Discussion in 'West/Wigington Geoengineering Debate' started by TWCobra, Jul 28, 2013.
Yeah, I'm following up with Massaria, who said there's a "problem" with the recording.
I guess I'm behind on this one. What is she being told?
PS: I found Madison's other post about it.
What is so bad about questioning sources?
It doesn't necessarily mean discarding them. It merely means checking their veracity and trustworthyness. Only if you are afraid of questioning your own beliefs can you be afraid of that.
By "questioning" there, she mean "doubting", not "verifying". In her mind those are very different things.
But even doubts are not bad, they need not be destructive.
Madison has little or no technical knowledge.
After being banned on FB for posting a picture of an Airbus A380 test aircraft and executives standing in front of the barrels; I think someone claimed breach of copyright, she appears to believe that Airbus is some sort of private spraying organisation with its own Air Force. This is based on YT spraying videos where even though the airline is named, all she saw was the "airbus" in the title.
She also showed me the photo of the prototype A400M with the various flags of air forces that have ordered it, apparently believing that the Airbus Military Division is the private Air Force.
My job as an Airbus A330 pilot made me a suspect as well. We argued about this for quite some time privately and I still don't think she has changed her mind.
She will never debate anyone here one on one because of this lack of knowledge, and it makes her vulnerable to being defrauded. The RHIC reference and the insistence on remaining anonymous are stark red flags that would have any reasonable person cautious.
I say let her get on with it. She has been warned. Let the chips fall where they may.
The fact that Peekay came out later and said he had no intention of debating, but had only intended to attack, speaks volumes. Madison stood by, having asked for politeness, and never said a word about his opening statement being so utterly impolite. This whole thing would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and sad and potentially harmful.
Not only that, but she has since been cheering peekay on about it:
Anyone objectively listening to that broadcast, probably very few I admit, would be forming opinions on the entire community of chemtrail believers based upon Kusznir and his rants.
The man cannot string two words together without an epithet. He constantly mispronounced words, was undone by his own videos as far as weekend spraying is concerned, has no technical knowledge and admitted to drug use. At least we know where the paranoia comes from.
What a poster boy for the movement!
Bringing 9/11 into it and intentionally misrepresenting my answer to a question didn't help either.
Madison has disappointed me greatly with her actions. I'll have nothing further to do with her. She is wasting her life.
If John Massaria needs help getting an audio file online, probably you could host it here, Mick.
I see he has uploaded 10 videos so far this week, why can't he upload the debate?
Something about this is starting to smell fishy.....
I'll try this, a message to Massaria:
(actually, I tried to send that....and could not. I subscribed to his channel, and could not even send a message.....maybe because I recently subscribed to his channel ??)
Though I clicked "send", I don't find it in my "sent" box either.
So, I take it that you didn't make your own recording?
I made a backup recording, which I was going to delete after Massaria posted his recording online. So when I found out he'd been infected with "a few viruses and possibly what someone called a root kit security breach" and had to delete the audio, then I sent him my backup copy.
We agreed he would release the audio, and it would then be public domain. So I was waiting for him to do this.
Let me suggest, ehm, Linux.
Yeah, I don't think that's the problem. This delay on releasing it makes it look like he never wanted to release it in the first place, and so made the story about the virus. That's the perception his actions give. I'd be happy to be proven wrong by him just releasing the audio.
Hey, let's not be conspiracy theorists here.
Ohhh.... HE told you to delete your audio file? Curiouser and curiouser.....
I didn't read it like that, but as it would have been deleted after Massaria released his recording (and it being identical).
No, he asked me not to record it, but I was concerned that something like this might happen, so I made a backup copy, intending to delete it as soon as he released his copy. And yes, it would be the exact same thing as his copy that he claimed he was going to release into the public domain.
It's not as if people were unaware they were being recorded. At the start Massaria says
I don't want to post it yet, as I'd prefer Massaria to release it.
Oh. I guess I was confused. You DO have a copy still? If so.. EGG-cellent!
Now that Massaria has a good copy and knows it is backed up, he can't use the excuse he came up with at first.
There really is only one reason I can think of that he doesn't want anyone to hear it.
I think I'll just type up the transcript. I hate long blocks of audio anyway. Text is so much nicer. It's 70 minutes long, should be about 10,000 words.
I think you should release it as actual audio. Then nobody can claim you altered anything when transcribing.
I'd like a transcript anyway. If they claim the transcript is wrong, then I can just release the audio. The transcript can be corrected by them. It would then provide a mutually agreed upon record of what was said (which is not always clear in the audio due to connection problem).
Why not both?
Perhaps a 2nd set of eyes/ears to proof the transcript...
Initial (5:30 out of 70:00)
Lyrics to a pop song?
There's occasioanl repition in there. I've taken some out, but don't want to stray too far from the original
The Mauna Loa readings are truer measurements of what is happening in our atmosphere than almost any other we can take, as Hawaii is based about as far away from the earth's industrial centers as can be achieved.
We should attach special weight to them as being measurements of the state of the whole earth's atmosphere. They show a regular exponential rise in CO2, and a regular annual oscillation of insolation with no increase of particulates, while clearly indicating volcanic eruptions. This leaves no room for present-day geo-engineering to exist. If it did - it would show at Mauna Loa.
It is obvious that you didn't stress this firmly enough. Just sayin'.
This is interesting. Once you get into the flow of the "reading" format....it works quite well.
Because when reading, it eliminates verbal inflections and attitude. This may be a benefit, or a detriment....at certain points in the discussion.
There was not too much attitude in the whole thing. I was a bit exasperated at times, and John got a bit plaintive, Dane was pretty steady, almost intense. But mostly plain speaking.
I'm about 27 minutes in now. It's actually a good way of making sure I understood exactly what was said.
VERY ROUGH TRANSCRIPT:
Good suggestion about the video. I wonder why any of their data is never presented in the form of an academic paper. It would certainly take any confusion out of debate.
I found a site that has an article on atmospheric oxygen & someone who has been monitoring it from 1990 - until 2008 they suggest that the % has decreased by 0.0317%, and it suggests that this is potentially due to the depletion of oceanic phytoplankton:
This happens again and again by the Chemtrails-believers...
They just doesn´t read a title, a disclimer or something simular
This document is named:
... a recommended National Program for Weather-Modification.
... and did anything like that happened after this?! The answer is: No!
I don't think it's quite a fair discussion. They seem to be driving it and are familiar with the details of whatever paper or sub topic they bring up.
I also am amused with the theory that if a word exists (chemtrails) then that mean geoengineering is taking place in the form of thousands of planes spraying [something or other] every day.
I like it where he tells Mick what he isn't allowed to say about the matter: "...and don't say that the guy was a UFO guy or whatever."
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