Debunked: ‘White Guilt’ Bracelets - Government wants you to wear them?

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Reminds me of a Woody Allen movie Deconstructing Harry. This is probably not exactly correct, but it goes along these lines:

Scene is two old ladies. One is telling the other a long story about Max, who murdered his wife and his neighbors and their children, with an ax. Then he ATE them. The second old lady says "whatever you do. . . . first hear Max's side". The first one says "The man has a SIDE?"

Sometimes there is no context.
Doesnt matter.I enjoy listening to Rush along with millions of other Americans many who are Black Americans . Its like Chappelle or a Richard Pryor skit {which has plenty of STEROTYPING not racism} I watched them and I laughed does that make me racist because Im White ?????
 

Cairenn

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If it doesn't make you mad, you should ask your self WHY. He is racist and sexist and by listening to him YOU support him and his views
 

MikeC

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What advantages do I have today that were built by Oppression ???? You Didnt build that ? sounds like a Obama Quote ? I understand your point but everybody before us has not had the advatages we have today . Its not just the great inventors its our ancestors of all colors . Its the young immigrant who worked 16 hrs in a sweat shop at the turn of the century . What does past oppression have to do with today anyway ? What if I just moved here to america 20 years ago ?

then you stil have advantages that are built upon the past - the most obvious ones are the seizure of land from Indians, and the labour of slaves.

Certainly the country is also built upon a lot of "honest work" - probably even the vast majority of the work done fits this categoty.

but since a lot of the "honest work" is done, for example, on land seized from native Americans the foundations still remains that unpalatable base.
 
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then you stil have advantages that are built upon the past - the most obvious ones are the seizure of land from Indians, and the labour of slaves.

Certainly the country is also built upon a lot of "honest work" - probably even the vast majority of the work done fits this categoty.

but since a lot of the "honest work" is done, for example, on land seized from native Americans the foundations still remains that unpalatable base.
Is called history . who was here first ? look up Vero man. Europeans were here first . http://www.oviasc.org/Old-Vero-Man-...es-in-Vero-Beach-and-Indian-River-County.html
 
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If it doesn't make you mad, you should ask your self WHY. He is racist and sexist and by listening to him YOU support him and his views
Does it make you mad to listen to Chappelle ? He is a radio talk show host and the most popular in America . Nobody beats his ratings and those who come close are Conservative as well . Fox News which I dont really watch has the highest ratings of all Cable news programs . Then Comedy Central then CNN MSNBC CBS ECT . must be those AMERICANS ARE ALL RACIST ? :) :) :)
 

Cairenn

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I don't listen to him. I prefer to get my news from journalists, not entertainers. I wouldn't if I could afford cable. We could afford cable, if we chose to not buy books. (without standing up, I can reach 25 books, ranging from fiction (SF/fantasy/romance/mystery to non fiction on many topics, from rescuing pets (Rescue Ink), to 'What the Mummys Tell Us', to 'Bone, Antler, Horn and Ivory, a study of skeletal materials since the Roman Era", to several more on Jewelry making, to a marketing text book and I can't forget the one on Roman armies and a Molly Ivins and 'Behind the Wire" (that is about Gitmo).

Just because something has high ratings doesn't mean it is good or worthwhile listening to or watching. Folks love Survivor and Big Brother and the other 'reality shows'. I feel that they are a waste of time. I can't understand why folks make fools of their selves, just to be on TV.
 

Cairenn

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It will be interesting to hear what is found there. The article you linked was basing a date on ONE item found and NO carbon 14 dating.

It looks like that site is based on the Solutrean theory that Europeans followed the edge of the sea ice. While interesting, most experts have discounted it, because of no real supporting data (like boats of some kind).

There are many sites with more solid and earlier dates

http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/10879/20120716/humans-north-america-coprolite-dna.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture

Thank you for pointing out Vero man---I will continue to see what develops from any research on it.
 
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I don't listen to him. I prefer to get my news from journalists, not entertainers. I wouldn't if I could afford cable. We could afford cable, if we chose to not buy books. (without standing up, I can reach 25 books, ranging from fiction (SF/fantasy/romance/mystery to non fiction on many topics, from rescuing pets (Rescue Ink), to 'What the Mummys Tell Us', to 'Bone, Antler, Horn and Ivory, a study of skeletal materials since the Roman Era", to several more on Jewelry making, to a marketing text book and I can't forget the one on Roman armies and a Molly Ivins and 'Behind the Wire" (that is about Gitmo).

Just because something has high ratings doesn't mean it is good or worthwhile listening to or watching. Folks love Survivor and Big Brother and the other 'reality shows'. I feel that they are a waste of time. I can't understand why folks make fools of their selves, just to be on TV.
what journalists ? name them ? I go to Drudge for my new or the Blaze , drudge is used by most of the Talk show host .Drudge just puts up links to other news sites that relevent with out the leftist spin . His headlines are bias to the right but the stories are not .
 
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It will be interesting to hear what is found there. The article you linked was basing a date on ONE item found and NO carbon 14 dating.

It looks like that site is based on the Solutrean theory that Europeans followed the edge of the sea ice. While interesting, most experts have discounted it, because of no real supporting data (like boats of some kind).

There are many sites with more solid and earlier dates

http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/10879/20120716/humans-north-america-coprolite-dna.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture

Thank you for pointing out Vero man---I will continue to see what develops from any research on it.
the site is just 3 miles from where I am . Im not slamming Native Americans since its in my family its just conquering has always been human nature . Seems it still is . I wish it would stop but Im sure in my lifetime it wont . My point is lets stop complaining about the past since it just bring up old wounds which we cant change lets instead plan a future where we can all live together in peace . Iv always said one day after we been all mixed together and there is only one race one religion or lack of one will we still pick apart our differences and fight between each other ?
 

Pete Tar

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...My point is lets stop complaining about the past since it just bring up old wounds...

The whole point of the 'white privilege' exercise is that these are issues experienced daily, now. It's not about slavery.

Yet you seem unable to acknowledge this and keep trying to minimise or dismiss it.
The point is to see that you would have unique challenges if you were born black that would never even occur to you being white. What's sinister about that and how is it destroying your country?
 
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The whole point of the 'white privilege' exercise is that these are issues experienced daily, now. It's not about slavery.

Yet you seem unable to acknowledge this and keep trying to minimise or dismiss it.
The point is to see that you would have unique challenges if you were born black that would never even occur to you being white. What's sinister about that and how is it destroying your country?
What is the point of the exercise . What are the challenges ? Its more poverty related then race . If Im a poor white kid living in a mostly black neighborhood and I apply for a job a a local business that is owned by a black American what are the chances I will get hired over a black applicant ? I would say that in a reverse situation without racial quotas and affirmative action it would be less . What about the black kids in the classroom ? doesnt that tell them they really dont have a chance ? Doesnt it make them hate the white kids ? Should the white kids now feel guilty for something they did not do ? Its nothing but Liberal indoctrination . The biggest disadvantage I see a black person having is the racist profiling By the police and others because of the black crime statistics . Which is because of the poverty rate and broken families . Yet they all still keep voting for Democrats ?
 

lotek

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this is hilarious, where can i buy one of these. i pretty much entirely agree with it, other than the part where you need a band of rubber to remind you of social issues. that bit kinda makes you a fuckwit.
 

Cairenn

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Why the heck should they vote for folks that feel that the are poor because they are lazy, drug dealing welfare queens? Why should they vote for the folks that want folks thrown in a prison for years for a rock of crack, and yet allow a much larger amount of powdered cocaine? For the like YOU that refuse to accept that racism is alive and well in the US
 
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Why the heck should they vote for folks that feel that the are poor because they are lazy, drug dealing welfare queens? Why should they vote for the folks that want folks thrown in a prison for years for a rock of crack, and yet allow a much larger amount of powdered cocaine? For the like YOU that refuse to accept that racism is alive and well in the US
They are poor because of the welfare state created and expanded by the democrats . Personal responsibility is all the conservatives ask for . I dont care what race you are welfare is addictive and it destroys the work ethic . Then of course youll vote big government democrats because thats who feeds and clothes you . There are plenty of crack heads around here in jail one day and out another I think your mixing up dealers with users . Nobody except dealers should go to jail for drugs . Yea and all republicans or conservatives are all racist and democrats ride unicorns . Welfare is Crack and Democarts are the Crack Dealers .
 

JRBids

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what journalists ? name them ? I go to Drudge for my new or the Blaze , drudge is used by most of the Talk show host .Drudge just puts up links to other news sites that relevent with out the leftist spin . His headlines are bias to the right but the stories are not .

Ever read the comments on Blaze articles? Plenty of racism there.
 
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Ever read the comments on Blaze articles? Plenty of racism there.
Yep .Plenty more on You Tube as well . From all races . . The First Amendment protects virtually all speech, no matter how unorthodox, offensive, or distasteful..
 

JRBids

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Personal responsibility is all the conservatives ask for .

Yeah! Root, hog or die!!

I dont care what race you are welfare is addictive and it destroys the work ethic . Then of course youll vote big government democrats because thats who feeds and clothes you .

Cause only black people are on welfare.
 
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Joe

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Yeah! Root, hog or die!!



Cause only black people are on welfare.
There are more white people on welfare . My younger sister had Leukemia 10 years ago and was on disability even after years of remission she didnt want to take a full time job because the fear of losing her benefits . I convinced her to work instead , She lost her benefits and has been doing fine ever since . Unless youve been there and witness it your self you dont understand . Its not like when I was younger where you got a just bulk food items from the USDA .I didnt grow up in Dix Hills . Most of my family are democrats by the way .
 
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What about the vets that are getting food stamps? Are they a product of the welfare state?
With Obama in the Whitehouse I'm surprised the whole country is not on welfare ? :) Your missing the point . Not condeming those who need assistance just saying like crack it can be addicting .
 

JeffreyNotGeoffrey

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I really don't see a point to all this. The band story was debunked then I guess we moved to the contentious topic of race after the Obama presidency. Here are my points.

First is that racism is very context sensitive and changes almost daily and by geography. A few examples to think on. 50 years ago addressing a black man who was obviously older than you as BOY was OK. Today that is pretty racist. You are demeaning by addressing him as a de facto inferior based only on a passing view. Is it good that this specific act has stopped? Yes but we as a society should not rest on good enough. There are newer and more subtle means we need to stamp out. The Trayvon case is quite indicative. Zimmerman withheld trust from Martin. I sincerely doubt this would have played out as it did with a white boy decked out in J Crew/GAP clothes. I simply wonder what would have happened if Zimmerman would have politely asked where the kid was going and if he needed a ride. No harm and if the kid flipped out then investigate/ call 311 (nonemergency police).

Second I want to tackle the Obama medicineman poster. That poster IS racist. Half the problem is that the maker and Joe cannot figure out why. A different concept could have portrayed the perceived negative impact of Obama/Romneycare. They really could have focused on the socialism of it. Instead the idea was to use a scary picture of the "primitive" black Other. This picture preys on the misconceived idea that Obama is Kenyan and will take us backwards. Moreover why not show whites trying to pray cancer away or Civil War field surgeons reusing instruments on multiple patients... Because the tribal image made him look unamerican. I also sincerely doubt Romneycare dtractors would have used the same image.
I will part with a rebuttal to the silly idea that Obama is white. If you saw a man of his color and were asked to give a description of him, would you say he is white? I would probably say he looked dark skinned with the possibility he was black but not off hand as a white guy. I see tanned people as a who knows. The only people I call white offhand are people like me who are better termed translucent than white and even then I know their ethnicity is doubtful.
 
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