LAX Shooting Conspiracy Theories - Los Angeles Airport - False Flag Theories

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Mick West

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Whenever there's a shooting, there's immediately conspiracy theories about how it's a staged false flag, or something to distract us from something else. It's pretty much a given that this will happen, but I still like to start a thread for each incident to see how the theories unfold.

I'm very familiar with LAX, I go there about once a month or more. I was just there last week doing some plane spotting from the observation deck.

Some early theories from ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread980181/pg1
GLP:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2399351/pg2
 

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Some comments from infowars.com
http://www.infowars.com/lax-shooter-identified-as-off-duty-tsa-worker/
And many more along the same lines.
 

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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/01/police-shoot-gunman-at-lax-cordon-off-terminal
Conspiracy theorists often claim there are always "drills" before false flag operations. So look for this training exercise cropping up very soon on conspiracy sites.
 

AluminumTheory

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Just heard on CBS and CNN that possible hated of the federal government was a motive. Even heard references a new world order. November 1st is also said to be a prominent date in the occult.
The conspiracies that will develop from this will surely be very interesting.
 

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-lax-shooter-paul-ciancia-carried-anti-government/story?id=20759816

 

AluminumTheory

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I can hear Alex Jones screaming 'false flag' at the top of his lungs right now.

He'll call it an excuse to arm and expand the TSA. Blame it on gun free zones. And of course to demonize conspiracy theorists.

This could warrant a new sub forum. Or it could at least get lumped in with the sandy hook and aurora theater shootings.
 
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My aunt had a flight to Mexico leaving the morning of the shooting from lax at around 1 am. My mom dropped her off at around 11:50 pm holloween night. She said that there was an insaine amount of police activity at the airport 9 hours well befor the shooting. Im aware of the date and there might be some concern about peoplewearing mask and costumes at an airport but the amount of police activity she witnessed doesn't make much sense. Could we start looking into the history of police and federal officer activity in crime scenes hours before it is a crime scene.
 

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My aunt had a flight to Mexico leaving the morning of the shooting from lax at around 1 am. My mom dropped her off at around 11:50 pm holloween night. She said that there was an insaine amount of police activity at the airport 9 hours well befor the shooting. Im aware of the date and there might be some concern about peoplewearing mask and costumes at an airport but the amount of police activity she witnessed doesn't make much sense. Could we start looking into the history of police and federal officer activity in crime scenes hours before it is a crime scene.
If it was a false flag attack then wouldn't be prudent to have less police there before hand rather than more than usual? Let's stage a false flag but put more cops there so it ends faster and probably less people get injured and/or killed, makes sense!
 

JeffreyNotGeoffrey

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My question is, is there EVER an attack that isn't a false flag. It just screams broken clock. If they scream it every time, it has to be right one of those times. I just ignore those people, though. They are the real fearmongers who can't let any tragedy pass without trying to make a buck off of it and scare people in the mean time.
 

AluminumTheory

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http://www.infowars.com/will-lax-shooting-be-exploited-to-arm-tsa-agents/
It's very predictable that infowars would make these assumptions, but what I find strange is this facebook page of a Paul Ciancia who lives in Los Angeles and has Worked for the T.S.A. (according to the page). As of right now it says that his profile pic was updated 7 hours ago. There doesn't seem to be any other activity indicating that the profile was very recently created. Even stranger yet, the profile image is stolen from a Jamie Vicary from a University of Oxford profile page.
https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaM...vjfg.jpg_1dbc8a4b55c7ddd6577e35e1499f4f53.jpg
It seems like they're crafting a theory that the shooter was a disgruntled employee and the media changed the story to being a loner harbouring anti-government sentiments, and somebody created this Facebook page to support that theory.
 
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AluminumTheory

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If it does infact turn out that the shooter was harbouring anti government sentiments and was a believer in the New World Order it is worth mentioning that Alex Jones is by far the most prominent purveyor of the NWO conspiracy, and has gone on numerous rants demonizing the T.S.A. Alex Jones does vilify alot of people and groups, but most of them are generally inaccessible to the general public due to their status as national figures, or holding a high office in government. It's just not that easy for the everyday person to get into a federal building, a military base, or the U.S. capitol and unload an AK-47. Other groups that Alex Jones vilifies such as liberals and gun control advocates are easily accessible, but not easily identifiable.
However there are two groups of people who Jones frequently demonizes and are easily accessible and identifiable by the general public: Low level law enforcement, and the T.S.A.. Low level law enforcement has been a frequent target of attacks from the "Sovereign Citizens Movement" of whom Jones sympathizes and associates with as he frequently advocates 'common law' over the established law. A member of another patriot group known as "Oath Keepers" was convicted of plotting an armed takeover of a Tennessee courthouse. To be fair, Alex Jones does let up on his ranting about police officers and claims that they are mostly 'awake' now, but it's usually not long before he goes on another rant about cops. But Alex Jones is especially hard on the TSA in his rhetoric, and rants about them very frequently. The T.S.A. are easily accessible, identifiable, and unarmed which makes them especially easy targets for attacks.
Alex Jones seems to be very careful to not explicitly allude to violent rebellion and doesn't seem to go on tirades about specific races of people which seems to separate him from an older brand of conspiracy theorist. But is his speech any less hateful just because his targets aren't associated with any specific race or religion? Is it just easier to overlook because he generally attacks people in high places or people with ideological differences? Is it still hate speech when you attack people for their occupation?
 

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If it does infact turn out that the shooter was harbouring anti government sentiments and was a believer in the New World Order it is worth mentioning that Alex Jones is by far the most prominent purveyor of the NWO conspiracy, and has gone on numerous rants demonizing the T.S.A. Alex Jones does vilify alot of people and groups, but most of them are generally inaccessible to the general public due to their status as national figures, or holding a high office in government. It's just not that easy for the everyday person to get into a federal building, a military base, or the U.S. capitol and unload an AK-47. Other groups that Alex Jones vilifies such as liberals and gun control advocates are easily accessible, but not easily identifiable.
However there are two groups of people who Jones frequently demonizes and are easily accessible and identifiable by the general public: Low level law enforcement, and the T.S.A.. Low level law enforcement has been a frequent target of attacks from the "Sovereign Citizens Movement" of whom Jones sympathizes and associates with as he frequently advocates 'common law' over the established law. A member of another patriot group known as "Oath Keepers" was convicted of plotting an armed takeover of a Tennessee courthouse. To be fair, Alex Jones does let up on his ranting about police officers and claims that they are mostly 'awake' now, but it's usually not long before he goes on another rant about cops. But Alex Jones is especially hard on the TSA in his rhetoric, and rants about them very frequently. The T.S.A. are easily accessible, identifiable, and unarmed which makes them especially easy targets for attacks.
Alex Jones seems to be very careful to not explicitly allude to violent rebellion and doesn't seem to go on tirades about specific races of people which seems to separate him from an older brand of conspiracy theorist. But is his speech any less hateful just because his targets aren't associated with any specific race or religion? Is it just easier to overlook because he generally attacks people in high places or people with ideological differences? Is it still hate speech when you attack people for their occupation?
Hate is hate, should we label one type worse than another?
 

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Based on his views (NWO, Fiat currency, TSA/DHS hatred), it's almost certain that Ciancia listened to Alex Jones at some point (even though the more hard core tend to reject AJ as a government shill eventually). This will come out at some point, and Alex will claim that this means the entire thing was a plot to discredit him.

It's quite possible he's visited Metabunk as well, seeing as a lot of the traffic here is from conspiracy theorists googling thing.
 

AluminumTheory

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Based on his views (NWO, Fiat currency, TSA/DHS hatred), it's almost certain that Ciancia listened to Alex Jones at some point (even though the more hard core tend to reject AJ as a government shill eventually). This will come out at some point, and Alex will claim that this means the entire thing was a plot to discredit him.

It's quite possible he's visited Metabunk as well, seeing as a lot of the traffic here is from conspiracy theorists googling thing.
If it turns out that is the case (looking more and more like it is), I suppose that it's inevitable that Alex Jones and his ilk will come under heavy fire from the media.

Perhaps Matt Drudge was right when he said that 2013 would be the year of Alex Jones.
 

AluminumTheory

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I've been reading alot of comments that purport rumours that Ciancia is a registered Democrat. But of course none of them have produced any evidence. This will probably get parroted by the right wing bunk jockeys as a way to disassociate themselves from Ciancia. It is highly unlikely that anybody knows any specific details of that nature this early in the investigation.


Here is a post from another site debunking claims that various other shooters were registered democrats.

http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=2234&mn=502474&pt=msg&mid=13260118

 

Chuck

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Thanks for this thread and the ensuing comments. The incident wasn't hours old before the conspiratorialists had already spun this web of nonsense. I'm getting so sick and tired of my "patriot" friends getting sucked in by Jones and company. Their level of gullibility never ceases to amaze me. No offense to "icanseewhatshappening" but "Ciancia C.I.A. N. C.I.A"? Really? So the CIA telegraphed the fact that they orchestrated the whole thing? The following link confirms what others have been saying. http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/11/paul-anthony-ciancia-lax-shooter-suspect/ At some point the Jones' followers are going to have the face the reality that they're leader is fomenting this kind of deranged behavior.
 

Chuck

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I agree, but I'm not sure how that is going to work given their consistent pattern of denial.
Sadly, you might be correct. Jones is a master manipulator. They have a built in excuse for everything. When a conspiracy is proved false, he turns right around and says that it was a disinformation psyop. So he/they are never accountable for propagating false stories. It's quite maddening. At any rate, I'm doing what I can to debunk the bunk within my sphere of influence.
 

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Sadly, you might be correct. Jones is a master manipulator. They have a built in excuse for everything. When a conspiracy is proved false, he turns right around and says that it was a disinformation psyop. So he/they are never accountable for propagating false stories. It's quite maddening. At any rate, I'm doing what I can to debunk the bunk within my sphere of influence.

When has Jones admitted a conspiracy was false?
 

Chuck

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When has Jones admitted a conspiracy was false?
How often do you listen to Jones? Apparently you've never been an ardent supporter. I've followed him closely since the late 90's and when he's admitted error he's always used the disinfo psyop excuse.
 

AluminumTheory

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When has Jones admitted a conspiracy was false?
Alex Jones called the Chistopher Dorner shootings 'the real deal' when Dorner's manifesto indicated that he supported Obama and gun control.

What's odd about this particular incident is that there were 2 manifestos that were attributed to Christopher Dorner. One manifesto only detailed his conflict between him and the LAPD. The other manifesto also detailed his conflict with the LAPD, but also went on to an odd tangent where Dorner gives praise to (mostly) left leaning politicians and celebrities including Piers Morgan and Charlie Sheen.
 

AluminumTheory

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How often do you listen to Jones? Apparently you've never been an ardent supporter. I've followed him closely since the late 90's and when he's admitted error he's always used the disinfo psyop excuse.
I've heard him admit to error only to later repeat the same error after the fact.

One recent incident that comes to mind is Boston Bombing conspiracy. The early assumptions from conspiracy circles were that the men wearing black and tan uniforms were Navy Seals, which then changed to Craft International (upon discovering their logo on a baseball cap), and then finally it was revealed that they were the National Guard by infowars.com.

However about a couple of weeks ago, Alex said that those men were Craft International.
 

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What's odd about this particular incident is that there were 2 manifestos that were attributed to Christopher Dorner. One manifesto only detailed his conflict between him and the LAPD. The other manifesto also detailed his conflict with the LAPD, but also went on to an odd tangent where Dorner gives praise to (mostly) left leaning politicians and celebrities including Piers Morgan and Charlie Sheen.
I believe those were the same thing, initially a version was released with lots of names redacted, and then any sections with redacted names were removed for readability. Later the full version was released. All the version are here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...n-dorner-conspiracy-theories.1168/#post-27216
 
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AluminumTheory

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I believe those were the same thing, initially a version was released with lots of names redacted, and then any sections with redacted names were removed for readability. Later the full version was released. All the version are here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...n-dorner-conspiracy-theories.1168/#post-27216
I figured it was a reason along those lines. IIRC, even the abridged manifesto is rather long. But IMO, for journalistic purposes, the full version of the manifesto should have been the only one released to the public.

I could only imagine what Alex Jones' opinion would be Dorner's manifesto would have revealed the opposite.
 
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Based on his views (NWO, Fiat currency, TSA/DHS hatred), it's almost certain that Ciancia listened to Alex Jones at some point (even though the more hard core tend to reject AJ as a government shill eventually). This will come out at some point, and Alex will claim that this means the entire thing was a plot to discredit him.
So just to be clear, are Meta Members blaming or putting up a theory that AJ et al are in some way partly/wholly responsible for this guys actions or not?

It's quite possible he's visited Metabunk as well, seeing as a lot of the traffic here is from conspiracy theorists googling thing.
Or does the above imply Metabunk may also have some responsibility in some way as well?

Or is the Govt in some way responsible perhaps, because of their actions and well documented excesses with the paramilitary police state, which may well have pushed the guy over the edge?

What exactly is being said here?
 

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Wow stretch much Oxy? Alex Jones is being brought up, because the man regularly dehumanizes ordinary folk and talks about how his listeners need to wake up and reject these groups. It is only a matter of time before someone takes him up on his advise and shoots up stuff. The man is a hateful nonsense factory, so if someone listens to him and goes crazy and shoots up someplace, then yes Alex Jones is partly to blame. Duh.
 

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Wow stretch much Oxy? Alex Jones is being brought up, because the man regularly dehumanizes ordinary folk and talks about how his listeners need to wake up and reject these groups. It is only a matter of time before someone takes him up on his advise and shoots up stuff. The man is a hateful nonsense factory, so if someone listens to him and goes crazy and shoots up someplace, then yes Alex Jones is partly to blame. Duh.
Only partly to blame?

Can you be more specific?
 

JeffreyNotGeoffrey

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Yeah. I still believe the full weight of responsibility lies ultimately with the shooter, but shooters often have influences that drive them to that end point. Many crazies will latch onto anything to project their problems. For some it's video games or novels by JD Salinger, but for some it's listening to paranoid talk radio that spouts lots of hate and nonsense about the government and encouraging "resistance".
 

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I brought Alex Jones up because he's going to use the people pointing fingers at him as evidence that this was a false flag to discredit him. He predicted something like that would happen, and he's glad it has.

Crazy people are crazy. Alex Jones might create targets, but it's not clear it he makes people more likely to go postal.
 

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Yeah. I still believe the full weight of responsibility lies ultimately with the shooter, but shooters often have influences that drive them to that end point. Many crazies will latch onto anything to project their problems. For some it's video games or novels by JD Salinger, but for some it's listening to paranoid talk radio that spouts lots of hate and nonsense about the government and encouraging "resistance".
So Govt excesses and actions have nothing to do with it?

Do you think the guy would have acted the same if AJ & co did not exist?

I know its speculation but so is speculating about AJ's effect, if any, on the guy.
 

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I brought Alex Jones up because he's going to use the people pointing fingers at him as evidence that this was a false flag to discredit him. He predicted something like that would happen, and he's glad it has.

Crazy people are crazy. Alex Jones might create targets, but it's not clear it he makes people more likely to go postal.
Yep I understand but it is a bit unclear from the thread as there seems a lot of finger pointing. In fact it could be argued that it is exactly the same as AJ but in reverse.

I.E. if someone attacked AJ, it could be argued they were influenced by sites like Metabunk.
 

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So just to be clear, are Meta Members blaming or putting up a theory that AJ et al are in some way partly/wholly responsible for this guys actions or not?


Or does the above imply Metabunk may also have some responsibility in some way as well?

Or is the Govt in some way responsible perhaps, because of their actions and well documented excesses with the paramilitary police state, which may well have pushed the guy over the edge?

What exactly is being said here?
Perhaps. The details are not yet fully known, but it's looking more and more like a probability. It's not so much whether he is/was a follower of Alex Jones, as it is what Alex Jones preaches. He often goes as far as to liken the TSA to Nazis and claim that they're going to take over the whole country with checkpoints. As I pointed out earlier, they are also vulnerable because they are approachable by any ordinary citizen unlike the bilderbergs, globalists, etc.

It's only inevitable that the culmination of hate and paranoia that this man has been spreading for a long time would reach this point.
 

AluminumTheory

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Yep I understand but it is a bit unclear from the thread as there seems a lot of finger pointing. In fact it could be argued that it is exactly the same as AJ but in reverse.

I.E. if someone attacked AJ, it could be argued they were influenced by sites like Metabunk.
Except that we don't repeatedly spread a message of hate and paranoia.
 

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Except that we don't repeatedly spread a message of hate and paranoia.
Are you sure about that. There seems a lot of hate and paranoia about the likes of AJ on here. Blaming him for this type of thing is IMO, no different to what you accuse him of doing.

I only say this because sometimes people cannot see when they are emulating the very thing they are fighting. I am just suggesting that people take a step back.
 

JeffreyNotGeoffrey

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Good one Al. We ask for reason and logic. Alex Jones screams about nonsense and demands action from people based on that. While debunkers ask for letter campaigns and awareness outreach to get rid of bunk in the world, Alex Jones demands preparation for "taking back" the country. We ask for a changes through words and ideas; Alex Jones always demands some sort of "action". It is inevitable that if you demonize a group long enough and constantly exhort your congregation to action, something will happen.

And no Oxy, you often offer false equivalencies/dichotomies. I've never seen anyone on here say AJ needs to be fixed or taken out. The worst I've seen is that he needs to be taken off the air, and I've only seen that in the context of his producers/advertisers should grow a conscience and stop promoting the bastard and giving him a platform, not any sort of violent action.
 
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