the person experiencing it may, for any number of reasons , come to the conclusion that the other person (in the respective outgroup) did it because they hated them and did so intentionally.
We had, not too many years ago, the concept of "politically correct" speech. Much as it was vilified by some, it meant that a person's racism/misogyny/homophobia (etc) was best kept to oneself in polite society, and for the most part people realized that the explicit hatred in those attitudes was not socially acceptable. That's gone now, unfortunately, and in the USA and other countries people at the highest ranks of government and society feel empowered to "let it all hang out" and spout even the nastiest of comments in public spaces. That has allowed those attitudes to be mainstreamed. I desperately hope that hate speech is not the "point of no return" which you mention, but I fear it is.
 
Related to the friendly debate on Sabine Hossenfelder in the YouTube recommendation thread, she actually provided a review for this book:

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While the Trump regime eviscerates science, Sabine Hossenfelder, a German physicist by training turned science YouTuber, published a video whose thumbnail states in large red letters, "Academia is Communism." And an upcoming book called The War on Science, written by a coalition of grievance-mongers including Lawrence Krauss, Peter Boghossian, and Gad Saad, received a glowing, official endorsement from Hossenfelder: "Higher education isn't what it used to be," she wrote. "Cancel Culture and DEI have caused many to keep their mouths shut. Not so the authors of this book."
I am quoting an article, Sabine Hossenfelder Asks If Science Is Dying. It's Not., that itself quotes Ms. Hossenfelder because I think the article is good in addition to just the particular quote.

And reminder that Ms. Hossenfelder openly blames her lack of success in the field of physics on being a woman. So she is obsessed with attacking DEI (a caricature of it, really) when DEI movements exist to prevent the exact discrimination she faced. (As usual, to pre-empt bad faith responses: yes some bad things happen under the banner of DEI, like rare, weird talks where the speaker puts down all white people.)
 
We had, not too many years ago, the concept of "politically correct" speech. Much as it was vilified by some, it meant that a person's racism/misogyny/homophobia (etc) was best kept to oneself in polite society, and for the most part people realized that the explicit hatred in those attitudes was not socially acceptable. That's gone now, unfortunately, and in the USA and other countries people at the highest ranks of government and society feel empowered to "let it all hang out" and spout even the nastiest of comments in public spaces. That has allowed those attitudes to be mainstreamed. I desperately hope that hate speech is not the "point of no return" which you mention, but I fear it is.
A slightly more hopeful take would be that if such attitudes are forced underground and are kept internal, they may be more likely to fester and metastasize. If they are open, they can be refuted and opinions can be, maybe, changed.
 
We had, not too many years ago, the concept of "politically correct" speech. Much as it was vilified by some, it meant that a person's racism/misogyny/homophobia (etc) was best kept to oneself in polite society, and for the most part people realized that the explicit hatred in those attitudes was not socially acceptable. That's gone now, unfortunately, and in the USA and other countries people at the highest ranks of government and society feel empowered to "let it all hang out" and spout even the nastiest of comments in public spaces. That has allowed those attitudes to be mainstreamed. I desperately hope that hate speech is not the "point of no return" which you mention, but I fear it is.
The "point of no return" is more a cumulative set of factors related to cognitive, psychological, and behavioral impact from widely shared experiences within the ingroup. Hate speech and various dynamics related to it (specific words, conduct, the persons individual impact from prior life experiences, etc) all are part of it's not a single thing. Since this exact concept isn't really termed or studied this way as far as I'm aware, there's no real backed indicators for it. Although, just from personal ideating, I don't think you could make cookie cutter indicators from this due to how many factors are involved vs creating one per society referenced.
Here in the US, slightly adjusting from a polarization indicator itself, I think a good one reflecting being near/at that point would be "politically correct" speech being dropped by its proponents, rather than by adopters. For example on why, a lot of RW politicians may only adopt it for reputational reasons and readily drop it when the environment wont be as negatively impactful, using them as the root for the indicator would end up making it a poor indicator.
Another good one would be using a mix of data analytics, populace polling, and a few different supporting applied sciences (like social psych) to monitor either isolated conflict between two discernable ingroups which make up a predominate part of society, or alternatively as more of a cascade across many discernable ingroups within society. Then you'd specifically look for those features of increasing beliefs (aligned with behavior) reflecting segregation-ism, you could look for marked increases in exaggerated metaperceptions with perceived threat outcomes alongside willingness to commit violence, etc. There's actually frameworks and stuff that happens in this regard already but it's usually narrowed to things like supporting NGOs or governments/militaries in understanding conflict zones they're operating in, so, adjusting the indicators themselves isn't entirely baseless in context.

Also important part on the point-of-no-return, hard to lay out theories like this in short so maybe framed a bit bad above. This doesn't always mean it's a society ender or anything, just brought up in that context. It can happen in isolated contexts between a specific ingroup-outgroup, although that does leave social and political system support for reconciliation pathways. The actual society wide context would be more relevant when this is either, or both, discernable across two groups which make up a predominate part of society, or alternatively when the conflicting is escalating on a societal wide scale vs isolated between two groups (going back to the indicator ref above). The social and political systems within the society also become fractured and/or degraded to the point those reconciliation pathways are not supported at that level.
This goes into those 2 paths I mentioned. The 1 with "good successes" is a bit odd to digest sometimes. It's unification. Unfortunately, ingroups and their outgroups will always conflict. Our natural human instinct will be to conflict over lowest denominator, which will first up usually be things readily observable such as race, gender, physical appearance, political affiliation in some societies, etc. Unless there is intentional human intervention in this dynamic, it generally will lead to actual open conflict (eg violence, eugenics, slavery or other forms of disenfranchisement and abuse, etc). We have likely all experienced this already. How often do we hear about generic school bullies stopping when no one intervenes and the person being bullied does not also?
What "unification" actually means is hard to swallow though. Outside of being insanely difficult since it has to be actively controlled constantly (why it largely fails, especially the more successive administrations/presidencies/regimes/etc it goes through), this also generally means subconsciously influencing large parts of society to orient focus around shared problems, and combatting those shared problems. You then forge new ingroups through this mutually beneficial engagement, where you actively chip away those readily-available factors and offer new ones up on a platter. This then creates a new unified identity which you can forge into an ingroup of its own, although you can't stop there or it will naturally split again. This is true from the kingdoms in Abrahamic religious scripture, through ancient China, empires throughout the Middle East, Rome and the Byzantine Empire; all the way through things such as only partly the USSR and modern China in concept theory.
They all largely had/have developed concepts for this with their own cultural twists to them based off their respective experiences. People do dislike this though because, for example, it would require controlling and influencing certain discourse, even if reasonable, that may cause unaccountable imbalances. Concept theory is important here because, obviously, some of those examples did horrible things path 2 covers in practicality, although their actual theory behind it isn't necessarily intended that way (as an external example, plenty of examples where communism nearly always goes wrong in practice but is fair to point out it's not explicitly held in theory, thus there's debates on it amongst communists even).
For folks who may know some things about countering radicalization, or programs to rehabilitate folks away from racism and etc - and even influence operations. This is a strategy used in all of those with tiny twists for respective objectives. You also need to go all hands on actually fixing the underlying problems also, they will be a massive, if not impassable barrier to trying to achieve that unified identity even, let alone the ability to formulate it into a discernable ingroup.

The 2nd form we see is when it takes a darker turn and decision makers, based upon their respective ingroup stances and/or personal desires, begin to project their own specific perceptions as policy to correct this issue. This is how you get things like China's forced attempts at cultural identity changes to 'force' people into the unified national identity. This is wrong, this also never works, not worth considering anything related to that path. Keeping to the US as an example, if we were to get past that point socially (not just at it but past it), this would sadly be the result we see because the ideas to enable the other path are largely considered bad. We just, don't really consider the opposite it forces. Historically there's yet to be a medium, and US ability to implement influence concepts at all is far poorer than the public may presume (even if this admin did magically become the best rose in the garden, if it was too late "fixing" the implementation issue there it'd be too late).
We see some light indicators of shared support for this, although, noting again its more from not recognizing the overall dynamic vs knowing and choosing. As an example, support for fact checking, rapid response, and removing posts that're manipulative or issued is very high. These in fact aggravate grievances with one ingroup, to correct in favor of another. Generally we don't do anything to account for this besides further message things that aggravate their grievances. If you fuse intentional narratives into a national identity, all of those 3 are irrelevant because the impact will be preemptively neutralized by the pre-set narratives. They already hold predominancy and the manipulative content would not be able to take footing. This is also one of the reasons objective study tends to find these don't work most of the time outside very specific circumstances that are not the most common use (such as how military PA teams may tactically use it). Leaving out a right leaning example on that one since it's very observable unfortunately.

As a side point, we can totally draw up indicators of which path one may be going down there. You could largely consider things like leaderships political orientation and their personal biases, and how readily they project these biases. You could also take some of the specific psychographic data like willingness to do X and specifically narrow to decision makers. You can look at predominate social forces in society also with the same factors, with specific consideration on how exactly, and what gravity (if at all) they influence the decision makers.
 
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Enjoying Sokal presently, he makes his points coherently and in a balanced fashion. I've even lifted several of his more poignant sentences out of his writings to add to my rotating email .sig file.

However, after my morning read, I now feel inspired to express my views on what I've read using Duplo:
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However, I'm not sure I'm advanced enough for that:
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Both extracted from https://phipps.space/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/gender-theory-syllabus.pdf
which is "a thirteen-week syllabus on different aspects of gender and feminist theory, for upper-undergraduate and postgraduate students. It contains key and suggested readings and suggested preparation tasks and seminar activities." (https://phipps.space/lecturers/ )

Whilst searching for that, I couldn't find any of the original photos taken of the work (which is why I refer to Duplo, apparently her students weren't advanced enough for actual Lego, and people called her out on it), but I did come across a Gad Saad video which is full of his usual snarcasm.
To be honest after browsing through this sample syllabus I can't quite see the problem. This modelling activity is simply one of four separate suggested activities for a single week's seminar. If this syllabus were taught in full to a class, by the end of it the students would have read and discussed around fifteen "key readings", almost all of them dense academic articles, ranging from four pages to sixty pages in length. Furthermore each week would presumably include one or more of the "seminar preparation tasks", most of them videos of lectures or interviews. That's not even getting into each week's further suggested readings, or the seminar activities, or whatever other assignments the class might involve.

And of course, the typical college student in a class like this would likely also be taking anywhere from 2 to 4 other classes of varying difficulty. Playing with clay or duplo or paints for one seminar early in the term would probably be (a) fun and stress-relieving and (b) a helpful tool for engaging students in a way that forces them to think somewhat out of their comfort zone.

Frankly speaking, I've taken too many classes filled with bored, disengaged, uninterested students because of faulty teaching methods to have any criticism left within me for an instructor who is attempting to do something interesting with the class. And on the flip side, I've taken too many classes filled with engaged, stimulated, genuinely interested students to have any criticism for these ostensibly childish class activities. The childish activities are often the ones most effective at disarming the cynicism that many students have internalized through a lifetime of exposure to mediocre teaching practices.
 
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