I find she's most spot-on regarding the hypocrisy of claiming to be 'the wind at freedom's back' while supporting forces in Syria...
Clarke's anecdote of seven countries (beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan) by 2007 turned out not to fully come to pass. Did plans change, or was it never really a plan, and more just one of those thought experiments that analysts like to do?
Perhaps it is a plan still in progress... just taking longer than hoped or expected?
Did plans change, or was it never really a plan, and more just one of those thought experiments that analysts like to do?
I bet you $20 that Iran will not be destabilized in the next 5 years.
Presumably you've not heard of the sanctions currently imposed on Iran? Just how 'destabilized' does it need to be before you win your 20 bucks? I mean, is it based on how many people need to undergo surgery without anaesthetic or maybe how many infants need to be malnourished; or how many starve to death? How would you define an infant? What's the measure here?I bet you $20 that Iran will not be destabilized in the next 5 years.
Presumably you've not heard of the sanctions currently imposed on Iran? Just how 'destabilized' does it need to be before you to win your 20 bucks?
Regime change, eh? That's a favourite verbal chestnut of the neo-liberal warmonger, isn't it? What I'm asking is how many dead children does it take for you to win your twenty? But 'dead-children' of the non-worthy (the official enemy) don't get counted - they're not even in the lexicon. They get edited out - into the memory hole.Regime change by internal uprising or external military action.
not enough Honey Boo Boo
Regime change, eh? That's a favourite verbal chestnut of the neo-liberal warmonger, isn't it? What I'm asking is how many dead children does it take for you to win your twenty? But 'dead-children' of the non-worthy (the official enemy) don't get counted - they're not even in the lexicon. They get edited out - into the memory hole.
What's Honey Boo Boo America exactly? Is it the new hate-word for 'white bread', middle class, bible-belt, 'middle america' bourgeoisie?
How did it get such a stupid label? It tells me nothing.
But if Terry had written it, it'd likely have been your 'signature'.What's Honey Boo Boo America exactly? Is it the new hate-word for 'white bread', middle class, bible-belt, 'middle america' bourgeoisie? How did it get such a stupid label? It tells me nothing.
That's exactly what you're betting on, get real. You obviously don't know about Iran sanctions - or just 'prefer' not to admit they exist.by ignoring them? Anyway - maybe you should start a new thread for that - it's just a bit off topic, your betting habits. I agree with Clare - Obama's a war criminal and in line for hypocrite of the year. What do you think?I'm not betting about dead children. I'm betting about if something on Clarke's list comes to pass.
Ah, yeah, sure.But if Terry had written it, it'd likely have been your 'signature'.
That's exactly what you're betting on, get real. You obviously don't know about Iran sanctions - or just 'prefer' not to admit they exist.by ignoring them? Anyway - maybe you should start a new thread for that - it's just a bit off topic, your betting habits. I agree with Clare - Obama's a war criminal and in line for hypocrite of the year. What do you think?
Question, why do you suppose that America is doing that?
This seems likely to me:
I bet you $20 that Iran will not be destabilized in the next 5 years.
As Lee says, it is already massively destabilised and the people are suffering terribly.
From what I know about it, I'm against the drone program. My feeling is that it's an infected band-aid.
But then I don't really know.
Oxy blames the US and the UK for all the ills of the world it seems.
We denied children food, in the oil for food program.
He excuses Sadam and his corrupt government of any of the blame.
I highly doubt our main power plant on Cyprus would have been blown up by over 200 tons of high order explosives that Iran was shipping to the Hezbollah...
The Evangelos Florakis Naval Base explosion in Mari occurred on 11 July 2011, when 98 containers of explosives that had been stored for 2½ years in the sun on the Evangelos Florakis Naval Base near Zygi self-detonated. The resulting explosion killed 13 people, and damaged all of the buildings in Zygi, the island’s largest power station, then responsible for supplying over half of Cyprus’ electricity.
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The Cypriot government declined offers from Germany, the United Kingdom and the United States to remove or dispose of the material, fearing adverse reaction from Syria. [2] The government had instead requested that the UN effect the removal, but claimed that its request had been rejected.
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Cyprus’s final compliance, albeit half-hearted, came only after a full-court international press from the UN Security Council and EU. Cyprus did not win any favours with the US or UN for its acquiescence.
Wikileaks
...the shit should never have made it this far.
Government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou said investigators had ruled out sabotage as a cause for the blast, but wouldn't elaborate. He said there was no risk of further blasts, and experts from abroad will help police and National Guard investigators determine the cause of the explosion. Link
http://www.timesofisrael.com/senate-votes-to-back-possible-strike-on-iran-nuclear-weapon-program/I bet you $20 that Iran will not be destabilized in the next 5 years.
“If the Government of Israel is compelled to take military action in legitimate self-defense against Iran’s nuclear weapons program, the United States Government should stand with Israel and provide, in accordance with United States law and the constitutional responsibility of Congress to authorize the use of military force, diplomatic, military, and economic support to the Government of Israel in its defense of its territory, people, and existence,” the resolution reads.
I admire your twenty dollars of confidence in saner minds prevailing, but certainly don't share it.
Will you take the bet then?
Nah. If I lost I'd be out 20 bucks, and I don't think I'm quite cynical enough yet to accept people in Iran being bombed, presumably the deciding factor, as a win.Will you take the bet then?
If you'd really 'like' to see some proof - why not try a Google search? I know information is hard to come by - when you don't want to find it. But try 'Iran sanctions effects' and you'll get a meagre ten million seven hundred thousand pages to look at - if you really like. News for iran sanctions effects US Sees Sanctions Impact On Iranian Politics NPR - 6 days ago WASHINGTON (AP) — American officials are hailing the election of an Iranian president who vows to seek relief from international sanctions as ... US sees impact of sanctions on Iran politics The Japan News - 2 days ago US officials: Rowhani election shows Iran sanctions are working Haaretz - 6 days ago U.S. sanctions against Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran Jump to Effects and criticism – [edit]. Many of the Iran sanctions programs are administered by the United States of the Treasury Office of Foreign Assets ... Sanctions against Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran Jump to Effects – Effects[edit]. See also: Smuggling in Iran. See also: Economy of Iran. U.S. and EU leaders are trying to tighten restrictions on business ... Iran's Deteriorating Economy: An Analysis of the Economic Impact of ... www.iar-gwu.org/node/428 Iran's Deteriorating Economy: An Analysis of the Economic Impact of Western Sanctions. Iran's economy is rapidly going downhill, but where resentment will be ... [PDF] Iran Sanctions - Federation of American Scientists www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS20871.pdf by K Katzman - 2013 - Cited by 32 - Related articles Jun 13, 2013 – international community on Iran's nuclear program. And, the strategic effects of sanctions might be abating as Iran adjusts to them economically ... Iran sanctions 'having devastating effect' - Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk › News › World News › Middle East › Iran Sep 27, 2012 – Benjamin Netanyahu's increasingly bellicose position towards Iran has been undermined by his own foreign ministry after it reported that ... The Impact of Sanctions on Iran's Nuclear Program | Arms Control ... www.armscontrol.org/events/RoleSanctionsIranNuclear Today our focus is the impact of sanctions on Iran's nuclear program. Sanctions constitute a very important part of the international community's strategy to deal ... Iranian economy feeling effects of Western sanctions - UPI.com www.upi.com › Business News › Energy Resources May 1, 2013 – Western sanctions on Iran are biting deeper than ever with oil exports tumbling to a 26-year low only weeks before the Iranian presidential ... Iranians Feel Bite of Sanctions, Blame U.S., Not Own Leaders www.gallup.com/.../iranians-feel-bite-sanctions-blame-not-own-leaders.asp... Feb 7, 2013 – Effects of sanctions on Iranians' livelihoods.gif ... The effect of sanctions on Iran appears to go beyond macroeconomic factors: Iranians' ... The Counterproductive Effects of Leveling Sanctions on Iran www.huffingtonpost.com/.../the-counterproductive-eff_b_2578434.html Feb 6, 2013 – The regime in power rarely feels the effects of sanctions. Instead, it is the average citizen who bears the burden of sanctions. Ironically, the ... Report: More Iran sanctions won't work - Leigh Munsil - POLITICO.com www.politico.com/.../report-more-iran-sanctions-wont-work-92... by Leigh Munsil - in 426 Google+ circles Jun 5, 2013 – But Iran's populace doesn't tie the economic effects of U.S. sanctions to the nuclear program, and therefore, the measures aren't working as ... Searches related to iran sanctions effects first sanctions on iran how sanctions affect iran impact of sanctions against iran impact of iranian sanctions sanctions on iran working list of sanctions against iran what countries have sanctions against iran iranian embargoI'd like to see some proof of this. How many Iranian nationals who actually live there do you know personally? I know several here in Cyprus and many more in the UAE and their families have no issues from the sanctions. Iran gets around nearly all of the UN sanctions and the people are far from suffering from them. The Persian people are wonderful, they are only suffering from a shitty government much like the rest of the world. If the sanctions worked then Iran would not have new Russian and Chinese Air Defense systems and military aircraft. I highly doubt our main power plant on Cyprus would have been blown up by over 200 tons of high order explosives that Iran was shipping to the Hezbollah - the shit should never have made it this far. Destabilized my ass.
Nah. If I lost I'd be out 20 bucks, and I don't think I'm quite cynical enough yet to accept people in Iran being bombed, presumably the deciding factor, as a win.
Like the one in Libya?I'd take some kind of peaceful popular uprising. Basically some significant shift in the power structure that you think was deliberately influenced by the US.
Like the one in Libya?
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Or the one in Syria?
I've made this suggestion before, but I don't see how a popular uprising, especially a peaceful one, should involve the military/logistical support of foreign powers. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a joint action by Israel and the US was called a 'popular uprising' when and if it happens in the future.
Just wanted to point out that the article you quote states that Iran has a Nuclear weapons program - and it doesn't - it has a nuclear energy program. It's not a subtle difference - and always worth pointing out the lie when it comes up, which it does a lot.http://www.timesofisrael.com/senate-votes-to-back-possible-strike-on-iran-nuclear-weapon-program/ I admire your twenty dollars of confidence in saner minds prevailing, but certainly don't share it.
Like the one in Libya?
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Or the one in Syria?
I've made this suggestion before, but I don't see how a popular uprising, especially a peaceful one, should involve the military/logistical support of foreign powers. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a joint action by Israel and the US was called a 'popular uprising' when and if it happens in the future.
Basically some significant shift in the power structure that you think was deliberately influenced by the US.