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He is not Kenyan, never was. He was born in the US. His mother is US citizen. That Kenyan stuff is crap and I think you know it.

And the one with him wearing a turban isn't? 'Dixie chicken' isn't one? Sorry they are also. The fact that you can't seem to understand that, says a lot about you, in my book.
explain how they are ? He has a Muslim name and he wants more Abortions gun regs , same sex marriages and taxes . I dont know how Dixie chicks or Chicken is a racist ??? or thinking thanks to Hillary he was born in Kenya ? The hitler posters were all from La Roche pac Big Hillary supporters . Maybe all the racist one were X Hillary supporters X democrats ? http://larouchepac.com/ Still cant stereotype millions for the few . That is racist . The fact that you sterotype people says a lot about you too .
 

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explain how they are ? He has a Muslim name and he wants more Abortions gun regs , same sex marriages and taxes . I dont know how Dixie chicks or Chicken is a racist ??? or thinking thanks to Hillary he was born in Kenya ? The hitler posters were all from La Roche pac Big Hillary supporters . Maybe all the racist one were X Hillary supporters X democrats ? http://larouchepac.com/ Still cant stereotype millions for the few . That is racist . The fact that you sterotype people says a lot about you too .

"He has a Muslim name."

The fact that you don't see the racism in that statement alone is a red flag for me. I'm bowing out of this conversation.
 
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"He has a Muslim name."

The fact that you don't see the racism in that statement alone is a red flag for me. I'm bowing out of this conversation.
Its a Muslim name so they put a turban on his head big deal get over it ? I have a German name is that racist ????
 

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Joe, what's the least racist thing you can think of that's actually still, in your opinion, racist?
 
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Joe, what's the least racist thing you can think of that's actually still, in your opinion, racist?
No sure . Its real hard to define racism . They say racism is dirrected toward a race but It still Stereotyping a group of people wether it be by race or class or sex . most races are so mixed I actually think its hard to define . My Nephew is Blonde hair blue eyed light skinned . His father is black is he a African american ? I think people are over sensitive . I wasnt happy to see Obama elected but thought at least one good thing would be that in the end race relations would improve . Instead cries of racism havent stopped even when there was none . Like the Boy who cried wolf story .
 

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No sure . Its real hard to define racism . They say racism is dirrected toward a race but It still Stereotyping a group of people wether it be by race or class or sex . most races are so mixed I actually think its hard to define . My Nephew is Blonde hair blue eyed light skinned . His father is black is he a African american ? I think people are over sensitive . I wasnt happy to see Obama elected but thought at least one good thing would be that in the end race relations would improve . Instead cries of racism havent stopped even when there was none . Like the Boy who cried wolf story .

Well, can you give ANY example of something that is racist? Maybe use Wikipedia's definition?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior.
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Can you understand why some people would consider the signs racist?
 
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I would say that saying someone has a lower IQ because of their race would be racist . Yes I understand why they would say they are racist because they are told they are . Is comparing Bush To A monkey racist ? Or only Obama ? Its what divides us our over sensitivities . If people just ignored it all and acted like adults wouldnt it just fade away ? We used to make fun of Italians or Polish and theyd do the same back . We desensitized ourselves from being insulted and offended . We even picked on some Brits as well . I still call my friend a wanker all the time and he returns the insult .
 

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Is comparing Bush To A monkey racist ? Or only Obama ?

Only Obama. Bush was compared to a monkey because he personally looks slightly like one, it's not race specific. Obama is compared to a monkey because that's a common racist term for a black person. That is race specific, it's suggesting black people are sub-human.
 
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It was suggesting Bush was stupid and subhuman too . I said that was the only one I did consider racist . But Obama medicine man or witch doctor was a insult towards His healthcare plan which Im not looking forward to at all . He is the president he know he will be criticized and everyone need s to deal with it . Its called free speech and it was to protect offensive speech. You want to see racism read the new DOJ report .
 

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I would say that saying someone has a lower IQ because of their race would be racist . Yes I understand why they would say they are racist because they are told they are . Is comparing Bush To A monkey racist ? Or only Obama ? Its what divides us our over sensitivities . If people just ignored it all and acted like adults wouldnt it just fade away ? We used to make fun of Italians or Polish and theyd do the same back . We desensitized ourselves from being insulted and offended . We even picked on some Brits as well . I still call my friend a wanker all the time and he returns the insult .

Did people say Bush had a low IQ because he was WHITE or because he sometimes said inarticulate stupid things.
 

JRBids

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It was suggesting Bush was stupid and subhuman too . I said that was the only one I did consider racist . But Obama medicine man or witch doctor was a insult towards His healthcare plan which Im not looking forward to at all . He is the president he know he will be criticized and everyone need s to deal with it . Its called free speech and it was to protect offensive speech. You want to see racism read the new DOJ report .

No one said they shouldn't have free speech. People said it was racist.

What in the new DOJ report is racist?
 
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No one said they shouldn't have free speech. People said it was racist.

What in the new DOJ report is racist?
Ive only started reading it but pretty much it says to treat one race better then the other as far as prosecutions of crimes . Black panther voter intimidation is a perfect example
 

JRBids

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Originally Posted by JRBids
Did people say Bush had a low IQ because he was WHITE or because he sometimes said inarticulate stupid things.
probably both and Id agree with them .

You really think people said he had a low IQ because he was WHITE? @@
 
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​ this guy was one . tell me he doesnt have a problem with Whites
 

RolandD

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Been catching up on this thread after a long week at work and have a couple of comments.

@ Joe: Many of your comments have been mildly offensive and more than just a little racist. No offense intended, just an opinion.

@ Cairenn: We always called ourselves 'Creasters' (Christmas + Easter). I only go on Christmas now to please my mother, so I'm not even a Creaster anymore.
 
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Been catching up on this thread after a long week at work and have a couple of comments.

@ Joe: Many of your comments have been mildly offensive and more than just a little racist. No offense intended, just an opinion.

@ Cairenn: We always called ourselves 'Creasters' (Christmas + Easter). I only go on Christmas now to please my mother, so I'm not even a Creaster anymore.
Thats fine with me you are more then welcome to your opinion . I hope i didn't offend anyone . If I did they need to look at things differently . Its a tough world we live in they need to get over being offended .
 

Mick West

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Thats fine with me you are more then welcome to your opinion . I hope i didn't offend anyone . If I did they need to look at things differently . Its a tough world we live in they need to get over being offended .

Joe, if you are offending someone, then it's not always their fault. You do have some responsibility.

Would you call a black man "nigger" (or even just use the word around him), and then if he gets offended, tell him that it's his problem, and he should get over it?

It's like manners. You don't walk around naked, even though you don't mind seeing your own naked body. You know that the sight of it offends people, so you cover up.

Saying something should not be offensive is entirely irrelevant to if it actually is offensive. It's offensive if it offends someone. That's basically the definition.
 
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No that word is for Rap songs and blacks call themselves that all the time . I would never call a black the N word . Do you get offended easy Mick ? Im sure youve been called many things by others ? I have . If i were to call a black man a N Id have to be pretty pissed at him and wouldnt consider it being racist only really mad . If I called him a N for no reason then it would be racist and me acting like a jerk . But if a black man called me a cracker or Nazi or whatever for no reason you might say its racist but id just say he is being a @sshole . The Race card has been overplayed .
 

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No that word is for Rap songs and blacks call themselves that all the time . I would never call a black the N word . Do you get offended easy Mick ? Im sure youve been called many things by others ? I have . If i were to call a black man a N Id have to be pretty pissed at him and wouldnt consider it being racist only really mad . If I called him a N for no reason then it would be racist and me acting like a jerk . But if a black man called me a cracker or Nazi or whatever for no reason you might say its racist but id just say he is being a @sshole . The Race card has been overplayed .

The point here is that people DO get offended. You'd not expect a black man to "get over it" after you used the N-word at him, so why do you think people should just "get over" the racist signs?
 

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Isn't this veering off topic? Just an observation, it's something I notice a lot when Treasurecoast gets heavily involved in threads, but mind you, you aren't the only one.
 
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The point here is that people DO get offended. You'd not expect a black man to "get over it" after you used the N-word at him, so why do you think people should just "get over" the racist signs?
First they are not my signs . Pretty much anyone with offensive signs were told to get rid of them as was the Nazi at the rally in the vid I posted . Funny I have plenty of pictures from 9/12 rally with close to a million people and other the the La Roche Pac Hitler posters didnt remember and racist ones at all . Why should they get over it ? Its called the First Amendment . Its OK for Anderson cooper to call people Tea baggers on national TV ? Its called divide and conquer . Did you watch the black panther Video Mick ? Try reading the DOJ report . Is it Ok for the DOJ to be easier on black crime then white crime ? Its been overplayed you can blame the media and the Obama administration for that . Noticed I didnt spell out the N word as not to offend ?
 

Cairenn

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There is a difference. You can't see it, you are WHITE and you do not have the background to fully understand.

My great Grandfather owned a plantation in northern or central Alabama at the time of the Civil war. He has been a slave owner but he had freed his slaves and many of the were sharecroppers at that time. He served as officer in the Confederate Army. When a Northern Army came through, they took all the livestock --everyone's including those owned by the former slaves. The crops were burned in the field. The home was burned. (in fact, it was the gardens and the stock that the sharecroppers had hidden in the woods, that fed all of them for several months.)

My family had a lot of prejudice of multiple types, but there was more anger and venom toward 'Yankees'. The story had left a scar.

The scars from racism are a LOT more raw. I still remember 'white' and 'colored' water fountains, and want ads that were white male, White female, Colored male, Colored female. Sexism is even more raw--my best friend was turned down for a job, not because she wasn't qualified, (in fact she was MORE qualified than the male applicants and the interviewer admitted that) but simply because she was a WOMEN.
 
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There is a difference. You can't see it, you are WHITE and you do not have the background to fully understand.

My great Grandfather owned a plantation in northern or central Alabama at the time of the Civil war. He has been a slave owner but he had freed his slaves and many of the were sharecroppers at that time. He served as officer in the Confederate Army. When a Northern Army came through, they took all the livestock --everyone's including those owned by the former slaves. The crops were burned in the field. The home was burned. (in fact, it was the gardens and the stock that the sharecroppers had hidden in the woods, that fed all of them for several months.)

My family had a lot of prejudice of multiple types, but there was more anger and venom toward 'Yankees'. The story had left a scar.

The scars from racism are a LOT more raw. I still remember 'white' and 'colored' water fountains, and want ads that were white male, White female, Colored male, Colored female. Sexism is even more raw--my best friend was turned down for a job, not because she wasn't qualified, (in fact she was MORE qualified than the male applicants and the interviewer admitted that) but simply because she was a WOMEN.
So what will end it ? It seems to have got worse and I think by design . You all say its because Obama is Black . Id dont think it would be that way if Ben Carson was President . Thats what happens when we elect a Community agitator not a leader . I understand why its used today . for political gain . I could post some racist Biden quotes to prove my point ?
 

Grieves

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No that word is for Rap songs and blacks call themselves that all the time .
No. That word was used by slave owners, slave traders, and the people who profited from the subjugation and exploitation of prisoners who had committed no crimes, in order to dehumanize them... a substitute to 'people'. I know a few black people who consider the somewhat commonplace use in popular culture distasteful.The only people I've ever heard, in person, greeting each-other or using 'nigger' in a social context have been white, usually out of an effort to be ironic. That doesn't mean that black people using it socially should be any of my business, or that I can't perfectly understand why using it as insult against a black person, or even in the presence of a black person, might prove offensive in a way that goes well beyond a faux pas.
I would never call a black the N word .
But apparently you'd call them 'a black'. You're missing that key word there, man. 'PERSON.'
Do you get offended easy Mick ? Im sure youve been called many things by others ? I have . If i were to call a black man a N Id have to be pretty pissed at him and wouldnt consider it being racist only really mad . If I called him a N for no reason then it would be racist and me acting like a jerk . But if a black man called me a cracker or Nazi or whatever for no reason you might say its racist but id just say he is being a @sshole . The Race card has been overplayed .
Why do you hesitate to type the word if you believe it holds no particular sway? If you ever called a black man a nigger, that would quite entirely be a blatant demonstration of racism, regardless of how you felt about it. What's wrong with asshole? Dick-bag? Fuckwit? Out of the plethora of available insults and curses, choosing nigger would be pretty damn indicative of racist sentiments.

Isn't this veering off topic? Just an observation, it's something I notice a lot when Treasurecoast gets heavily involved in threads, but mind you, you aren't the only one.
I'm not so sure. The concern over 'white guilt bracelets' is, in and of itself, quite entirely senseless. It bears a similar quality to much of the other-worldly rhetoric one often hears coming out of the tea-party, which has some distinct elements of racism. I believe it's a somewhat helpful elaboration on what's behind the bunk, complete with live demonstration.
 
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No. That word was used by slave owners, slave traders, and the people who profited from the subjugation and exploitation of prisoners who had committed no crimes, in order to dehumanize them... a substitute to 'people'. I know a few black people who consider the somewhat commonplace use in popular culture distasteful.The only people I've ever heard, in person, greeting each-other or using 'nigger' in a social context have been white, usually out of an effort to be ironic. That doesn't mean that black people using it socially should be any of my business, or that I can't perfectly understand why using it as insult against a black person, or even in the presence of a black person, might prove offensive in a way that goes well beyond a faux pas. But apparently you'd call them 'a black'. You're missing that key word there, man. 'PERSON.'
{Why do you hesitate to type the word if you believe it holds no particular sway?} If you ever called a black man a nigger, that would quite entirely be a blatant demonstration of racism, regardless of how you felt about it. What's wrong with asshole? Dick-bag? Fuckwit? Out of the plethora of available insults and curses, choosing nigger would be pretty damn indicative of racist sentiments.


I'm not so sure. The concern over 'white guilt bracelets' is, in and of itself, quite entirely senseless. It bears a similar quality to much of the other-worldly rhetoric one often hears coming out of the tea-party, which has some distinct elements of racism. I believe it's a somewhat helpful elaboration on what's behind the bunk, complete with live demonstration.
Same old liberal talking points . Tea party racist , Democrats , Party of the KKK not . what about Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas racist pics from the left ? Or were those tea party as well ? what about the national media calling tea party tea baggers as a sexual term ?"{ Why do you hesitate to type the word if you believe it holds no particular sway?"} Why should I type hose words ? Why do you ? I dont use those words ? just because I chose not to use it doesnt mean it isnt protected under our First Amendment . I dont need you either to educate me on history either .
 

Cairenn

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I find it illogical that you are so UPSET over what some folks use to refer to the Tea Party and it's followers, but you feel that any one getting upset over a racial or sexist slur, should just 'take it' and 'get over it'. It seems to me that what is sauce for the goose, should be sauce for the gander.

The name calling started with some radical radio entertainment hosts on the RIGHT. I do not approve of many comments I see made by liberals.

When the radical right calls for 'liberals to be shot as the pigs they are', then some anger on the other side should be expected.

Personally, I object to a lot of name calling, to me it is juvenile not useful in adult debate.
 
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Joe

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And?

Please don't post videos without commentary. I'm just going to start deleting them. You can't have a discussion by flatly posting YouTube videos.
I thought it would speak for itself ??? 35 seconds of Vid ? discussion ? Me against everybody here isnt a discussion . Calling tea party racist and not looking into there own parties racism ? I notice no comments on that ?
 
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Joe

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I find it illogical that you are so UPSET over what some folks use to refer to the Tea Party and it's followers, but you feel that any one getting upset over a racial or sexist slur, should just 'take it' and 'get over it'. It seems to me that what is sauce for the goose, should be sauce for the gander.

The name calling started with some radical radio entertainment hosts on the RIGHT. I do not approve of many comments I see made by liberals.

When the radical right calls for 'liberals to be shot as the pigs they are', then some anger on the other side should be expected.

Personally, I object to a lot of name calling, to me it is juvenile not useful in adult debate.
name the Radio radicals ???????When the radical right calls for 'liberals to be shot as the pigs they are'?????? names please ????
 

Mick West

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I thought it would speak for itself ??? 35 seconds of Vid ? discussion ? Me against everybody here isnt a discussion . Calling tea party racist and not looking into there own parties racism ? I notice no comments on that ?

Well, are you saying "Joe Biden saying 'unchain the banks? They will put y'all back in chains' is the same as calling Obama a nigger"?

Really it would be helpful if you could say what you are thinking, and not leave it to people to guess.
 
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Well, are you saying "Joe Biden saying 'unchain the banks? They will put y'all back in chains' is the same as calling Obama a nigger"?

Really it would be helpful if you could say what you are thinking, and not leave it to people to guess.
You have any evidence someone called him that at a tea party ? Mick ? No playing on fears . pretty irresponsible for the VP
 

Mick West

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You have any evidence someone called him that at a tea party ? Mick ? No playing on fears . pretty irresponsible for the VP

Playing on fears? It was hyperbole, he was obviously meaning economic chains. But since when has "playing on fears" been something politicians do not do. That's pretty much ALL they do. You do it yourself with your suggestions that they will take your guns away and confiscate your property.
 
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