Drones over New Jersey?

Have been this past year, at least. But with the surging growth in the number of hobbyist drones in the hands of untrained pilots, it is probably worth taking steps early to prevent future issues.
Drones are UAS, not UAP.

Steps have been taken at major airports, because aircraft in the vicinity are predictably often low and in critical phases of flight.

It's hard to protect against drones anywhere where aircraft might happen to fly low. It's the drone pilot's responsibility to look out for other aircraft, and adhere to known flight restrictions.
 
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It happens every couple of years at various airports across the USA and Canada. There's usually minor damage to the nose wheel. (I expect nobody notices when one of the main gear bogeys run an animal over.)

Coyotes are a greater danger to aviation than UAP. Let that sink in.
Planes dont suffer unexplained damage or crashes in greater numbers than coyotes? i guess that's possible, but since planes are global and coyotes aren't it seems iffy to me. Got any support for your claim?
 
Planes dont suffer unexplained damage or crashes in greater numbers than coyotes? i guess that's possible, but since planes are global and coyotes aren't it seems iffy to me. Got any support for your claim?
What do you think the claim is?
 
It happens every couple of years at various airports across the USA and Canada. There's usually minor damage to the nose wheel. (I expect nobody notices when one of the main gear bogeys run an animal over.)

Coyotes are a greater danger to aviation than UAP. Let that sink in.
Back in the 1990s another reporter at the Palm Springs newspaper was looking through the budget for what was then the Palm Springs Municipal Airport and there was a line item for a rifle. He asked why the airport would need a rifle and was told it was for dealing with "wild dogs" on the runway. (The airport was open to the desert on three sides.)
 
coyotes are a greater danger to aviation than UAP.

oh so you might have meant to say:

Planes dont suffer unexplained damage or crashes in greater numbers than FROM coyotes? i guess that's possible, but since planes are global and coyotes aren't it seems iffy to me. Got any support for your claim?
 
Planes dont suffer unexplained damage or crashes in greater numbers than FROM coyotes?
To sustain damage from a UAP does not equate to "suffering unexplained damage". It means that a UAP is observed that is separate from the aircraft, and that then causes damage to it.

I do not know of any single instance where this is known to have happened (although it has been claimed before).

Coyotes are a greater danger to aviation than UAP.
 
oh so you might have meant to say:

Planes dont suffer unexplained damage or crashes in greater numbers than FROM coyotes? i guess that's possible, but since planes are global and coyotes aren't it seems iffy to me. Got any support for your claim?
yes. sorry i didnt mean to imply coyotes suffer damages and crashes. my bad.
 
Drones are UAS, not UAP.
Ah, I knew all these similar acronyms were going to cause me trouble one day. I stand by my concern about the proliferation of drones in the hands of "pilots" with no idea what they are or should be doing, but acknowledge that drones need not be UAP, unless they are unidentified I guess.

Requiring drone operators to know what they are doing and what they are not allowed to do is going to need to happen to a greater extent than it has to date, I think. Requiring coyotes to refrain from purchasing from the Acme Products catalogue couldn't hurt, but I see it as less urgent!
 
Requiring drone operators to know what they are doing and what they are not allowed to do is going to need to happen to a greater extent than it has to date, I think.
they're required to know already, some simply don't care and think they won't get caught
 

Source: https://www.youtube.com/live/xJOgsQQYDY4?si=eWsxK0y3gv2X_508&t=1306


The Trump administration has addressed the "NJ drones" and, to no one's surprise, they basically just repeat the FAA statement that all the drone sightings were lawful flights. I don't like the wording of the statement because to me at least most drone sightings (99%) were planes, helicopters and some stars, and the statement makes it sounds like people were actually seeing mostly drones. If I had to guess, the statement was phrased that way to validate people's views that they were actually seeing drones.

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I do have news directly from the president of the United States, that was just shared with me in the global office, from President Trump directly an update on the New Jersey Drones.

After research and study, the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons, many of these drones were also hobbyist, recreational and private individuals that enjoy flying drones. Intime, it got worse due to curiosity, this was not the enemy
 
Ah, I knew all these similar acronyms were going to cause me trouble one day. I stand by my concern about the proliferation of drones in the hands of "pilots" with no idea what they are or should be doing, but acknowledge that drones need not be UAP, unless they are unidentified I guess.
Acronyms baffle me a lot of the time, so here's a distinction (that I will promptly forget again). Please note, the "U" refers to "unmanned" in these cases, not "unidentified".
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What is a UAV?

An Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) narrows down the definition of a drone only to aircraft that can fly autonomously or remotely. Although the terms "UAV" and "drone" are used interchangeably in practically all articles, websites, and news, we must make a distinction that not all drones are UAVs. On the other hand, we can make the safe assumption that all UAVs are drones.

On a more pedantic level, a UAV refers only to the aircraft itself and none of the other accessories and equipment that make it work. This is an important distinction to make as we look at the difference between a UAV and a UAS.

What is a UAS?

An Unmanned Aerial System (UAS) is, thankfully, very easy to differentiate from a UAV. In simple terms, a UAS is the totality of everything that makes a UAV work including its GPS module, ground control module, transmission systems, camera, all the software, and the person on the ground controlling the drone. To put it simply, a UAV is simply a component of a UAS.
https://pilotinstitute.com/drones-vs-uav-vs-uas/
 
If I had to guess, the statement was phrased that way to validate people's views that they were actually seeing drones.
If i had to guess, the statement was phrased that way because normal people dont care about (or know about really) some online "UFO community", so wouldnt even think to differentiate "you know many of sightings turned out to be regular misidentified airplanes" from the question "what were the drones doing that the media kept reporting about?".

They apparently werent spy drones or creepy ass perverts spying on people... so it's all good.

(plus in December Trump was accusing Biden of a coverup, so this statement is "him" confirming that "ok i guess Biden wasnt lying". Take the win.)

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Just minutes after returning to the Oval Office on January 20, Trump was asked again about the drones, prompting him to direct his Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles, to investigate the situation.

"I would like to find out what it is and tell the people," Trump said. "In fact, I'd like to do that. Can we find out what that was, Susie?"
 
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Perhaps somebody should direct Susie (referenced above in the quote closing Dierdre's last post) to this thread on MetaBunk? The answer to the President's question is pretty much explained here.
 
Perhaps somebody should direct Susie (referenced above in the quote closing Dierdre's last post) to this thread on MetaBunk? The answer to the President's question is pretty much explained here.
like she doesnt have more important things to do then read 16 pages of blah blah blah blah. I didnt even read 99% of it. Maybe someone could write an article for the MSM that BRIEFLY summarizes the situation.
 
like she doesnt have more important things to do then read 16 pages of blah blah blah blah. I didnt even read 99% of it. Maybe someone could write an article for the MSM that BRIEFLY summarizes the situation.
I assume they are already using free AI apps to explain the world to the POTUS. You can reduce the language level to a minimum. Surely you can also present any Metabunk thread in a digestible fast-food way. ;)
 
like she doesnt have more important things to do then read 16 pages of blah blah blah blah. I didnt even read 99% of it. Maybe someone could write an article for the MSM that BRIEFLY summarizes the situation.
I don't know who she is, so I don't know what all else she has to do -- but she just was told by POTUS to look into this, which I would assume makes it a priority -- if not for Susie, for whoever she delegates the task to. No matter WHAT they do, to adequately understand what happened is going to involved a LOT of reading and/or watching of video -- at least if she/they were to come here they'd read a lot of verbiage that does, in fact, address what was going on -- it was a "flap" driven by eagerness to see a Mystery Drone, in which a lot of people saw airplanes and misidentified them.

Susie, or her designee, or anybody else coming here to try and find information on the Great Drone Flap of 2024, a short summation video that might be useful is:
Source: https://youtu.be/ZK4HFxzsjgo


Another thread that might be of interest:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/watching-a-mass-hysteria-event-in-real-time-is-amazing.13824/
 
I don't know who she is, so I don't know what all else she has to do -- but she just was told by POTUS to look into this, which I would assume makes it a priority -- if not for Susie, for whoever she delegates the task to. No matter WHAT they do, to adequately understand what happened is going to involved a LOT of reading and/or watching of video -- at least if she/they were to come here they'd read a lot of verbiage that does, in fact, address what was going on -- it was a "flap" driven by eagerness to see a Mystery Drone, in which a lot of people saw airplanes and misidentified them.

Susie, or her designee, or anybody else coming here to try and find information on the Great Drone Flap of 2024, a short summation video that might be useful is:
Source: https://youtu.be/ZK4HFxzsjgo


Another thread that might be of interest:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/watching-a-mass-hysteria-event-in-real-time-is-amazing.13824/
I appreciate you pointing to this video of Mick's...somehow in all the fun, I didn't see it before.

It does a great job--in less than 4 minutes--of giving anyone
(who sincerely wants to understand) the info they need.

Comments are good too. My fav: "It's depressing we need a video like this." :D


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK4HFxzsjgo
 
I assume they are already using free AI apps to explain the world to the POTUS. You can reduce the language level to a minimum. Surely you can also present any Metabunk thread in a digestible fast-food way. ;)
huh. i wonder what that would look like. i never use ai. do i go to chat gpt and ...what? ask... "can you summarize the metabunk thread on drones over new jersey? (thi sis my way of asking you to do it and maybe just post gpt's answer here for me)
 
The WH now not mentioning misidentified planes as making up a majority of sightings/videos (or at all) seems like it was a very short-sighted attempt just to try and placate people that these were just drones as they thought, so they now may feel vindicated even though almost all sightings were just mis-identified commercial and private air traffic.

This then further implies they were FAA approved drones means that people will want answers about them, but there are no FAA answers to give because there were never any large number of drones, they are overwhelmingly planes.

Does the FAA not make statements?
 
even though almost all sightings were just mis-identified commercial and private air traffic.
is that true? the document in Micks video above just says "many".

does "electronic detection" mean drones?
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The WH now not mentioning misidentified planes as making up a majority of sightings/videos (or at all) seems like it was a very short-sighted attempt just to try and placate people that these were just drones as they thought, so they now may feel vindicated even though almost all sightings were just mis-identified commercial and private air traffic.
Especially since some people were pointing lasers and maybe even guns at them, which has different implications for crewed aircraft than for unmanned systems.
 
shes the Chief of Staff. in fact shes the first WOMAN Chief of Staff.
Oh, OK, I had created a vision in my head of a "walk by" question being tossed to an aid. Didn't realize it was Susie Wiles. Then yeah, it is something she would definitely delegate, assuming the moment was followed up on at all. ("I'll have my staff look into that and get back to you" should result in having the staff look into it and get back to the President or the questioner... but in the real world it is also often code for "Thank you for your question which will now be studiously ignored." Similar to an old Roman saying "I will do that on the Greek calends," which, since the Greek calendar did not reckon time using "calends," meant "never.")

So anyway, if whoever the Chief of Staff designates to look into it -- sorry you drew THIS assignment, welcome to MB and check out the links in this post above.
 
So anyway, if whoever the Chief of Staff designates to look into it -- sorry you drew THIS assignment, welcome to MB and check out the links in this post above.
I'm thinking the Trump staff and administration are a bit busy right now to care all that much about a ufo flap. You guys might need to wait a while to get anything else out of them other than what the official fed documents and Offices tell them.
 

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1iczfxz/faa_should_testify_at_congressional_drone/


I said I didn't like the wording from the WH because it made it sound like drones were the main cause, and now here's a sheriff blaming the FAA for not notifying them that these research drones were flying, with a bonus statement of wanting to push congress for hearings on the "drones" and question the FAA on these hearings for why they didn't notify local law enforcement.

I don't think these hearings will happen, but it's still mind baffling that the conversation needs to happen despite the FAA releasing a joint statement mid-December that there was literally nothing going on.
 
Not even some of the Republican Assemblyman in NJ are buying Trump's drone statement. It shows the mindset and just how even ex-military got caught up in the drone flap. New Jersey Assemblyman Brian Bergen claims that he was seeing drones about a month ago. Bergen was an AH-64 Apache helicopter pilot.


At 1:57 Constituents still seeing drones? Reply from Bergen.
I do have some people telling me that they are still seeing drones.. I haven't seen them for well over a month, so as far as I am concerned they are not there or not very rampant right now, but there was a period of time there were all over the place and I saw them with my own eyes and our own state police said that they were there ....

It shows how even trained military pilots can get caught up in the drone flap. I wonder if he was claiming to have seen SUV/School bus sized drones? Perhaps he was just seeing hobby drone flights?


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBMCr2oenBg

Bergen also appeared on a Chris Cuomo Newsnation video back in December 2024.

Chris Cuomo From the videos that you have seen do any of them look like helicopters to you?

Chris is referring to the videos that Newsnation are running on the video.


Source: https://youtu.be/YAL8OvU1MWI?t=80


Even the drone expert on Cuomo show is claiming that the footage is showing a drone.


Source: https://youtu.be/YAL8OvU1MWI?t=236
 
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It's a mess because no-one wants to come out and say "a load of people got hysterical about perfectly normal air traffic"
theres a decent chance Trump will say it if he ever finds out it was mostly airplanes.
1. It's New Jersey (its a thing)
2. Trump cant run again so what does he care and
3. He likes to talk ALOT.
 
4. Depends on what the last person he talked to that said something nice to him told him about drones
"finds out" implies he trusts the person who told him. If you dont trust the source and dont have the time or inclination to research yourself you will just dismiss it.
 
I'm thinking the Trump staff and administration are a bit busy right now to care all that much about a ufo flap. You guys might need to wait a while to get anything else out of them other than what the official fed documents and Offices tell them.
Trump, as part of his administrative duties during this busy period, is probably playing golf again, as he has for two full days of the previous week.
 
I assume they are already using free AI apps to explain the world to the POTUS. You can reduce the language level to a minimum. Surely you can also present any Metabunk thread in a digestible fast-food way. ;)
This is what ChatGPT makes of the the first 500 posts in this thread:

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Briefing on Unexplained Drone Activity Over New Jersey

Key Findings

  • Multiple reports emerged of large, unauthorized drones flying over Morris County, NJ, on November 18, 2024.
  • Law enforcement and military assets, including a Black Hawk helicopter, were reportedly tracking them.
  • Some claims escalated to suggest 30-40 drones near highways and military research facilities.
  • No conclusive video or photographic evidence confirms the presence of multiple large drones.
  • Many sightings appear to be misidentified commercial aircraft or celestial objects (Venus, Jupiter).
  • A local journalist misidentified planes as drones, spreading misinformation.
  • No confirmed security threat, but further monitoring is warranted.

Assessment

The available evidence does not support claims of a coordinated drone operation or foreign involvement. Most reports likely stem from misidentifications and social media amplification rather than confirmed hostile activity.
 
"finds out" implies he trusts the person who told him. If you dont trust the source and dont have the time or inclination to research yourself you will just dismiss it.
He kind of talked himself into this release, the prior administration made a statement that seemed reasonable but didn't satisfy the mania. So he promises a new report which was reasonable enough, but also couldn't deliver on the mania.

As mentioned above, there are still some people saying there are drones around. If this turns into another flap then the current administration might confront it.
It would be interesting to see what happens if there is another flap where the only evidence we see is airplanes. Another release saying it's planes won't cut it, but they can't say it's drones as they then have to be seen to take action.
 
The WH now not mentioning misidentified planes as making up a majority of sightings/videos (or at all) seems like it was a very short-sighted attempt just to try and placate people that these were just drones as they thought, so they now may feel vindicated even though almost all sightings were just mis-identified commercial and private air traffic.

Why does it matter if what people saw even was a drone? You can buy drones at toy stores. What reason do you have to be afraid of drones?

Commercial and personal drones are not a threat to anyone.

It's a mess because no-one wants to come out and say "a load of people got hysterical about perfectly normal air traffic"

Why would they need to?

If I had to guess, the statement was phrased that way to validate people's views that they were actually seeing drones.

So what?! We got 100% verification IF YOU SAW A DRONE. It was cleared.

Case. Closed.
 
So what?! We got 100% verification IF YOU SAW A DRONE. It was cleared
Apart from the "not all sightings were drones" fact, there is the underlying attempt at a narrative that sounds like "There are squadrons of drones, multiples of drones. That sounds like an invasion of something nefarious. Oh no, whatever shall we DO??!?"

Popular media tends to thrive on a combination of fear, outrage, and sensationalism. This was one example, that I think (hope!) has mostly run its course.
 
Why does it matter if what people saw even was a drone? You can buy drones at toy stores. What reason do you have to be afraid of drones?

Commercial and personal drones are not a threat to anyone.



Why would they need to?



So what?! We got 100% verification IF YOU SAW A DRONE. It was cleared.

Case. Closed.
Because it's not true and it raises further questions that should be answerable but are not.

If it were true the FAA should be able to, if asked by journalists etc, provide documentation about these research drones, but they can't and won't be able to because they were not drones they were planes.

So when they can't it will look like a cover up, it breeds conspiracy and mistrust.
 
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