Debunked: Wingtip Chemtrails over London [Fuel Dump, New Jersey, 2010]

[Mick West]

This supposed photo of "chemtrails" over London in 2013


Is actually a jet dumping fuel over New Jersey, USA, in 2010. And hence is a hoax.

Uploaded on May 9, 2010

Continental Airlines 777 Jet with 275 passengers and 16 crew dumping fuel over New Jersey on Sunday May 9 2010

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A Continental Airlines flight bound for Tokyo made an emergency landing at Newark Liberty International Airport today about an hour after takeoff, following what officials have called a hydraulic problem.Continental Flight 9, which departed Newark at 11:25 a.m., landed back at the airport at 12:15 p.m., said Julie King, a Continental spokeswoman. None of the 275 passengers or 16 crew members was hurt. The plane had been bound for Narita International Airport in Tokyo.

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Planes dump fuel when their trips are cut short, as they can't land when too heavy (they can take off though, obviously). See:

Fuel dumping (or a fuel jettison) is a procedure used by aircraft in certain emergency situations before a return to the airport shortly after takeoff, or before landing short of its intended destination (emergency landing) to either lighten the aircraft's weight or to reduce risk of fire.

Aircraft have two major types of weight limits: the maximum takeoff weight and the maximum structural landing weight, with the maximum structural landing weight almost always being the lower of the two. This allows an aircraft on a normal, routine flight to take off at the higher weight, consume fuel en route, and arrive at a lower weight.

It is the abnormal, non-routine flight where landing weight can be an problem. If a flight takes off at the maximum takeoff weight and then faces a situation where it must return to the departure airport (due to certain mechanical problems, or a passenger medical problems), there will not be time to consume the fuel meant for getting to the original destination, and the aircraft may exceed the maximum landing weight to land at the departure point. If an aircraft lands at more than its maximum allowable weight it might suffer structural damage, or even break apart on landing.

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[NoParty]

 

[WeedWhacker]

Fuel dump (EDIT...already covered, I see!!)

AND it was NOT "over London".

That was COA 009 (the advert?? If you get one, PLEASE ignore!!):

ATC link:
https://app.box.com/shared/3ccex1l5ki

(Note that the audio link, above, has been edited merely to eliminate time gaps, and also various ATC frequency changes. Also based on what
I hear, I think the First Officer was female, and the PF ("Pilot Flying"). Based on the "Position and hold" response. Subsequent communication is a male voice, likely the Captain. It is commonplace for the F/O to acknowledge ATC clearance to take the runway (the phrase now, since a few years ago, has been revised to "Line Up And Wait", this to be more in-line with world-wide standard terminology). After the F/O acknowledges, control for the takeoff is handed over, by the Captain, to the other pilot. And then the PNF ('Pilot Not Flying') handles ATC communication on the radios. I know this is a bit of detail, but I thought I would add it, nevertheless.

(You can hear a 'Master Caution' audible alert in the ATC recording, as the pilot had his mic open and transmitting. {Three rapid beeps}.)


COA 009, KEWR - RJAA (Newark New Jersey to TOKYO, Japan!!} A very, very long flight, with a LOT of fuel at Dispatch...and COA 009 experienced a HYDRAULIC problem (full system leak for the affected system) when the Landing Gear were selected to "UP".

Required a "RTD" or "Return to Departure" and thus, a fuel dump as part of the Emergency Procedure to comply with maximum landing weight AirFrame restrictions..

 

[deirdre]

since people like me tend to wonder "yea, but is that where the fuel is dumped from?" I looked it up.

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/airports/777.page (see PDF document: Scale Drawings)

 

[TWCobra]

Here is the Flight deck control on the overhead panel.



The nozzles need to be opened via the left hand switches. The system will start jettisoning fuel once they are opened (manually). It automatically calculates what fuel is required to be jettisoned to be at Max Landing Weight at final destination.

That total can be manually changed via the centre rotary knob.

 

[TWCobra]

It was another "Tankerenemy" hoax discussed in this thread...

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ad...cientists-and-debunkers.251/page-9#post-24835

 

[WeedWhacker]

since people like me tend to wonder "yea, but is that where the fuel is dumped from?" I looked it up.

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/airports/777.page (see PDF document: Scale Drawings)

I am very proud of you, 'dierdre'!!

More to answer your question about "where" dump nozzles are physically located (it varies slightly depending on specific airplane):

since people like me tend to wonder "yea, but is that where the fuel is dumped from?" I looked it up.

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/airports/777.page (see PDF document: Scale Drawings)

(That ^ ^ ^ one is definitely Continental, where I used to work...I recognize the screen immediately!!)

 

[WeedWhacker]

It was another "Tankerenemy" hoax...

That guy (Italian, he is). Quite the scam artist, IMHO.

I should "say no more" at this point....

 

[Pete Tar]

Was this particular 'debunk this' infographic challenge recent or is it from 2013, and who posted it?

 

[WeedWhacker]

Was this particular 'debunk this' infographic challenge recent or is it from 2013, and who posted it?

I think Mick West's point was, a still photo was grabbed from the YouTube video and used disingenuously, by "TankerEnemy"... (and we've debunked it to death, I imagine??).

ALSO, on the topic of "TankerEnemy": (HE) has used this same video, altered to deceive (which is his 'signature' in all his videos.

I refuse, in principle, to link any of his YouTube videos, lest they garner more "views". Anyone who cares may find his "YT" Channel, and speak their minds accordingly.

 

[Pete Tar]

Okay, was just wondering if it was a recycled hoax.

 

[WeedWhacker]

Okay, was just wondering if it was a recycled hoax.

Yes, it is....and I take some pain to clarify this, as I have had occasion to encounter, and DISCUSS this very event on YouTube, many times, when it is brought up by those persons (On "YT") who cite it as so-called "chem"trail proof.

Sorry, but this one is something I happen to be very familiar with.

 

[Mick West]

Yes, this has come up before. I just made a specific debunk for easy reference, as this type of "debunk this" image seems to get shared a lot.