New fuel dump "chemtrail" video [Munich, Thai Airways Flight 925]

[JFDee]

A new fuel dump video appeared on Youtube, titled "This is a spray plane":

The supposed recording date is today, July 15th 2015. A short search brought up an incident from today at Munich:

A Thai Airways Boeing 747-400, registration HS-TGB performing flight TG-925 from Munich (Germany) to Bangkok (Thailand), was climbing out of Munich when the crew stopped the climb at FL180 reporting a problem with the flaps control, entered a hold to work the problem, dumped fuel and returned to Munich for a safe landing on runway 26L about 2:20 hours after departure.

http://avherald.com/h?article=489578d3

This is the incident caught in the video.

The Thai Airways livery matches the plane in the video nicely (see last still at the end)

This is the interrupted flight on Flightradar24:

 

[MikeG]

The fuel system schematic for the 747-400 is available on the Boeing website

http://www.boeing-747.com/boeing-747-internals/

 

[TWCobra]

Dane Wigington has posted the following video on his Geoengineering Watch site, claiming it to be undeniable evidence of "particulate spraying"

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/undeniable-video-footage-of-wing-tip-aerosol-spraying/

It is a Thai Airways 747 that experienced a flap retraction problem flying out of Munich.

http://avherald.com/h?article=489578d3&opt=0

Incident: Thai B744 near Munich on Jul 15th 2015, problems with flaps control

By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, Jul 15th 2015 20:32Z, last updated Wednesday, Jul 15th 2015 20:32Z


A Thai Airways Boeing 747-400, registration HS-TGB performing flight TG-925 from Munich (Germany) to Bangkok (Thailand), was climbing out of Munich when the crew stopped the climb at FL180 reporting a problem with the flaps control, entered a hold to work the problem, dumped fuel and returned to Munich for a safe landing on runway 26L about 2:20 hours after departure.

The aircraft could not retract its flaps. Standard procedure is to dump fuel as the drag from the flaps and altitude limitations for them being extended makes continuation of the flight impossible.

Of note in Wigingtons report is, even though the dump is clearly taking place from the dump valves on the outer wing, the regurgitation of the pylon drain explanation from behind the engines.

Debunked.

 

[deirdre]

Standard procedure is to dump fuel

and the reason for that is because airplanes cant land that heavy right? so they need to dump fuel to lighten the load.

 

[MikeC]

Yes - mostly only larger aircraft tho' - those with vast ranges carry huge fuel loads that take them a long way over their max landing weight. Smaller and shorter ranged aircraft do not carry so much fuel.

the restriction is due to the loads created on landing gear and structure by vertical deceleration on touchdown - the vertical speed is pretty much defined by the aircraft speed and the standard 3 degree approach path, so the only way to manage the load at this point is to manage the mass of the aircraft.

 

[JFDee]

The uploader of the original Youtube video has confirmed it was recorded near Salzburg, Austria, around 3:20 pm on July 15th.
There is no more doubt that he captured HS-TGB dumping fuel.

He has obviously accepted that this is a fuel dump which was also stated in the comments quite often. I suggest pointing doubters to the original video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui9TtL3r7P0

 

[MikeC]

Has anyone commented on the geowatch page that it's a fuel dump??

I just did and wonder if others have but haven't been accepted?

 

[skephu]

Dane already answered that preemptively:

There are those who will claim the spraying in this video is "just a fuel dump". First, how could such a conclusion be proven? The same "official agencies" that tell us we are only seeing condensation trails in our skies are the ones telling us that the type of spraying in this video is "just a fuel dump". Second, if this video does show a fuel dump (which could never be proven), why in the world should we feel better about that? The dumping of aerosolized jet fuel into the atmosphere is likely much more toxic than the geoengineering aerosols. What this video proves is that the jet aircraft trails we see in our sky's are not condensation trails, they are sprayed dispersions. Those that speculate on the composition of those dispersions have absolutely no way of knowing what the actual composition is. Any insinuation that we should not be concerned about a potential massive jet fuel dump is irrational.

 

[Hama Neggs]

Dane already answered that preemptively:

There are those who will claim the spraying in this video is "just a fuel dump". First, how could such a conclusion be proven? The same "official agencies" that tell us we are only seeing condensation trails in our skies are the ones telling us that the type of spraying in this video is "just a fuel dump". Second, if this video does show a fuel dump (which could never be proven), why in the world should we feel better about that? The dumping of aerosolized jet fuel into the atmosphere is likely much more toxic than the geoengineering aerosols. What this video proves is that the jet aircraft trails we see in our sky's are not condensation trails, they are sprayed dispersions. Those that speculate on the composition of those dispersions have absolutely no way of knowing what the actual composition is. Any insinuation that we should not be concerned about a potential massive jet fuel dump is irrational.

It's not a fuel dump, because... well, PROVE IT!, and if it IS a fuel dump, that's STILL REALLY BAD!

 

[deirdre]

Not as bad as a plane full of passengers exploding on landing because the tanks are too full.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Dane Wigington has posted the following video on his Geoengineering Watch site, claiming it to be undeniable evidence of "particulate spraying"

Of note in Wigingtons report is, even though the dump is clearly taking place from the dump valves on the outer wing, the regurgitation of the pylon drain explanation from behind the engines.

Debunked.

Dane Wigington is desperate and getting very sloppy. When he wrote this he didn't recognize that he was shedding doubt on his own claims:

Those that speculate on the composition of those dispersions have absolutely no way of knowing what the actual composition is.

 

[skephu]

Dane is busy deleting comments and banning commenters hinting at fuel dumps on his Facebook page.

 

[scombrid]

What this video proves is that the jet aircraft trails we see in our sky's are not condensation trails, they are sprayed dispersions.

Fuel dumps evaporate and do not persist like persistent contrails.

 

[Trailblazer]

Clear evidence that the plane in question is the Thai 747:

1) Matching livery:

Grab from video:

747 in Thai Airways livery: note logo on tail and stripe pattern on rear of fuselage.

2) Matching time and location:

The original video was uploaded by YouTube user "blackdogshow" here:



From the comments, where he was asked when and where it was filmed:

This image of the flight track was posted on Twitter at 3.44pm Austrian time on July 15:

 

[deirdre]

since the plane in your flight radar is painted different. just pointing out to readers that the plane ID # is bottom right "HS-TGB" --click on pic to see the plane ID number better

http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/100380/hs-tgb-thai-airways-boeing-747-400/

 

[Trailblazer]

since the plane in your flight radar is painted different. just pointing out to readers that the plane ID # is bottom right "HS-TGB"
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Yes, FR24 just shows a default 747 plane image there.

The Thai plane I showed was not the exact same aircraft: I chose it because the angle was a better match to the video. My pic was HS-TGK.

 

[TWCobra]

since the plane in your flight radar is painted different. just pointing out to readers that the plane ID # is bottom right "HS-TGB"
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That is the default livery when they dont have the actual.

 

[Mick West]

I've merged the three thread together here.

 

[skephu]

Dane removes all comments mentioning the possibility of a fuel dump on his facebook pages:

Ron Barney's comment disappeared.

Kristian Smith Bub's comment disappeared.
Yesterday, there was another one that disappeared but I didn't take a screenshot.

 

[JDubyah]

Another issue with claiming this is a 'particulate spraying plane' or chemtrail plane, is that a 'chemtrail' is supposed to differ from a contrail in that a chemtrail is long-lived while a contrail is short-lived. Another trail that's short-lived is a fuel dump, because dumped jet fuel disperses and evaporates pretty quickly.

The camera, or the editing, in this video focuses on the trails of dumped fuel close to the plane, and aside from a brief bit in the beginning, doesn't show these trails disappearing rather quickly behind the aircraft. If the cameraman panned out and allowed us to see the lifespan of the trail, it would show that this doesn't match the profile of a persistent contrail/chemtrail.

 

[JFDee]

this doesn't match the profile of a persistent contrail/chemtrail.

Well, I can see why he concentrated on the fact that the trail originated from the wingtips, which is indeed unusual enough. And - as one comment said there - technically, this is a spraying plane ...

I don't know what exactly his beliefs are w/ regard to chemtrails, but he did not purge skeptical comments as far as I'm aware of, which is quite commendable.

 

[JDubyah]

Well, I can see why he concentrated on the fact that the trail originated from the wingtips, which is indeed unusual enough. And - as one comment said there - technically, this is a spraying plane ...

I don't know what exactly his beliefs are w/ regard to chemtrails, but he did not purge skeptical comments as far as I'm aware of, which is quite commendable.

Semantics maybe.. but it's not a "spray plane" even if it is a plane that's dumping/spraying excess fuel. It's just a regular plane going through a normal, if relatively uncommon, procedure.

But yes, the comments on the YouTube page are at least open to anyone's input.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Perhaps Dane expects an overweight plane to just crash land rather than jettison fuel?
Perhaps he should be happy for the families who were on board that they were able to jettison the fuel and land safely.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

A few minutes ago I challenged Dane Wigington about his own sensationalism in his claims about this video:

This permalink is currently taking you directly to my comment. It will be interesting to see how he handles a direct challenge on this.

https://www.facebook.com/geoenginee...otal_comments=16&comment_tracking={"tn":"R1"}


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[Spectrar Ghost]

Second post deleted. Didn't take long.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

I'm still seeing my posting so far at this link:

https://www.facebook.com/geoenginee...otal_comments=16&comment_tracking={"tn":"R1"}

 

[Spectrar Ghost]

I see the first, but not the one linking here. Then one referring to the above two postings, when there is only one?

 

[skephu]

Yes, the link was deleted, but the other two posts are still there.

By the way, the maker of the original video of the Thai plane has confirmed that the registration number of the plane is readable on the underside of the left wing in the 1080p version of the video (the youtube version is only 480p). And he confirmed it is HS-TGB.

 

[JRBids]

Dane already answered that preemptively:

There are those who will claim the spraying in this video is "just a fuel dump". First, how could such a conclusion be proven? The same "official agencies" that tell us we are only seeing condensation trails in our skies are the ones telling us that the type of spraying in this video is "just a fuel dump". Second, if this video does show a fuel dump (which could never be proven), why in the world should we feel better about that? The dumping of aerosolized jet fuel into the atmosphere is likely much more toxic than the geoengineering aerosols. What this video proves is that the jet aircraft trails we see in our sky's are not condensation trails, they are sprayed dispersions. Those that speculate on the composition of those dispersions have absolutely no way of knowing what the actual composition is. Any insinuation that we should not be concerned about a potential massive jet fuel dump is irrational.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!

 

[JRBids]

Dane is busy deleting comments and banning commenters hinting at fuel dumps on his Facebook page.

Was going to just post the link to the original video there, but he has me pre-emptively blocked.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

There is a lot of deleting going around.

 

[JFDee]

I did post the link to the original video, without even discussing it in any way. It seems to be all gone now though, including Jay's posts.

 

[JRBids]

That was what I was going to do JFDee, just post it in someone's comments and try to slip it through.

 

[cmnit]

This new fuel dumping video is now heavily reposted by supporters of chemtrail theory in Italy, from the FB account "The repugnant pilot".