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JRBids

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I did its affirmative action . Lets not forget BET? if there were a WET there would be cries of racism . Ebony Awards ? if there were Ivory Awards there would be cries of racism . Would you also like me to list all the courts cases of lawsuits by whites discriminated against because they werent black ? Even if they were more qualified ? Im not saying its not a problem , Im just saying since the begining of time till the end of time it will always exist . No Im just not a coward like most . I love everyone I don care what color they are since Im such a mix of everything . I just know that when people blame others all their life they are holding themselves back . Playing victim all their life doesnt help . I used to think when was younger that big whites guys riding Harley Davidson's Know as bikers were Scary only to find out that they were actually the kindest people Iv ever met . Is that racist ? Or normal behavior ?

When BET came out every other station was WET. Magazines were the same. You NEVER saw a black face in ANY woman's magazine. That is why there is an Ebony, and Black Entertainment TV. You don't remember when Dihanne Carroll starred in her own TV show? She was the first black woman to have her own show. Even when Bill Cosby was on I Spy it was a big deal. I can't imagine being black before the 70s, when every time you turned on the tv or went to the movies you say EXCLUSIVELY people who did not look like you, unless they were a maid.
 

JRBids

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Don't you know, man?
(This and this I found deplorable, and have refused to watch... this I actually sat through, and only tasted puke.)

I kept getting up during FLight 93, it makes me very uncomfortable to watch anything about 9/11, even documentaries. Having been inside the trade center not long before, and a neighbor I'd known since before he was born worked for Cantor Fitzgerald and died, it is just too unnerving. I think if I had been working at the WTC that day and escaped I would never have come out from under my bed afterwards.
 
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When BET came out every other station was WET. Magazines were the same. You NEVER saw a black face in ANY woman's magazine. That is why there is an Ebony, and Black Entertainment TV. You don't remember when Dihanne Carroll starred in her own TV show? She was the first black woman to have her own show. Even when Bill Cosby was on I Spy it was a big deal. I can't imagine being black before the 70s, when every time you turned on the tv or went to the movies you say EXCLUSIVELY people who did not look like you, unless they were a maid.
So then they go the other way ? Little rascals had buckwheat . I lived in Wyandanch I went to school there . you mean in the sixties and before When most had full families with a daddy and a mommy untill the great society and the welfare state broke up the black family ? Before rap music ? When they had Jazz music and Motown ? with a few exceptions I think many were better off then then they are now other then being discriminated against . We barely had a TV in the sixties and if we did there were only 3 channels on The Island . CBS ABC NBC .
 

Cairenn

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Do you realize how your comments sound?

So being 2nd class citizens was 'BETTER' in your terms? Not being allowed to work at many jobs was 'Better'? Getting hand me down text books and poorly trained teachers was 'better'? Kids seeing their moms abused, because she HAD to stay with him (true in all groups) was BETTER? Kids going hungry, and only having syrup and biscuits for a meal was 'BETTER"?

For a WHITE MAN it was better. Not for anyone else. Not even for the US. Look at all the advances that have come about since we started allowing ALL of our intelligent folks to at least have a chance of living up to their potential.

Can you imagine the waste of Condi Rice as a maid? umm She would have most likely been a teacher, but still. Maybe Collin Powell would have been a Sgt. What about folks like Ben Carson one of the top pediatric neurosurgeons in the country or Patricia Bath who invented the tool used for removing a cataract with a laser. Or maybe you think that Neil deGrasse Tyson the successor to Carl Sagan, or astronauts like Charles F. Bolden, Jr. (he is now the director of NASA) or Mae Jemison would all have been BETTER off being porters and cooks.

Sorry, you prejudice is showing
 
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Do you realize how your comments sound?

So being 2nd class citizens was 'BETTER' in your terms? Not being allowed to work at many jobs was 'Better'? Getting hand me down text books and poorly trained teachers was 'better'? Kids seeing their moms abused, because she HAD to stay with him (true in all groups) was BETTER? Kids going hungry, and only having syrup and biscuits for a meal was 'BETTER"?

For a WHITE MAN it was better. Not for anyone else. Not even for the US. Look at all the advances that have come about since we started allowing ALL of our intelligent folks to at least have a chance of living up to their potential.

Can you imagine the waste of Condi Rice as a maid? umm She would have most likely been a teacher, but still. Maybe Collin Powell would have been a Sgt. What about folks like Ben Carson one of the top pediatric neurosurgeons in the country or Patricia Bath who invented the tool used for removing a cataract with a laser. Or maybe you think that Neil deGrasse Tyson the successor to Carl Sagan, or astronauts like Charles F. Bolden, Jr. (he is now the director of NASA) or Mae Jemison would all have been BETTER off being porters and cooks.

Sorry, you prejudice is showing
No I meant the break up of the black family in the sixties has done more damage to the black community . I believe all those bad things would have gone away on their own . We were moving in that direction anyway . I think the loss of the father in the household is to blame for most of the problems in the black community as well as the white community , Welfare encouraged that . With many exceptions of course , Where is the black community today ? Sure many have risen out of poverty but many havent thanks to the welfare state , Planned Parenthood which targets poor and minorities . Why is the black population only 13% when it was 22 % after the civil war ? Im not prejuduce because I think family is the most important thing for any race . Think about it are there more or less blacks being killed today then there was before civil rights movement and the modern welfare state ? Ben Carson is a great guy .Bolden destroyed NASA . Dont try to put words in my mouth either those are your words not mine . I didnt say being second class to any one was good just having a strong family is . What is your opinion of the tea party ?
 

Cairenn

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What REALLY hurt the black community was the loss of their communities. With the ending of housing segregation, the black neighborhoods lost the doctors, the teachers, the policemen and firemen, the teachers, All the folks that would have been good role models for kids. They were left with pimps and drug dealers as role models. We needed to end housing segregation, but it would have been nice if someone had realized what it would do---to some extent, one can look back thru history of housing in the US and see similar things happen as the Irish or Chinese or Italians were able to leave their ghettos.

Why is population of blacks down, maybe because they aren't being BRED like animals any more. BTW, there are NOW more White out of wedlock births than minorities.

Don't blame Bolden for NASA, blame Congress they cut the funding, just like they did for the Super Conductor Super Collider

I think the Tea Party started as a reasonable response to some ills they saw, Now I think that they have lost their way, allowing the radicals to take over, they may end up killing the Republican party. I saw some of the same thing happen in the Democratic party with the more radical anti war movement in the 70s. I did not care from Pres Bush, I thought he was poor governor and an even poorer President. The ONLY successful business he had ever had was the Texas Rangers and the ONLY reason he made money from them, was because he convinced the taxpayers of Arlington Tx to TAX their selves and their visitors, to build him a stadium---Now that is being a WELFARE KING in my book !

In spite of that, he was elected by a majority of the people, I was not real wild over Al Gore either, Kerry was better.
 

Grieves

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Can you imagine the waste of Condi Rice as a maid?
Given her level of complicity in blatantly misleading the American people in regards to the 'War on Terror', I'm of the personal opinion Society as a whole would have been rather better served if she had chosen a less influential career-path.
One of her most cynically false statements, spoken with such innocence and indignation as to make the idea seem ludicrous, is 'Nobody wants to go to War.' I seriously doubt a woman in that position is that naive.
 

Cairenn

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I wish she had continued her music career. She is concert class pianist as well. Condi had the wrong skill set for dealing with the Mid East. She was a specialist in the Area of Russia and she should have acted like it
 

JRBids

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Originally Posted by JRBids
When BET came out every other station was WET. Magazines were the same. You NEVER saw a black face in ANY woman's magazine. That is why there is an Ebony, and Black Entertainment TV. You don't remember when Dihanne Carroll starred in her own TV show? She was the first black woman to have her own show. Even when Bill Cosby was on I Spy it was a big deal. I can't imagine being black before the 70s, when every time you turned on the tv or went to the movies you say EXCLUSIVELY people who did not look like you, unless they were a maid.

So then they go the other way ? Little rascals had buckwheat . I lived in Wyandanch I went to school there . you mean in the sixties and before When most had full families with a daddy and a mommy untill the great society and the welfare state broke up the black family ? Before rap music ? When they had Jazz music and Motown ? with a few exceptions I think many were better off then then they are now other then being discriminated against . We barely had a TV in the sixties and if we did there were only 3 channels on The Island . CBS ABC NBC .

Well we have more in common than we thought. I lived in Dix Hills and I went to Half Hollow Hills High School. For the other posters, Dix Hills is right next to Wyandanch and many from Wyandanch go to the HHH schools. In the late 60s and even back then Dix Hills was rich and Wyandanch was poor and mostly black. And I grew up in Queens in the 50s and 60s, when if the daddy died or left or was abusive the mommy had no choice but to stay with him. That is better to you? Little Rascals had Buckwheat? LOL. Jazz and Motown were thought to be as bad as rap back in the day. I think with few exceptions they were WORSE off then. I also think you are a little racist and maybe a little sexist also. I just don't think you understand what a time period that was not so hot for women and minorities was actually like, because you are in the category of having the right color skin and the right sex.
 
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What REALLY hurt the black community was the loss of their communities. With the ending of housing segregation, the black neighborhoods lost the doctors, the teachers, the policemen and firemen, the teachers, All the folks that would have been good role models for kids. They were left with pimps and drug dealers as role models. We needed to end housing segregation, but it would have been nice if someone had realized what it would do---to some extent, one can look back thru history of housing in the US and see similar things happen as the Irish or Chinese or Italians were able to leave their ghettos.

Why is population of blacks down, maybe because they aren't being BRED like animals any more. BTW, there are NOW more White out of wedlock births than minorities.

Don't blame Bolden for NASA, blame Congress they cut the funding, just like they did for the Super Conductor Super Collider

I think the Tea Party started as a reasonable response to some ills they saw, Now I think that they have lost their way, allowing the radicals to take over, they may end up killing the Republican party. I saw some of the same thing happen in the Democratic party with the more radical anti war movement in the 70s. I did not care from Pres Bush, I thought he was poor governor and an even poorer President. The ONLY successful business he had ever had was the Texas Rangers and the ONLY reason he made money from them, was because he convinced the taxpayers of Arlington Tx to TAX their selves and their visitors, to build him a stadium---Now that is being a WELFARE KING in my book !

In spite of that, he was elected by a majority of the people, I was not real wild over Al Gore either, Kerry was better.
Those tax cuts was your dear leaders fault . Muslim outreach Bolden ? I know and a lot of X Nasa emplioyees know it as well . Yet you fall for the same democratic dribble over and over again . Nasa seems to have plenty of money to spend on Global Warming crap ? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41582976/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.UU3jjBysh8E . No both the democratic party and the republican party were taken over by Progressives like Bush ,McCain, Clinton , Gore ,Kerry ect . that's what destroyed both parties , Fraud and bribery is the only thing that got That Moron re-elected for a second term and te fact that we got another progressive weak candidate named Romney . The republicans are done . Kerry sucks but I did vote for him against Bush even though I voted for Bush the first time I wasnt giving him a second term . By the time Obama is finished we will be a third world country . Jimmy Carter 2 but worse . The whites out of wedlock would make sense when there are 223 million whites and 38 million blacks ? [h=2]Black babies are aborted up to 6 times the rate of the majority population while the NAACP, the Urban League and the Congressional Black Caucus enable Planned Parenthood to destroy Babies[/h]
 
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Well we have more in common than we thought. I lived in Dix Hills and I went to Half Hollow Hills High School. For the other posters, Dix Hills is right next to Wyandanch and many from Wyandanch go to the HHH schools. In the late 60s and even back then Dix Hills was rich and Wyandanch was poor and mostly black. And I grew up in Queens in the 50s and 60s, when if the daddy died or left or was abusive the mommy had no choice but to stay with him. That is better to you? Little Rascals had Buckwheat? LOL. Jazz and Motown were thought to be as bad as rap back in the day. I think with few exceptions they were WORSE off then. I also think you are a little racist and maybe a little sexist also. I just don't think you understand what a time period that was not so hot for women and minorities was actually like, because you are in the category of having the right color skin and the right sex.
Its wasnt skin color its was poverty . We were the only family I knew at the time to have divorced parents . We didnt know we were dirt poor but we were treated differently . We were on welfare and only got necessary items that were all labeled USDA . No frills .Either way I was still a happy kid . A little racist ? explain ? Oh thats right Im part of the Tea Party and we are all racist . The congressional BLACK caucus said so . So they labeled a whole group of people thats sounds racist ?
 

Cairenn

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Joe, I am not going to try to argue with you, it seems that your opinions are set in stone. You get upset when you think someone is 'dissing' the US, but it doesn't seem to me that you really like the US.

I never said the Tea Party is racist, did I? You are acting like I did.
 
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Joe, I am not going to try to argue with you, it seems that your opinions are set in stone. You get upset when you think someone is 'dissing' the US, but it doesn't seem to me that you really like the US.

I never said the Tea Party is racist, did I? You are acting like I did.
No i said the CBC did . You gave your answer . I love America I cant stand our oversized government
 

Grieves

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I'd say there's a strong element of racism fueling the Tea Party movement, and much of the anti-Obama sentiment flying around.... made entirely evident by the completely fictional image of Obama they conjure up, the whole 'muslim and/or socialist and/or gun-stealing fascist and/or irresponsible liberal' bullshit... when anyone who actually takes five minutes to look at his record so far can see socialism is the furthest thing from his mind, he doesn't give much of a damn about gun control even if he talks tough on it occasionally ( I remember him talking tough on Guantanamo before he was put into office), and there's nothing remotely liberal about the guy. It's unfortunate too, as all the nonsense being made up provides an excellent distraction from the more legitimate issues people have with his presidency.
 

JRBids

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Its wasnt skin color its was poverty . We were the only family I knew at the time to have divorced parents . We didnt know we were dirt poor but we were treated differently . We were on welfare and only got necessary items that were all labeled USDA . No frills .Either way I was still a happy kid . A little racist ? explain ? Oh thats right Im part of the Tea Party and we are all racist . The congressional BLACK caucus said so . So they labeled a whole group of people thats sounds racist ?

I do not think the Tea Party is racist but I do believe that there are racists fueling the gun buying, armageddon, gold hoarding craze, and generally casting doubt on the president in various ways. What do you think is the motivation behind insisting he is a muslim kenyan?
 

JRBids

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I'd say there's a strong element of racism fueling the Tea Party movement, and much of the anti-Obama sentiment flying around.... made entirely evident by the completely fictional image of Obama they conjure up, the whole 'muslim and/or socialist and/or gun-stealing fascist and/or irresponsible liberal' bullshit... when anyone who actually takes five minutes to look at his record so far can see socialism is the furthest thing from his mind, he doesn't give much of a damn about gun control even if he talks tough on it occasionally ( I remember him talking tough on Guantanamo before he was put into office), and there's nothing remotely liberal about the guy. It's unfortunate too, as all the nonsense being made up provides an excellent distraction from the more legitimate issues people have with his presidency.

I agree 100%, I made a similar post without reading yours. I can't imagine what else is behind the images I've seen on the web of Obama as a warlord with a bone in his nose and all that. Some of the comments about Michelle are absolutely disgusting.
 

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I agree 100%, I made a similar post without reading yours. I can't imagine what else is behind the images I've seen on the web of Obama as a warlord with a bone in his nose and all that.

But is it not true that Obama is a warlord... exactly the same as Bush was a warlord. Bush was lampooned and caricatured as a redneck, that's just the way it is... if people are out to lampoon they will pick on a trait and enhance it out of all proportion.

I am sick to death of seeing people vilified and demonised because they are poor or unemployed or homeless. The Banksters and corporations are destroying the economies of the world by sucking it all up into obscene fortunes whilst driving people into debt zombieism. Black, white, brown, yellow or red... it makes no difference; it is all about divide and conquer and lay the blame elsewhere IMO.

'The blacks are criminals', 'the whites are lazy', 'the Muslims are terrorists', 'the Chinese are taking over the world' and 'the Russians are evil'... it's all a distraction whilst the Banksters waltz off with the loot leaving increasing amounts of people with nothing.

I hate to say it but people need to wake up and stop turning on their fellow man at the instigation of the politicians and corporations. Who benefits out of all this war and surveillance and massive 'security network and enforcement'... The one percenters and we are all too busy pointing the finger at this section or that race or the other disability. Playing into their hands.

The only way is to get them all out by voting for candidates who are not owned by the banks/corporations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Francis_Hylan

'The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. To depart from mere generalizations, let me say that at the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes.
‘They practically control both parties, write political platforms, make catspaws of party leaders, use the leading men of private organizations, and resort to every device to place in nomination for high public office only such candidates as will be amenable to the dictates of corrupt big business.
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I'd say there's a strong element of racism fueling the Tea Party movement, and much of the anti-Obama sentiment flying around.... made entirely evident by the completely fictional image of Obama they conjure up, the whole 'muslim and/or socialist and/or gun-stealing fascist and/or irresponsible liberal' bullshit... when anyone who actually takes five minutes to look at his record so far can see socialism is the furthest thing from his mind, he doesn't give much of a damn about gun control even if he talks tough on it occasionally ( I remember him talking tough on Guantanamo before he was put into office), and there's nothing remotely liberal about the guy. It's unfortunate too, as all the nonsense being made up provides an excellent distraction from the more legitimate issues people have with his presidency.
I'd say there's a strong element of racism fueling the Tea Party movement,???? Prove it ???? to much MSNBC . Allen West is a tea party favorite and Ben Carson is loved by the tea party . Sorry we just dont liike Marxism and progressives . nice try . Those who thanked him just proved they think the tea party is racist . Now who is prejudging Who ? So millions of tea party folks are racist because you say so ???? Muslim ? HMM he was raised and schooled a Muslim for years ? socialism proved that already with jis class warfare and class envy . Gun stealing ? he trying real hard for that . So whats racist ????
 
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I do not think the Tea Party is racist but I do believe that there are racists fueling the gun buying, armageddon, gold hoarding craze, and generally casting doubt on the president in various ways. What do you think is the motivation behind insisting he is a muslim kenyan?
thats pretty easy and I think he does it for a distraction . He was raised a Muslim for quite a few years . Kenyan ? Thats pretty easy you can thank Hillary Clinton for that . I dont know however which is worse . A muslim or Black Liberation Theology which is rooted in Marxism and he attended that for 20 years . I dont Know how any of that is considered racism ? But theyd played that hand so many times No one cares anymore . But calling Gun buyers and gold hoarding racist ??? WTF maybe we are just paranoid because we are hated in the middle east more then ever . Russia and China have been getting closer ? we might attack Iran or Syria and may be attacked by terrorist . Tea Party folk Ron Paulers returning Vets have been labeled extremist . Drug cartels in every city millions of Illegal aliens in every town .open borders ? But we are all just racist ??? wow JR
 
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I agree 100%, I made a similar post without reading yours. I can't imagine what else is behind the images I've seen on the web of Obama as a warlord with a bone in his nose and all that. Some of the comments about Michelle are absolutely disgusting.
That wasnt a warlord it was a Medicine man or witch doctor it was to represent Obamacare as being backwards and primitive . http://therongolianstar.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/obamaracist.jpg yet this is OK ?http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k9YRGIDlJZw/S5DwR1SuX0I/AAAAAAAACfc/WvykSiioesM/s400/Bush+Monkey.jpg
 

Cairenn

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Pres Obama was NOT raised a Muslim. He did go a Muslim school when he lived in Indonesia, he also went to a Catholic school there.

His birth father was not a practicing Muslim, in fact he was an atheist by the time Barack was born. His stepfather was a 'secular Muslim', sort of like the Christians that show up for Easter and Christmas services.

But a number of stories suggested he may have been listed as Muslim simply because Obama’s stepfather was Muslim, though press accounts suggest Lolo Soetoro was not particularly devout.

Officials at the predominantly Muslim school that Obama attended has said the public academy is open to people of all faiths. A March, 2007 story in the Chicago Tribune said that when Obama was attending 4th grade, Muslim children would spend two hours a week studying Islam while Christian children would spend that time studying Christianity.
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"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies," Obama wrote. "My mother wasn't overly concerned. 'Be respectful,' she'd say. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and 30 brown children, muttering words."
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A person cannot be a 'secret' Muslim. He is a MEMBER of the Church of Christ, he is a Christian.

He is NOT a 'Black Libertation theologist'. He may have some for friends, but that doesn't make him one. He is slightly left of center.


Really providing medical care for folks is "backwards and primitive"? I guess then that Uganda is a progressive nation and France, the UK, Japan, and most of Europe are backward and primitive.
 
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Pres Obama was NOT raised a Muslim. He did go a Muslim school when he lived in Indonesia, he also went to a Catholic school there.

His birth father was not a practicing Muslim, in fact he was an atheist by the time Barack was born. His stepfather was a 'secular Muslim', sort of like the Christians that show up for Easter and Christmas services.

But a number of stories suggested he may have been listed as Muslim simply because Obama’s stepfather was Muslim, though press accounts suggest Lolo Soetoro was not particularly devout.

Officials at the predominantly Muslim school that Obama attended has said the public academy is open to people of all faiths. A March, 2007 story in the Chicago Tribune said that when Obama was attending 4th grade, Muslim children would spend two hours a week studying Islam while Christian children would spend that time studying Christianity.
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"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies," Obama wrote. "My mother wasn't overly concerned. 'Be respectful,' she'd say. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and 30 brown children, muttering words."
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A person cannot be a 'secret' Muslim. He is a MEMBER of the Church of Christ, he is a Christian.

He is NOT a 'Black Libertation theologist'. He may have some for friends, but that doesn't make him one. He is slightly left of center.


Really providing medical care for folks is "backwards and primitive"? I guess then that Uganda is a progressive nation and France, the UK, Japan, and most of Europe are backward and primitive.
Hillary Clinton Drops Madrassa Bomb on Barack Obama

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Read more: [/FONT]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245582,00.html#ixzz2OQYrIgHT[FONT=arial, sans-serif] yes everyone in hose countries love their Heathcare ???? Except my friend In Manchester ???? who been waiting for months ? [/FONT]
 

Cairenn

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No not everyone there LOVES their healthcare, but they have ACCESS to it, and a major illness will not bankrupt the family

Hillary NEVER said that, a volunteer staffer in an office forwarded an email. It wasn't her, it wasn't anyone high level, just someone that passed on something the radical right wing talk/entertainment hosts had started.

I love facts, don't you?


According to the Los Angeles Times false rumors saying that Obama was secretly a Muslim started during his campaign for the United States Senate in 2004 and had expanded through viral e-mails by 2006. The Times compared these rumors to earlier false rumors about 2000 presidential candidate John McCain fathering a dark-skinned child out of wedlock.[9] The rumors were subsequently promoted by conservative talk show hosts, including Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh.[10] In December 2007 the Hillary Clinton campaign asked a volunteer county coordinator to step down after she forwarded an e-mail message which repeated the false rumor that Obama was Muslim.
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No not everyone there LOVES their healthcare, but they have ACCESS to it, and a major illness will not bankrupt the family

Hillary NEVER said that, a volunteer staffer in an office forwarded an email. It wasn't her, it wasn't anyone high level, just someone that passed on something the radical right wing talk/entertainment hosts had started.

I love facts, don't you?


According to the Los Angeles Times false rumors saying that Obama was secretly a Muslim started during his campaign for the United States Senate in 2004 and had expanded through viral e-mails by 2006. The Times compared these rumors to earlier false rumors about 2000 presidential candidate John McCain fathering a dark-skinned child out of wedlock.[9] The rumors were subsequently promoted by conservative talk show hosts, including Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh.[10] In December 2007 the Hillary Clinton campaign asked a volunteer county coordinator to step down after she forwarded an e-mail message which repeated the false rumor that Obama was Muslim.
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same with the Birth Issue ? Staffer ? what difference does it make ?
 

JRBids

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I'd say there's a strong element of racism fueling the Tea Party movement,???? Prove it ???? to much MSNBC . Allen West is a tea party favorite and Ben Carson is loved by the tea party . Sorry we just dont liike Marxism and progressives . nice try . Those who thanked him just proved they think the tea party is racist . Now who is prejudging Who ? So millions of tea party folks are racist because you say so ???? Muslim ? HMM he was raised and schooled a Muslim for years ? socialism proved that already with jis class warfare and class envy . Gun stealing ? he trying real hard for that . So whats racist ????


I think Grieves and myself both said we think there is racism FUELING the Tea Party Movement, not that all Tea Party members are racist. I have had very nice people that I know are not racist who identify with the tea party forward me emails and jokes that are quite racist. I believe there are racists who are inciting people. I'm surprised the president has made it this far into his administration if you get my meaning.
 

JRBids

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thats pretty easy and I think he does it for a distraction . He was raised a Muslim for quite a few years . Kenyan ? Thats pretty easy you can thank Hillary Clinton for that . I dont know however which is worse . A muslim or Black Liberation Theology which is rooted in Marxism and he attended that for 20 years . I dont Know how any of that is considered racism ? But theyd played that hand so many times No one cares anymore . But calling Gun buyers and gold hoarding racist ??? WTF maybe we are just paranoid because we are hated in the middle east more then ever . Russia and China have been getting closer ? we might attack Iran or Syria and may be attacked by terrorist . Tea Party folk Ron Paulers returning Vets have been labeled extremist . Drug cartels in every city millions of Illegal aliens in every town .open borders ? But we are all just racist ??? wow JR

I'm sorry you clearly have a reading comprehension problem if you think I called gun hoarding and gold buying racist. That paranoia you have is being fueled by racists, however. That's my point. I think you're resorting to a bit of hyperbole with your drug cartels in every city and millions of illegal aliens in every town, but whatever.
 
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With that logic then... Should a blind person be allowed to compete in NASCAR?
 
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I think Grieves and myself both said we think there is racism FUELING the Tea Party Movement, not that all Tea Party members are racist. I have had very nice people that I know are not racist who identify with the tea party forward me emails and jokes that are quite racist. I believe there are racists who are inciting people. I'm surprised the president has made it this far into his administration if you get my meaning.
Who are the ones Fueling racism in the tea party ? Be specific , Id like examples . Im surprised Bush made it from all the threats from the left .
 
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I'm sorry you clearly have a reading comprehension problem if you think I called gun hoarding and gold buying racist. That paranoia you have is being fueled by racists, however. That's my point. I think you're resorting to a bit of hyperbole with your drug cartels in every city and millions of illegal aliens in every town, but whatever.
{" I do believe that there are racists fueling the gun buying, armageddon, gold hoarding craze, and generally casting doubt on the president in various ways " } MAYBE WE JUST THINK HE SUCKS AS A PRESIDENT ???? Would you like examples why we think that ? Who are the racist fueling this ? Alex Jones ? Glenn Beck ? Rush ?
 

Grieves

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So millions of tea party folks are racist because you say so ????
I didn't say so. Nor did anyone else.

I'd say there's a strong element of racism fueling the Tea Party movement,???? Prove it ????
Google search 'tea party signs'. A fair deal of racist sentiment is readily apparent at many tea-party rallies.

He was raised a Muslim for quite a few years .
I don't understand why it should even matter if he was a Muslim now. Why do we act like we're living in the damn crusades? Oh.... right.....

MAYBE WE JUST THINK HE SUCKS AS A PRESIDENT ????
Agreed... but thinking he sucks as a president because he's a Muslim Marxist Gun-grabber is dumb as stumps, and generally inexplicable unless one considers it an appeal to prejudice.
 
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Joe

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I didn't say so. Nor did anyone else.


Google search 'tea party signs'. A fair deal of racist sentiment is readily apparent at many tea-party rallies.


I don't understand why it should even matter if he was a Muslim now. Why do we act like we're living in the damn crusades? Oh.... right.....


Agreed... but thinking he sucks as a president because he's a Muslim Marxist Gun-grabber is dumb as stumps, and generally inexplicable unless one considers it an appeal to prejudice.
Well I didnt see any Id consider racist most just say socialism . there were infiltrators like in the above video . But I dont know why there would be blacks in a racist tea party ? Even if there were a few you cant label a movement as being racist ? Why would Allen West go to tea party rallies and be one himself ? I wouldnt even say that about the failed Obama supported Occupy Movement . No he just plain sucks whatever his religion is ? Marxist maybe but his socialist policies and Class envy class warfare tax the rich . There must be a lot of dumb as stumpers buying guns then . Like they just didnt try to ban assault rifles ????? do you listen to the news ???
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
President Reagan didn't see why folks needed assault rifles. They are not talking about TAKING them away from you, just not allowing more to be sold.

Class envy? You really think that pointing out that 1% of the people have something like 80% of the wealth is 'class envy'?


Let's go back to your assertion that 'Hillary dropped the Muslim bomb'. It was pointed out that a low level volunteer staffer forwarded an email--so that meant that SHE did it. At the same time, you are upset when it is pointed out that there are racists in the tea party. And you are quick to say that their presence doesn't mean the entire tea party is racist. I agree with you, but why are you insisting that Hillary approved of what the volunteer did?

He is NOT a Marxist---you deride 'Obama care', but all it is, is Romney care on a national level.

I don't remember any support of the occupy movement by the President
 

Grieves

Senior Member
Like they just didnt try to ban assault rifles ????? do you listen to the news ???
And I certainly hope they do, though as I understand it none of that really went anywhere.
Portion of American gun deaths in 2011 that were suicides: 2/3
Factor by which the NRA outspent all gun-control activist groups combined on lobbying in 2012: 10
Minimum number of people accidentally shot at gun shows on 'Gun Appreciation Day' in January: 5

Well I didnt see any Id consider racist most just say socialism .
obamawillis.jpg
A crowd of infiltrators?
RacistObamaPic37.jpg
Surely, this young man is an infiltrator
tea-party-racist-signs-07-white-slavery.jpg
These are pretty common. All the folks carrying them infiltrators?
racist-tea-party-protesters.jpg
What's racist about this, anyway? Clearly its just a comment on socialist policy....
Tea-Party-racist-signs-59392864947.jpeg
obama-turban.png
I can keep going... absolutely no shortage.

I don't remember any support of the occupy movement by the President
That's because there wasn't any. He mentioned them once or twice in a vaguely positive light so as to maintain a level of popularity with the youth-vote, and thus from the Tea-Party perspective Occupy was a bunch of lazy socialists under Obama's shady administration(Fox News). Just as to others it was a bunch of pot-addled hippies burdening business(ABC), or to others a bunch of privileged hipsters engaging in a fashionable but substanceless cause (CNN).

millions of Illegal aliens in every town .
you know there's about 900k less illegal immigrants in America than there was in 2007? All verifiable figures on the subject seem to suggest illegal immigration is declining steadily.
 
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Joe

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And I certainly hope they do, though as I understand it none of that really went anywhere.



obamawillis.jpg
A crowd of infiltrators?
RacistObamaPic37.jpg
Surely, this young man is an infiltrator
tea-party-racist-signs-07-white-slavery.jpg
These are pretty common. All the folks carrying them infiltrators?
racist-tea-party-protesters.jpg
What's racist about this, anyway? Clearly its just a comment on socialist policy....
Tea-Party-racist-signs-59392864947.jpeg
obama-turban.png
I can keep going... absolutely no shortage.

That's because there wasn't any. He mentioned them once or twice in a vaguely positive light so as to maintain a level of popularity with the youth-vote, and thus from the Tea-Party perspective Occupy was a bunch of lazy socialists under Obama's shady administration(Fox News). Just as to others it was a bunch of pot-addled hippies burdening business(ABC), or to others a bunch of privileged hipsters engaging in a fashionable but substanceless cause (CNN).


you know there's about 900k less illegal immigrants in America than there was in 2007? All verifiable figures on the subject seem to suggest illegal immigration is declining steadily.
the only one Id consider slightley racist allthough there were plenty of Bush monkey refrences would be the monkey see monkey spend .
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
He is not Kenyan, never was. He was born in the US. His mother is US citizen. That Kenyan stuff is crap and I think you know it.

And the one with him wearing a turban isn't? 'Dixie chicken' isn't one? Sorry they are also. The fact that you can't seem to understand that, says a lot about you, in my book.
 

Met Watch

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the only one Id consider slightley racist allthough there were plenty of Bush monkey refrences would be the monkey see monkey spend .

So the last two are not remotely racist at all? Joe, explain to me how those last two images are NOT racist.
 
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